Americans now favor Obamacare 50-35% !!!!

the Kaiser foundation/washington post poll now says public opinion has shifted in favor of the Obama health care plan, as i predicted it would. Americans are finally realizing that all the noise from the tea party and the right wing and the health care industry was a big fat lie. Once again, the Obama message is resonating with the American people. Not even Fox news can defeat it.

God bless our courageous president who not only speaks well but takes appropriate action despite corporate liars and their selfish whores in congress and the media.

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A link for you: Americans view Democrats’ signature health reform bill more positively now than at any point since it was signed into law, a new poll found Thursday. 50 percent of the public say they view the new healthcare law favorably, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation poll that has been tracking public opinion about the legislation since it became law. 35 percent of adults said they view the law unfavorably, while 14 percent had no opinion. The July numbers mark the strongest support for reform since it reached a low in May, when the Kaiser poll found the public opposed the law 44-41 percent. Support for health reform reaches high in Kaiser poll - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room
http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/8084.cfm

Presidents place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible.

This is exactly what the opponents feared. They know government programs for the people once implemented are difficult if not impossible to dismantle. So it's very very important to squash them before they start.

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Why the switch? Is it just that people are starting to get what it means, or is there more to it? I will say this. Not seeing bloody red hands and get off my Medicare and Obama's a witch doctor signs every day have made me more of a happy camper; that's for sure.

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I still hate the mandatory insurance, that part is pure BS shoehorned in by the insurance industry. I'm praying it gets removed but somehow I doubt it.

It has not done anything yet. what is the big stink over it one way or the other?

I think Obama is going to keep moving till his term is up.
And peeps will be surprised at all the major legislation he will have had passed by then.
And he'll be re-elected comfortably.
There's something about him that 's hard to connect with. Too much gloss. Too little real sense of visceral passion.
But this is just an unfortunate matter of personal style and vibration.
He's a formidable leader, and he will take the U.S. very far down certain paths.
And history's eye will view him very favorably ... as will, short term, the electorate in 2012.

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And along the same line I believe this legislation has been filed:
Facing Steep Odds, 128 House Democrats Revive the Public Option
Democrats Aim to Galvanize Progressives and Cut Budget Deficit

"Armed with a new line of attack aimed at soothing deficit fears, Democratic Reps. Lynn Woolsey (Calif.), Jan Schakowsky (Ill.) and Pete Stark (Calif.) last Thursday unveiled a bill that would offer consumers the choice of a “robust” government-run insurance plan alongside the private plans in the law’s exchanges. The Congressional Budget Office projects that the bill, which has gained 128 co-sponsors, will reduce the federal deficit by $68 billion between 2014 and 2020. "

Facing Steep Odds, 128 House Democrats Revive the Public Option

Presidents place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible.

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Maybe this will help you guys better understand what's going on:

President Obama Explains Healthcare.Gov | The White House

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I saw that, I'm hoping it passes. It needs to.

Without it being a mandatory requirement then you run the risk of only the sick seeking coverage which then of course drives up the cost of insurance for all which then means more people may elect to not get coverage then before you know it you're in a death spiral.

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I live in a state where it's already mandatory, and it didn't lower costs one bit. In fact they've risen just the same. Without a true public option or really low cost, comprehensive plan all this does is give insurance companies a huge guaranteed customer base, or more money for the government.

Mandated Health Insurance Squeezes Those in the Middle - WSJ.com

Three years after Massachusetts's ambitious universal-coverage law went into effect, two-thirds of its previously 600,000 uninsured residents have coverage, according to state data. It has the lowest rate of uninsured in the country -- about 3% according to a state survey, compared with 15% nationwide. But the remainder -- many younger, male and fairly healthy -- has proved tougher to cover.

Costs to expand insurance coverage in the state are growing rapidly because of higher-than-expected enrollment in free and state-subsidized plans, and rising health-care costs. Critics say the Obama plan could face similar problems, contending it doesn't do enough to control costs."

