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I don't think it has anything to do with politics, religion, or morality. I think it has to do with shifts in society in several ways. A few ideas: 1) Kids are are more spoiled

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Old 09-05-2011   #31 (permalink)
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I don't think it has anything to do with politics, religion, or morality. I think it has to do with shifts in society in several ways. A few ideas:

1) Kids are are more spoiled now. They expect more privacy, and whine if they don't get it.

2) Homosexuality isn't as taboo. Guys are more aware that other guys might be sexually attracted to them. Being naked around a bunch of strangers probably heightens this feeling and raises paranoia. I personally don't care if a gay guy checks out my naked body. He can look, he just cant touch. But a lot of younger guys get more freaked out because they're insecure.

3) Young guys don't have as many strong male role models any more. A lot of guys my age and younger grew up or are growing up in a single mom household. I don't want to make any extreme stereotypes; but generally speaking, moms are going to teach their sons to be more private and reserved than their dads would. In my early teens, I had a friend who was being raised by his single mom. One time we were at the mall and went to the bathroom. There was a long line of urinals, and most of them were empty. So I stepped up to one, whipped my cock out and started to piss. While I was pissing, I realized my friend had gone in a stall and locked the door. I thought maybe he had to take a shit...but nope, he was finished in less than a minute. As we were leaving the bathroom, I asked why he didn't just use one of the urinals by me. He said his mom told him it was wrong to let anyone else see his penis because they might try to do something bad to him. We weren't friends for very long (not because of that...just starting getting different interests), but now that I'm thinking back on it, I'm sure there were other examples of him being a sissy. That's just the one I remember most clearly because it seemed so stupid to me at the time. Anyway, I think the lack of dads for a lot of boys these days is probably one of the biggest reasons behind younger guys having absurd notions of modesty.
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Old 09-05-2011   #32 (permalink)
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I don't think it has anything to do with politics, religion, or morality. I think it has to do with shifts in society in several ways. A few ideas:

1) Kids are are more spoiled now. They expect more privacy, and whine if they don't get it.

2) Homosexuality isn't as taboo. Guys are more aware that other guys might be sexually attracted to them. Being naked around a bunch of strangers probably heightens this feeling and raises paranoia. I personally don't care if a gay guy checks out my naked body. He can look, he just cant touch. But a lot of younger guys get more freaked out because they're insecure.

3) Young guys don't have as many strong male role models any more. A lot of guys my age and younger grew up or are growing up in a single mom household. I don't want to make any extreme stereotypes; but generally speaking, moms are going to teach their sons to be more private and reserved than their dads would. In my early teens, I had a friend who was being raised by his single mom. One time we were at the mall and went to the bathroom. There was a long line of urinals, and most of them were empty. So I stepped up to one, whipped my cock out and started to piss. While I was pissing, I realized my friend had gone in a stall and locked the door. I thought maybe he had to take a shit...but nope, he was finished in less than a minute. As we were leaving the bathroom, I asked why he didn't just use one of the urinals by me. He said his mom told him it was wrong to let anyone else see his penis because they might try to do something bad to him. We weren't friends for very long (not because of that...just starting getting different interests), but now that I'm thinking back on it, I'm sure there were other examples of him being a sissy. That's just the one I remember most clearly because it seemed so stupid to me at the time. Anyway, I think the lack of dads for a lot of boys these days is probably one of the biggest reasons behind younger guys having absurd notions of modesty.
That last one is definitely true
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Old 09-05-2011   #33 (permalink)
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wowww some major ignorance going on in some of these earlier post. just because your christian does not mean you are not cool with nudity, with the same gender. i live in a very conservative area and am a christian myself....sooo this is ridiculous. haaha i could prove those statements wrong each and every day...id be glad to show you. ;) haha
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Old 09-05-2011   #34 (permalink)
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wowww some major ignorance going on in some of these earlier post. just because your christian does not mean you are not cool with nudity, with the same gender. i live in a very conservative area and am a christian myself....sooo this is ridiculous. haaha i could prove those statements wrong each and every day...id be glad to show you. ;) haha
The religious argument is BS but the first and last are actually valid
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Old 09-05-2011   #35 (permalink)
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I don't think it has anything to do with politics, religion, or morality. I think it has to do with shifts in society in several ways. A few ideas:

1) Kids are are more spoiled now. They expect more privacy, and whine if they don't get it.

2) Homosexuality isn't as taboo. Guys are more aware that other guys might be sexually attracted to them. Being naked around a bunch of strangers probably heightens this feeling and raises paranoia. I personally don't care if a gay guy checks out my naked body. He can look, he just cant touch. But a lot of younger guys get more freaked out because they're insecure.

