What do they have in common?

surferboy · 11-13-2008

wait...why wouldn't he have been prosecuted based on his hiv status?

D_Fiona_Farvel · 11-13-2008

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Originally Posted by surferboy

wait...why wouldn't he have been prosecuted based on his hiv status?

It turned out he was dying, which, I guess, was the reason he was so cavalier about breaking the law. :(

Eta: This was early on, like right before or after prop 215 passed.

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Originally Posted by lucky8

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B_VinylBoy · 11-13-2008

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Originally Posted by mindseye

What personal experience do these people share? (I've alphabetized the names, so the order they appear has no other meaning.)

Michael Bloomberg, mayor of New York
William F. Buckley, political commentator
Bill Clinton, former president of the United States
Norm Coleman, Senator from Minnesota
Alistair Darling, Chancellor of the Exchequer (UK)
Harriet Harman, Leader of the House of Commons (UK)
Josh Howard, forward for the Dallas Mavericks
Shia LaBeouf, actor
Paul McCartney, musician
Barack Obama, president-elect
Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska
Carl Sagan, astronomer
Arnold Schwarzeneggar, governor of California
Aaron Sorkin, Emmy-winning screenwriter and producer
Clarence Thomas, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court

Marijuana use? That's all?
For a second I thought UPN was hosting a casting call for the revival of "Hee Haw".

Qua · 11-13-2008

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Originally Posted by mindseye

"Those with addictive tendencies" also get hooked on things like gambling, texting, porn, Home Shopping Network, goth makeup, and botox. That's a trait of the person, and not of the substance.

True. Marijuana "addiction" is simply one of the more common and most easily detrimental to a person's life. I know a LOT of people who are "addicted" in the sense that they experience very unpleasant mood without it.

I guess that's why I qualified it as a psychological addiction; addiction to the effects, not the substance. And the effects are quite appealing and enticing, in my experience. However, chronic use has been shown to alter brain chemistry, which would suggest a physical link as well and perhaps explain the moodiness. I liken it to a caffeine addiction (in severity and in practice, not necessarily process).

Really it needs more research done to fully eliminate all gray areas about addiction, withdrawl and physical/psychological effects of use. And that ultimately supports my belief that it should NOT be Schedule I

curious n str8 · 11-13-2008

I have a few friends who are addicted to pot and if they don't get it look out. They become stressed outed assholes. I also loved my weed back in the day. Now I have short term memory loss ohhh where was I? J/k I found that pot made me paranoid after while. Why is everyone looking at me now? lol Seriously though I am split down the middle on legalization. Marijuana can be a stepping stone to more harmful drugs. Which it was for me. I guess it should be regulated like alcohol is. Ater all it has been the cause of a few major accidents here in the US.

HazelGod · 11-13-2008

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Originally Posted by sinwin

Marijuana usage?

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Originally Posted by mindseye

Sinwin got it. All of them admit they've used marijuana (in a jurisdiction where it was illegal to do so).

That was my guess as well...oddly, it was Shia's name that tipped me off. Seems like I saw a recent headline where he got busted and it triggered my schizophrenic responses of "serves the retard right" and "stupid drug laws."

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Originally Posted by mindseye

Should marijuana remain a Schedule I drug?

The continued Schedule I classification of marijuana is one of those facts of US policy that most intelligent people agree to be an archaic holdover from an ignorant era, whilst conceding that fighting the entrenched establishment to undo that stupidity isn't likely a battle worth waging.

Personally, I feel you should be able to smoke as much as you want, cultivate your own plants, and sell your buds to any consenting adult of your choosing...the same way small and independent farmers do at local markets with any other produce they grow. In a similar vein, I also think it's asinine that I can legally buy all the booze I want and drink myself into a blind stupor, but I'm prohibited from distilling my own hooch.

tripod · 11-13-2008

I smoke weed like a chimney and have been doing so since I was 12 years old. I've been smoking weed for 23 years... I have a few misdemeanors on my record as a result of doing a little dealing when I was 19 or 20. I primarily use it to control my temper, depression and diabetes. I agree with the Rastafarians that marijuana helps one commune with God.

ManlyBanisters · 11-13-2008

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Originally Posted by mindseye

Sinwin got it. All of them admit they've used marijuana (in a jurisdiction where it was illegal to do so). When Obama is sworn in in January, he'll be the third consecutive president to have used marijuana.

Should marijuana remain a Schedule I drug?

No.

Look at the Netherlands - marijuana sales and production (for sale) are tightly (yet reasonably) controlled, the goverment makes a tidy buck and far, far, FAR from everyone in the country is a spaced out stoner.

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Originally Posted by njqt466

[/b][/color][/size][/font]Yes, it should. I've heard all the arguments for legalizing marijuana.

You've heard them all and you disagree why exactly? Help us out with the thought process here, we are not mind readers.

