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Old 02-24-2010   #1 (permalink)
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Illegal Immigrants allowed to stay???

Rally demands 500,000 illegal immigrants be allowed to stay| News | This is London

Half a million illegal immigrants should be allowed to stay in Britain under an "earned amnesty", it has been suggested
The call was made at a rally in London attended by Labour MPs, church leaders and trade union bosses.
They believe anyone who has been living here illegally for four years such as failed asylum seekers and visa overstayers should be given a two-year work permit.
After that time they would be legally allowed to stay, provided they passed an English language test, had a job and no criminal record.
Later, they could apply for citizenship-The Home Office has no firm figures on the number of illegal immigrants in the UK, but estimates range from 450,000 up to 870,000.
This is like a reward for not being caught. Am i the only one outraged by this? and to be given a two year work permit too?, what are these people thinking?

Opinions please?
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Old 02-24-2010   #2 (permalink)
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Maybe Switzerland and Austria can take them. They're very welcoming of immigrants (Scandinavian countries as well).

Why is always the US, Canada, Britain, Germany, etc who have to deal with immigration issues, and other industrialized countries just sit back and judge, or show nonchalence.

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Old 02-24-2010   #3 (permalink)
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Rally demands 500,000 illegal immigrants be allowed to stay| News | This is London

Half a million illegal immigrants should be allowed to stay in Britain under an "earned amnesty", it has been suggested
The call was made at a rally in London attended by Labour MPs, church leaders and trade union bosses.
They believe anyone who has been living here illegally for four years such as failed asylum seekers and visa overstayers should be given a two-year work permit.
After that time they would be legally allowed to stay, provided they passed an English language test, had a job and no criminal record.
Later, they could apply for citizenship-The Home Office has no firm figures on the number of illegal immigrants in the UK, but estimates range from 450,000 up to 870,000.
This is like a reward for not being caught. Am i the only one outraged by this? and to be given a two year work permit too?, what are these people thinking?

Opinions please?
It may seem outlandish or outrageous at first but stop and think about it. These men and women have been there, many getting jobs and not paying taxes which means the citizens have to pay taxes and lose out on jobs which go to these men and women because the people who hire them are happy not to have to pay as high a wage or get cauught in the annoyance of tax documents.

Thei idea of a two year work permit followed by testing, employment and criminal background will probably force some out. For those who meet the requuirements, they can become vital and openly active members of the community.

The US has done a few group amnestys a notable was the 1986 Immigration and Reform Control Act where more than two and a half million were offered the chance.

Currently there are those pushing for another amnesty which would be aimed at upwards of ten miillion, possibly as many as 20 milliion: US Immigration Amnesty {Google search for more links}

The benefits of amnesty are many, including that as soon as the application process starts they can become tax payers. They can contribute openly to the community instead of hiding to avoid the law and being sent back to whereever which in some cases might be as the same as killing them.
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Old 02-25-2010   #4 (permalink)
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Short term it is good, but long term it causes more problems than it solves. If you give out amnesties once then illegals will come in larger and larger numbers expecting to stay till a future amnesty gives them their landed immigrant status. It is a matter of being cruel to be kind or being kind to be cruel.
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Old 02-25-2010   #5 (permalink)
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I've got a great idea. The UK should build a 25 foot double fence completely around the British Isles hiring mostly illegal immigrants to construct it. After all, this "brilliant" plan has worked so well in the USA.

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Old 02-25-2010   #6 (permalink)
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We need real guest workers programs that are equitable for the workers and the hosting country.

The Islamization of Europe and the latinization of N. America have been a net negative.


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Old 02-25-2010   #7 (permalink)
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We need real guest workers programs that are equitable for the workers and the hosting country.

The Islamization of Europe and the latinization of N. America have been a net negative.
Yeah, all those contractors building slews of new homes really suffered from hiring illegal construction workers from Mexico and Central America before the US economy tanked. All that money they saved by cutting corners because they didn't have to pay a fair and equitable hourly wage to all the illegals. Such a pity. I feel sooooooo sorry for them. Makes me almost want to cry.

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Yeah, all those contractors building slews of new homes really suffered from hiring illegal construction workers from Mexico and Central America before the US economy tanked. All that money they saved by cutting corners because they didn't have to pay a fair and equitable hourly wage to all the illegals. Such a pity. I feel sooooooo sorry for them. Makes me almost want to cry.
Re-post:We need real guest workers programs that are equitable for the workers and the hosting country.

Really can't hear, can you?

You do realize I'm talking about the cultural effects?


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Old 02-25-2010   #9 (permalink)
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Re-post:We need real guest workers programs that are equitable for the workers and the hosting country.

Really can't hear, can you?

You do realize I'm talking about the cultural effects?
Sorry, I was washing my hair. I'll take it all back. Honest. As long as you realize I'm not a sponge on the Spanish health care system. Deal?

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Sorry, I was washing my hair. I'll take it all back. Honest. As long as you realize I'm not a sponge on the Spanish health care system. Deal?
Didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Deal.