3) Young guys don't have as many strong male role models any more. A lot of guys my age and younger grew up or are growing up in a single mom household. I don't want to make any extreme stereotypes; but generally speaking, moms are going to teach their sons to be more private and reserved than their dads would. In my early teens, I had a friend who was being raised by his single mom. One time we were at the mall and went to the bathroom. There was a long line of urinals, and most of them were empty. So I stepped up to one, whipped my cock out and started to piss. While I was pissing, I realized my friend had gone in a stall and locked the door. I thought maybe he had to take a shit...but nope, he was finished in less than a minute. As we were leaving the bathroom, I asked why he didn't just use one of the urinals by me. He said his mom told him it was wrong to let anyone else see his penis because they might try to do something bad to him. We weren't friends for very long (not because of that...just starting getting different interests), but now that I'm thinking back on it, I'm sure there were other examples of him being a sissy. That's just the one I remember most clearly because it seemed so stupid to me at the time. Anyway, I think the lack of dads for a lot of boys these days is probably one of the biggest reasons behind younger guys having absurd notions of modesty.

Bravo for putting this so intelligently. I think you've pegged it. I've always felt that nudity and fooling around in your jockstrap in the locker room are essential for proper male psyche development.
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Old 09-05-2011   #36 (permalink)
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I don't think it has anything to do with politics, religion, or morality. I think it has to do with shifts in society in several ways. A few ideas:

1) Kids are are more spoiled now. They expect more privacy, and whine if they don't get it.

2) Homosexuality isn't as taboo. Guys are more aware that other guys might be sexually attracted to them. Being naked around a bunch of strangers probably heightens this feeling and raises paranoia. I personally don't care if a gay guy checks out my naked body. He can look, he just cant touch. But a lot of younger guys get more freaked out because they're insecure.

3) Young guys don't have as many strong male role models any more. A lot of guys my age and younger grew up or are growing up in a single mom household. I don't want to make any extreme stereotypes; but generally speaking, moms are going to teach their sons to be more private and reserved than their dads would. In my early teens, I had a friend who was being raised by his single mom. One time we were at the mall and went to the bathroom. There was a long line of urinals, and most of them were empty. So I stepped up to one, whipped my cock out and started to piss. While I was pissing, I realized my friend had gone in a stall and locked the door. I thought maybe he had to take a shit...but nope, he was finished in less than a minute. As we were leaving the bathroom, I asked why he didn't just use one of the urinals by me. He said his mom told him it was wrong to let anyone else see his penis because they might try to do something bad to him. We weren't friends for very long (not because of that...just starting getting different interests), but now that I'm thinking back on it, I'm sure there were other examples of him being a sissy. That's just the one I remember most clearly because it seemed so stupid to me at the time. Anyway, I think the lack of dads for a lot of boys these days is probably one of the biggest reasons behind younger guys having absurd notions of modesty.

Perfectly stated. I agree with everything you said!
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Old 09-05-2011   #37 (permalink)
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Bravo for putting this so intelligently. I think you've pegged it. I've always felt that nudity and fooling around in your jockstrap in the locker room are essential for proper male psyche development.
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This.

Although, its not everything since in Australia we don't have nudity in school change rooms or jockstraps and lots of us turn out very masculine
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Old 09-06-2011   #38 (permalink)
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... I wish more people would get out of the US for a month (not just to Canada) and experience life elsewhere. Where seeing a woman nursing her baby isn't treated as a criminal act. Where a guy peeing against a tree (of course not on a downtown street) isn't arrested for public indecency. Where, if you want, you can lay out nude in a city park (Munich or Berlin for example).
You wish more people would get out of the U.S.? But isn't there the danger that if we could afford to leave for a while, we might not want to come back? I hear so much disturbing stuff about the U.S. becoming a police state. So where is a good place to expatriate to? I read the U.S. is a "has-been" country, and the U.S. doesn't appear to me to be serious about solving its problems. I feel trapped here.

I agree that a mother nursing her baby is completely natural and to-be-expected. As is pregnancy for married people.

Other than that, I do not believe public nudity is appropriate, well except for the proper places, such as locker-rooms, communal showers, maybe the hot tub or sauna, where one would presumably have a reason for nudity. Showering with clothes on, is ridiculous.

Encourage large families worldwide, so that far more people may enjoy life.
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Old 09-06-2011   #39 (permalink)
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This.

Although, its not everything since in Australia we don't have nudity in school change rooms or jockstraps and lots of us turn out very masculine
Oh, I know. It's not that you HAVE to have it. I just think it's cool if you can. I'm sure guys who don't have jockstraps as part of their culture find other ways. I wonder, esp in the past, if world-class athletes that compete in international competitions have conversations about jockstraps. I mean, would someone who'd never seen one at, say, the Olympics comment on them and think they're strange. I admit that the bare ass thing IS kinda weird, even tho' I'm used to it.
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Old 09-16-2011   #40 (permalink)
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Please don't make sweeping generalizations. I consider myself fairly conservative. I'm a Christian. And I do read the Bible. But guess what? I have absolutely NO ISSUE getting naked in same-gender non-sexual situations like an open shower or locker room. My closest friends share views similar to my own, and they don't have any hangups about nudity in situations like that either.

In fact, earlier this summer, a bunch of us went to a water resort for a little day trip. The guys locker room there only had an open shower room with five or six shower heads on each side. I noticed a lot of guys there didn't bother using the showers or changing before they left. But me and my four friends ALL SHOWERED NAKED WITH EACH OTHER. That's right, five CHRISTIAN guys in their late teens to mid-20s showering naked together. No hint of sexuality. No boners. Just some talking and joking around.