So the "Public Option" is starting to reemerge, eh?
Can't say that I'm surprised. Many naysayers on HCL back when it passed thought that there wouldn't be any motions to revise or add more to the bill as we went forward. Perhaps this is proof that the game is far from over. Getting the bill as it was signed was a step forward and this could be step number two.

Let's just hope sensible people who want health care reform remember this during the midterms and in 2012.

Seriously... fuck it all.

I do apologize but anything from the WSJ is just not something I can seriously consider.

I stopped reading them once I put together all the anti-Obama articles they ran. I finally stopped.

08/26/08 WSJ The Racism Excuse
08/26/08 WSJ Hillary's Missed Moment
08/25/08 WSJ The Democrats Field a Liberal Dream Team
08/25/08 WSJ Obama's Cheney
08/25/08 WSJ Say, It's Joe. So?
08/22/08 WSJ Washington Is Quietly Repudiating Its Debts
08/21/08 WSJ Obama's Health-Care Tipoff
08/21/08 WSJ We Can't Tax Our Way Out of the Entitlement Crisis
08/20/08 WSJ McCain Is the Pro-Choice Candidate
08/20/08 WSJ Obama's Abortion Position?
08/20/08 WSJ White Fright
08/20/08 WSJ Democrats Move Left on Abortion
08/20/08 WSJ A Closer Look at Senator Obama's Tax Proposals
08/20/08 WSJ Democrats and Drilling
08/19/08 WSJ Obama's Tax Plan Is Really a Welfare Plan
08/18/08 WSJ Obama on Clarence Thomas
08/18/08 WSJ Why So Slack, Barack?
08/17/08 WSJ Darragh vs. the Obama Bots
08/17/08 WSJ The Clinton Coup
08/15/08 WSJ Obama's Abortion Controversy
08/14/08 WSJ Too Eloquent and Idealistic
08/14/08 WSJ The Obama Tax Plan
08/08/08 WSJ Barack and the Buck
08/07/08 WSJ Obama's Commodity Play
08/06/08 WSJ How Might Sen. Obama's Policies Change Economy?
08/04/08 WSJ Obama's Drill Bit
08/04/08 WSJ What Is a 'Windfall' Profit?
08/04/08 WSJ Obamanomics
08/02/08 WSJ Does Sen. Obama Transcend Old Paradigms of Race?
08/01/08 WSJ Robbing Peter to Pay Peter
08/01/08 WSJ Obama's Bad Turn
08/01/08 WSJ Pelosi's Energy Stonewall
08/01/08 WSJ Democrats Get Drilled
07/31/08 WSJ Jesus Christ, Superstar
07/31/08 WSJ Obama's Iraq Fumble
07/30/08 WSJ Barack Obama, Shaman
07/29/08 WSJ Obamanomics Is a Recipe for Recession
07/29/08 WSJ Obama Should Stand Up to Russia's Regime
07/29/08 WSJ The Berlin Obama Didn't See
07/29/08 WSJ The Obama Principle
07/25/08 WSJ Obama and the German Question
07/24/08 WSJ Obama's Experience Doesn't Match Up
07/22/08 WSJ Why Jesse Jackson Hates Obama
07/18/08 WSJ What Would Obama Die For?
07/18/08 WSJ Obama's 'Judgment'
07/17/08 WSJ Who Obama Should See in Iraq
07/14/08 WSJ Obama's Bear Market?
07/12/08 WSJ Obama's Liberal Shock Troops
07/12/08 WSJ Praising Himself
07/11/08 WSJ Obama Doesn't Have to Run as a Liberal
07/11/08 WSJ Obama The Blur
07/10/08 WSJ Obama Loses a Running Mate
07/10/08 WSJ Will Obama Let the Sunshine In?
07/09/08 WSJ Obama's Next Pivot?
07/08/08 WSJ The Department of Racial Development
07/08/08 WSJ Obama's Nixon Reprise
07/07/08 WSJ Obama: Equality Rather Than Growth
07/03/08 WSJ The Keepers of Clintonism
07/03/08 WSJ Obama Should Embrace His Muslim Heritage
07/03/08 WSJ Can Barack Buy the Presidency?