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Originally Posted by Qua

Absolutely not. It's ludicrous that alcohol, one of the most toxic substances consumed, can get grandfathered in due to public acceptance while marijuana can be blacklisted, even so far as to make legitimate research on the plant near impossible.

A-fucking-men. I have seen way more people and families fucked over by alcohol than I have seen fucked over by THC products. If pot stays illegal then alcohol should be tightened way the fuck up on.

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Originally Posted by Qua

True. Marijuana "addiction" is simply one of the more common and most easily detrimental to a person's life. I know a LOT of people who are "addicted" in the sense that they experience very unpleasant mood without it.

I guess that's why I qualified it as a psychological addiction; addiction to the effects, not the substance. And the effects are quite appealing and enticing, in my experience. However, chronic use has been shown to alter brain chemistry, which would suggest a physical link as well and perhaps explain the moodiness. I liken it to a caffeine addiction (in severity and in practice, not necessarily process).

Really it needs more research done to fully eliminate all gray areas about addiction, withdrawl and physical/psychological effects of use. And that ultimately supports my belief that it should NOT be Schedule I

QFT. Saying that THC products are 'not addictive' is inaccurate. Going back to alcohol, alcohol is far more physiologically addictive than any THC product - so either both should be Schedule I or neither.

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Originally Posted by HazelGod

Personally, I feel you should be able to smoke as much as you want, cultivate your own plants, and sell your buds to any consenting adult of your choosing...the same way small and independent farmers do at local markets with any other produce they grow. In a similar vein, I also think it's asinine that I can legally buy all the booze I want and drink myself into a blind stupor, but I'm prohibited from distilling my own hooch.

You can brew your own beer and make your own wine though. Here in France the laws on 'eau de vie' production and sale have recently undergone a makeover that I believe is a good thing, if you are going to have regulation at all, that is.

Taking HG's assertations a step further I will say, as a true liberal, I'm in favour of legalising everything. Half the problems (if not more) associated with illegal drugs are due to the fact that they are illegal - if you let people do whatever the fuck they like you will of course have casualties but, realistically, would it be any more (proportionally) than we already have in terms other dangerous, but legal, activities?

surferboy · 11-13-2008

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It turned out he was dying, which, I guess, was the reason he was so cavalier about breaking the law. :(

that's fucked up. the justice system in this country makes no sense most of the time. now, i'm all for the legalization of pot and all, but that sets a dangerous precedent in the legal system.

what i'm getting from that case is that, if you're dying, then you can break the law and not get prosecuted! let's let peoples with cancer go on killing sprees! hey, they're dying, we shouldn't prosecute them, they're gonna die anyways!

EDIT: just a little aside...

ever notice how when you learn a new word or phrase, yah? you end up hearing it a lot? my professor said my intro and conclusion to my cancer speech (the speech outline is in my blog peoples! scope it out and comment!) was "cavalier and flippant," two words i've never heard before. and now that i've since looked them up (i went right to the library for look them up after my class haha) i keep seeing and hearing the everywhere! it's a weird phenomenon, yah?

curious n str8 · 11-13-2008

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Originally Posted by tripod

I smoke weed like a chimney and have been doing so since I was 12 years old. I've been smoking weed for 23 years... I have a few misdemeanors on my record as a result of doing a little dealing when I was 19 or 20. I primarily use it to control my temper, depression and diabetes. I agree with the Rastafarians that marijuana helps one commune with God.

Tripod how does it help with Diabeties? Anyone ever notice how heavy smokers(weed) are usally on the slim side?

ManlyBanisters · 11-13-2008

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Originally Posted by curious n str8

Tripod how does it help with Diabeties? Anyone ever notice how heavy smokers(weed) are usally on the slim side?

You have obviously never been so stoned that you cannot be arsed walking to the fridge even though you have the munchies

curious n str8 · 11-13-2008

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Originally Posted by ManlyBanisters

You have obviously never been so stoned that you cannot be arsed walking to the fridge even though you have the munchies

I have been that and then some. And I have smoked de-kine from Hawaii all the golds kona, maui etc....some laced with angel dust opeim well you get the point

surferboy · 11-13-2008

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Originally Posted by curious n str8

I have been that and then some. And I have smoked de-kine from Hawaii all the golds kona, maui etc....some laced with angel dust opeim well you get the point

the phrase is "da kine" brah, but i still love you.

the pidgin word for pot is pakalolo, just for let peoples know

also, you are a braver person than i am. i'm too chicken shit for try anything harder than pot

Biggin' · 11-13-2008

go to washingtons historical farm home. its still all historicly correct...except, for, the pot farm.

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mista geechee · 11-13-2008

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Originally Posted by njqt466

[/b][/color][/size][/font]Yes, it should. I've heard all the arguments for legalizing marijuana.

Then shouldn't booze be in teh same boat ? They cause way more damage.Why do you think the ganja should be schedule 1?