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Originally Posted by Ericsson1228d LPSG truly is a representative microcosm of our society. Ask around, increasing numbers of people are expressing the sentiment that "Obama Sucks." Of whose society? America's? Your's? I don't go around

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Old 12-16-2009   #31 (permalink)
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LPSG truly is a representative microcosm of our society.

Ask around, increasing numbers of people are expressing the sentiment that "Obama Sucks."
Of whose society? America's? Your's?

I don't go around discussing large cocks with the average person. I find that the average person in MY society thinks that Obama is trying his best to deal with a bunch of partial, emotional, immature political dissenters in the House who trying to bring Obama down at the expense of America. Shame.
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Old 12-16-2009   #32 (permalink)
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...but I can choose a different death panel (i.e. insurance provider).
The problem there is that if you change 'death panels,' everything you have when you make the change is a 'preexisting condition' that they don't have to pay to treat. After one company says, "We're not covering that," then 'that' is something that NO company will cover, even if they normally would, because you walked in the door with 'that' hanging over your head.

Sometimes you don't even get the choice. If you have employer-provided insurance, and they change providers, then you are forced to change companies, (well, you could simply refuse to go with employer-provided insurance, but that's an even less appealing option) and everything you were getting money to treat under the old plan is now your problem and yours alone. It's even dangerous to get a physical check-up before a policy review, in case you're discovered to have something show up before the new policy kicks in; once it's known, it's pre-existing.
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Old 12-16-2009   #33 (permalink)
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LPSG truly is a representative microcosm of our society.

Ask around, increasing numbers of people are expressing the sentiment that "Obama Sucks."
i never said he suks, he's on academic probation, he can still pull it out next semester, but he's gotta apply himself.

Et in Arcadia Ego
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Old 12-16-2009   #34 (permalink)
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Mentioning "death panels" is a clever way to exploit this fear in order to further the anti-social-healthcare agenda.
The Right LOVES getting fucked by rich companies. All day and all night orgasms. But when they 'think' government is fucking them they don't like it. I just can't figure it out. Even as we sit with the biggest financial debacle since the Great Depression every single Republican and 22 Democrats voted against any kind of reform. They simply want to get fucked some more.

"The world’s a jungle. You want my advice, Anthony? Don't expect happiness. You won’t get it. People let you down…in the end, you die in your own arms."
– Livia Soprano
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Old 12-16-2009   #35 (permalink)
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For the record, I never said he sucks either. He's just performing very disappointingly. And it's not just that he appears to lack the requisite skills for the job (although he might grow into the position) but he promised no Clinton style triangulation and it seems that's actually what we are getting. If he's going to flounder for a while, he should at least do so while going for gold.
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I don't go around discussing large cocks with the average person. I find that the average person in MY society thinks that Obama is trying his best to deal with a bunch of partial, emotional, immature political dissenters in the House who trying to bring Obama down at the expense of America. Shame.
That's my view.
I like Obama, I think he has vision, and what he wants to achieve would be good for America.

On the other hand, I more and more get the sense that the man can't get no traction.
The president has to be able to provide vision, sure ... but he also has to be able to use a big stick when necessary.

Lyndon Johnson was a damn effective president because he could cajole people brilliantly, but could also scare the bejesus out of scarable politicos.
(It helped that he had been majority leader in the Senate and knew all the levers better than anyone in Washington.)
Obama? He just glows a lot and looks like a very nice man.

Top marks there for compassion.
But as a leader, you've gotta balance compassion with spine.
I'm not sure that he knows that, nor that he can do it.
And I wonder if it won't very shortly be too late to rewrite this script.

All this expresses my fears and not my hopes.
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Old 12-16-2009   #37 (permalink)
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Of whose society? America's? Your's?
I find that the average person in MY society thinks that Obama is trying his best ...
What flavor is the Jello at the asylum today?

I haven't seen any reports of the opinion of Obama increasing in any demographic.


Though I do enjoy how Obama is now setting things up to blame our country's economic downfall on the lack of Healthcare reform! Does he really think anyone will buy that? Time to dig out the Global Warming TinFoil Hat crowd to cook these books!

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The Right LOVES getting fucked by rich companies. All day and all night orgasms. But when they 'think' government is fucking them they don't like it. I just can't figure it out.
Ironically there is a French psychologist cum advertising guru, who's name I cannot recall at present, who had one of the best explanations for this continual and uniquely American distrust of our own duly elected government. He called it not killing the King. The idea is that because the Colonists never killed the King, only expelling him, they never assumed the collective mantle of authority. I think there is some truth to his theory, which I am only doing scant justice to with my truncated version.