07/01/08 WSJ Dissecting Barack Obama's Social Security Proposals
07/01/08 WSJ Monsieur Obama's Tax Rates
06/30/08 WSJ Name Change We Can Believe In
06/30/08 WSJ Obama's Dry Hole
06/27/08 WSJ Monsieur Obama's Tax Rates
06/26/08 WSJ It's All About Obama
06/25/08 WSJ Obama's Social Security Fine Print
06/23/08 WSJ 'Did I Mention He's Black?'
06/21/08 WSJ Sen. Obama and Economics 101
06/20/08 WSJ Farewell, New Democrats
06/20/08 WSJ Hillary for Veep? Check Back Later
06/20/08 WSJ Obama Turns FDR Upside Down
06/19/08 WSJ Mrs. Obama and the Tuskegee Superstition
06/21/08 WSJ Sen. Obama and Economics 101
06/20/08 WSJ Farewell, New Democrats
06/20/08 WSJ Hillary for Veep? Check Back Later
06/20/08 WSJ Obama Turns FDR Upside Down
06/19/08 WSJ Barack of Arabia?
06/19/08 WSJ Mrs. Obama and the Tuskegee Superstition
06/19/08 WSJ Obama and McCain Spout Economic Nonsense
06/17/08 WSJ Why Iraqis Back McCain
06/12/08 WSJ Leaving Obama
05/30/08 WSJ The Obama Gaffe Machine
05/29/08 WSJ Obama's Revisionist History
05/23/08 WSJ The Obama Learning Curve
05/12/08 WSJ Obama and the Values Question Mark
05/08/08 WSJ It's Obama, Warts and All
05/05/08 WSJ Why Obama's Fans Seemed Scarce As Things Got Hot
05/02/08 WSJ Obama's Other Radical Friends
05/01/08 WSJ Wright Is Right
05/01/08 WSJ Pastor Millstone
05/01/08 WSJ Where Were Obama's Friends?
04/30/08 WSJ The Wright Side of the Brain
04/29/08 WSJ Yeah, Wright
04/24/08 WSJ Is Obama Ready for Prime Time?
04/23/08 WSJ Don't Call Me a Protectionist
04/23/08 WSJ Obama's Media Army
04/22/08 WSJ The Obama Quarantine
04/18/08 WSJ A 'Bitter' Misstep
04/18/08 WSJ Bad Night for Barack
04/18/08 WSJ Obama's Tax Evasion
04/15/08 WSJ Obama's Flaws Multiply
04/15/08 WSJ The Wright Stuff and Senator Obama
04/14/08 WSJ Are You Bitter Off?
04/09/08 WSJ Obama's Minister Problem
04/05/08 WSJ Obama's Capital Loss
03/27/08 WSJ Where Does Obama Invest His Money?
03/21/08 WSJ Democrats Are Still Weak on Security
03/20/08 WSJ Obama and the American Flag
03/13/08 WSJ Obama and the Race Card
03/04/08 WSJ Obama's Border Incident
03/03/08 WSJ Obama and Chicago Mores
02/27/08 WSJ Obama's 'Patriot' Act
02/27/08 WSJ Obama Inspires Many to Participate in Politics, but on His Terms
02/22/08 WSJ Obama's Cash Games
02/21/08 WSJ Obama's New Vulnerability
02/21/08 WSJ Obama's Teamster 'Diplomacy'
02/21/08 WSJ Obama and Race
02/18/08 WSJ Has Obama Crested?

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Regardless, the numbers say the costs went up more than ever with everyone on insurance. People can't afford insane premiums, so they get government help.

That's what will happen nationwide unless we get a real public option.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...yes_its_a_tax/

Whatever it’s called, it hasn’t transformed Massachusetts into an Eden of universal coverage. According to the Department of Revenue, nearly 200,000 state taxpayers remained uninsured at the beginning of 2008. And the individual mandate hasn’t made insurance in the Bay State more affordable: Massachusetts has the highest health insurance premiums in the nation.

Better?