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Old 02-25-2010   #11 (permalink)
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I've got a great idea. The UK should build a 25 foot double fence completely around the British Isles hiring mostly illegal immigrants to construct it. After all, this "brilliant" plan has worked so well in the USA.
Nah, we built a moat all around the country. Worked fine iuntil they invented aeroplanes and dug a tunnell...
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Old 02-25-2010   #12 (permalink)
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It may seem outlandish or outrageous at first but stop and think about it. These men and women have been there, many getting jobs and not paying taxes which means the citizens have to pay taxes and lose out on jobs which go to these men and women because the people who hire them are happy not to have to pay as high a wage or get cauught in the annoyance of tax documents.
Which means to say we ought to fix the tax inspections system so they cant get work without the correct papers. If theyre taking black market jobs they still arent going to pay tax even if they are entitled to be here.

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Thei idea of a two year work permit followed by testing, employment and criminal background will probably force some out. For those who meet the requirements, they can become vital and openly active members of the community.
People have argued that immigrants benefit the economy but the truth is they are pretty much neutral. They dont earn much even if you tax them. They have to live somewhere, eat, use resources, maybe even have a family here going to school using health and school services. If not, they send the money back home wherever they came from and it leaves the british economy.

See that documentary last night about immigrant workers? It made a couple of points. One was, 'if we didnt have cheap immigrant labour we would have to buy machines to do the work they do'. So not losing any UK jobs there, but also the immigrants are not essential. We might be better off getting some machines and hiring a british engineer to look after it. Then there were a couple of british guys who they said actually applied for the jobs normally done by immigrants which they had tried out in the program, but were told there were no vacancies.

The main point they made was that there were just about the same number of unemployed in the town as immigrant labourers. Several of the Brits who tried doing their jobs were terrible at it, but they only got three days trial. By the end they were getting better. One of the farmers made a telling point, which was afterwards put to a politician on newsnight, that unemployment regulations meant it was impossible for someone to just work a few weeks casual without getting a lot of hassle from the unemployment people. Just easier not to do it. The politician ducked answering why this was.

I think the guys they persuaded to appear on TV trying out immigrant jobs were pretty brave. You cant help wondering if the best of them decided the last thing they wanted to do was appear on national TV being unemployed and humiliated because they didnt know what they were supposed to be doing which all these immigrants were doing effortlessly.

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The US has done a few group amnestys a notable was the 1986 Immigration and Reform Control Act where more than two and a half million were offered the chance.
Someone said, if you give an amnesty it just encourages more to come.

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being sent back to whereever which in some cases might be as the same as killing them.
which is a question of allowing them to stay because they are being persecuted back home, which we do already.

On the whole the Uk population does not like immigration. Any politician who says otherwise is not telling the truth. Why do they think extreme right wing parties are becoming popular? It is not because the country is rabidly right wing. Even moderates who really dont mind what colour their neighbours are think we dont want more immigrants of any sort. Mainstream politicians are ignoring the will of the people over this.
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Yeah, all those contractors building slews of new homes really suffered from hiring illegal construction workers from Mexico and Central America before the US economy tanked. All that money they saved by cutting corners because they didn't have to pay a fair and equitable hourly wage to all the illegals. Such a pity. I feel sooooooo sorry for them. Makes me almost want to cry.

Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal
Something to consider even if you don't live in California

Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal

Here is an example of why hiring illegal aliens is not economically
productive for the State of California ...

You have 2 families..."Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal". Both families have 2
parents, 2 children and live in California. "Joe Legal" works in
construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour with
payroll taxes deducted...."Jose Illegal" also works in construction, has
"NO" Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

Joe Legal...$25.00 per hour x 40 hours $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per
year.

Now take 30% away for state federal tax, Joe Legal now has $31,231.00

Jose Illegal...$15.00 per hour x 40 hours $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per
year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes... Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00

Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage $1000.00
per month, $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $19,231.00

Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and
local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

Joe Legal makes too much money is not eligible for Food Stamps or welfare.
Joe Legal pays for food $1,000.00 per month, $12,000.00 per year. Joe
Legal now has $7,231.00

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for Food Stamps and
Welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,000.00 per month. $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal
is now in the hole minus (-) $4,769.00

Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal
pays rent. $500.00 per month. $6,000.00 per year Jose Illegal still has
$31,200.00

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after
work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe
Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a
government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have an after school
ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services,
but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

Don't vote/support any politician that supports illegal aliens...Its PAST
time to take a stand for America and Americans!
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Old 02-25-2010   #14 (permalink)
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Interesting, another white 'Mericuhn male in his 30s. I see your lips (figuratively) flapping, but if the Joe versus Joe analysis were a Detroit-designed engine, its pistons would misfire so bad you'd never get the automobile to start. Anyone else understand the irony in this observation besides me? Anyone?

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Old 02-25-2010   #15 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by spiker067 View Post
Re-post:We need real guest workers programs that are equitable for the workers and the hosting country.

Really can't hear, can you?

You do realize I'm talking about the cultural effects?
Please expound on these "negative" cultural effects.

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