The endless focus on end of life care (death panels) is really a red herring. The primary issue for most Americans is that they are out of shape, and require assistance getting back into, and maintaining some form of physical fitness/proper diet.

I could go on about how the food industry has ruined the health of modern American, but won't as there are many books, two good ones by Michael Pollan, already on this super sized subject.

Basic physical fitness standards should be the starting point of the health care discussion in America. Once the NIH, or the President's Council on Physical Fitness (anyone else remember them?) re-establish strict guidelines for physical fitness, which is a really inexpensive first step, then hopefully an intelligent discussion about removing health care/insurance from employment can begin. Followed by determining a system for independent assessment of risk profiles for individuals, and groups, subsidies for those who cannot afford mandatory insurance (which can substitute for, or negate the need for a public option...), and finally trying to answer difficult questions regarding efficacy of end of life care, which covers the shortest percentage of most people's lives, but is the most expensive, and therefore skews the cost basis for the entire system.

Unfortunately, as well intentioned as the proponents of the current health care bill might be, they reform very little about the current system, which everyone agrees is broken. Even Howard Dean, hardly a right wing meshuga, came out against it, on Vermont Public Radio, today.

"This is essentially the collapse of health care reform in the United States Senate. And, honestly, the best thing to do right now is kill the Senate bill and go back to the House … You have the vast majority of Americans want the choices, they want real choices. They don’t have them in this bill. This is not health care reform and it’s not close to health care reform."
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Of whose society? America's? Your's?
I find that the average person in MY society thinks that Obama is trying his best ...
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What flavor is the Jello at the asylum today?
I haven't seen any reports of the opinion of Obama increasing in any demographic.
I don't know what you mean by "opinion increasing," but maybe you were referring to something like improvement of his approval rating.
But you seem to be responding to rex.
And he makes no mention of any improvement of approval rating.

???
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I'm quite seriously starting to see a strong direct correlation between insanity and anti-Obama sentiment.

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I'm quite seriously starting to see a strong direct correlation between insanity and anti-Obama sentiment.
I thought anti-Obama sentiment was racism? Or is it insanity now? I forget, but let's be clear, anti-Obama sentiment could not possibly be because some people can see how ineffective of a leader he is, and how he has broken many of his campaign promises already. Just wait for that middle-class tax hike!
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LPSG truly is a representative microcosm of our society.
Seems as if your society and mine are two completely different factions of life that will never intertwine and that leaves me heartbroken. Really, it does.

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Ask around, increasing numbers of people are expressing the sentiment that "Obama Sucks."
We know why you think he "sucks". However, my gripes with the current administration are not aligned with yours so you can put away the tea bags. How desperate of a life must you lead in order to seek comfort, companionship & mental stability in an overly-generalized statement? You somehow feel vindicated because you're now part of a so-called army that doesn't approve of everything our President does? Perhaps if you stopped looking at the issues in binary, you'd see that even his biggest supporters have had criticisms about the current administration as well. INCLUDING ME. But I guess you were too busy thinking that anyone who saw anything positive in Obama had to be a "blind liberal"?

You're such a transparent joke, Skippy. Try using your distorted half truthful speech on someone else who's dumb enough to fall for it.

Seriously... fuck it all.

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Old 12-16-2009   #43 (permalink)
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How can you seriously judge Obama at this point Ericsson? He's not even a year into his Presidency after taking the reins of possibly the most convoluted situation any President has ever inherited. It's hardly necessary to point out that you have every right to express your opinion but you do have an obvious agenda.
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I'm quite seriously starting to see a strong direct correlation between insanity and anti-Obama sentiment.
Aside from the followers of Glenn Beck and Orly Taitz, what evidence do you have of this correlation? Or is that whom you are talking about?
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How can you seriously judge Obama at this point Ericsson? He's not even a year into his Presidency after taking the reins of possibly the most convoluted situation any President has ever inherited. It's hardly necessary to point out that you have every right to express your opinion but you do have an obvious agenda.
A person that only sees "left & right" like Ericsson picks a side and then continues jabbing until he feels his side has won. He's more of a tool of the rhetoric than anyone who voted for Obama in 2008.

Seriously... fuck it all.
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