The really ironic part is that there was another group of friends using the showers too. It was four guys, probably in their mid teens, showering in their board shorts. They were cussing just about every other word. (And I'm not saying that means they WEREN'T Christians. But they weren't really acting like they were.) Me and my friends started off in our shorts too, so we could rinse off the chlorine. But after a couple minutes, we took off our shorts and started soaping up. The younger guys saw us, and after a few minutes, they got naked too! We even chatted a little bit, and they started to tone down their language. My point with this story is that it was the conservative Christian guys who set a good example of acceptable nudity for guys who were acting more liberal and non-Christian.

I don't post often. And I certainly rarely make posts this long. But your comment seemed out of line, and I wanted to give you an example to think about. Also, you may want to lay off using the term "bible thumper". It is offensive to Christians in the same way the "f" word is to homosexuals.

Peace out.
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As you rightly mentioned in your post, the church was more pervasive in life in the past than it is today when guys were expected to swim naked and shower with other guys out of fear of being thought of as odd or mentally ill. I remember posting a link a couple of years back to a similar discussion on a Christian website. Those guys were just as perplexed by it as we are. Therefore, I don't think this can be blamed on the political right, or on Christian religious groups. That's just an oversimplification of this issue. BTW, I'm a huge supporter of communal same gender, non-sexual nudity (I even started a group on it on LPSG - over 500 members strong today) and I identify as a Conservative Christian as well.
I was thinking about this thread today while I was working out at my Y. When I entered the adult men's locker room, I noticed 2 guys in there in their late 20s early 30s. They were both pretty good looking and had decent physiques (they were still clothed). Imagine my surprise when one of them took off his coat and he had a priest's/minister's collar around his neck! As I have mentioned before, using this locker room comes at a premium price, so most of the guys that have access to it use the facilities that are offered. After my workout, I was using the wet area (steam room and hot tub) which everyone uses naked. I walked into the open shower and there were these same 2 guys having a shower together just as naked as everyone else. There was no hiding, towel dancing, etc. The priest/minister used the shower, towelled off and got changed back into his clothes just like everyone else. That was the first time that I have showered with a priest/minister, and it was cool to see him so relaxed about being naked with everone else. Again, I don't think this hyper modesty nowadays has anything to with Christianity.

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Old 09-18-2011   #41 (permalink)
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I was thinking about this thread today while I was working out at my Y. When I entered the adult men's locker room, I noticed 2 guys in there in their late 20s early 30s. They were both pretty good looking and had decent physiques (they were still clothed). Imagine my surprise when one of them took off his coat and he had a priest's/minister's collar around his neck! As I have mentioned before, using this locker room comes at a premium price, so most of the guys that have access to it use the facilities that are offered. After my workout, I was using the wet area (steam room and hot tub) which everyone uses naked. I walked into the open shower and there were these same 2 guys having a shower together just as naked as everyone else. There was no hiding, towel dancing, etc. The priest/minister used the shower, towelled off and got changed back into his clothes just like everyone else. That was the first time that I have showered with a priest/minister, and it was cool to see him so relaxed about being naked with everone else. Again, I don't think this hyper modesty nowadays has anything to with Christianity.
Imagine that. A priest naked around other men. ; )

Was he Catholic? Episcopalian? Orthodox?
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Old 09-18-2011   #42 (permalink)
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that would suck to have co-ed steamroom/saunas/whirlpool. gym i go to has a steamroom and sauna in both male and female lockerrooms. (no whirlpool)

anyway, at my gym everyone goes in both rooms in towels as they should, imo. sometimes someone pops up in either room naked but doesn't happen often. don't think anyone showers with boxers on. thats just weird.
I realize that things are "different" in Europe, but a few years ago, two friends of mine (gay couiple) took me to Les Bains du Saillon in Switzerland. Though the main floor was howling with children, we were headed to the "Carpe Diem" section downstairs. They had informed me it was au naturel, which is fine. What was odd was, as we were disrobing in the locker room, in walked two women (I thought cleaning staff, at first)...who also proceeded to disrobe! We went down and joined about 100 people in various pools/steamrooms, etc., all completely naked. And I, a rather shy person, was almost immediately fine with it! In fact, after a brief conversation with a gentleman who was sitting in the outside cold pool (and this was in midwinter), he came inside and joined me in the bubbling warm water spa. And letīs just say that those bubbles can add a level of discretion to a surprising amount of "activity"...

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Old 09-18-2011   #43 (permalink)
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What on earth is western society coming to - its not good

I would love for more men only gyms at least it would get rid of the morons that go there to show off or ogle the ladies

There really is nothing worse than sitting next to an overweight sweaty lady on the blob in the sauna - sometimes thay make the room stink
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Old 09-18-2011   #44 (permalink)
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Imagine that. A priest naked around other men. ; )

Was he Catholic? Episcopalian? Orthodox?
At first I thought he was Catholic, but after showering with him, I'm convinced that he must be Episcopalian.

The point is that he is a religious leader who had no issues with being naked and doing something natural around other guys. This throws the whole "it's religion's fault" theory out the window.
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