06-22-2012
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#166 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Marius567 why should eveyone pay the same rate for health care?
I think someone in good shape should pay less and some that is fat, smokes should pay more. | You would still pay LESS than you do now! ( we all would pay less)
Read up on it and see.
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06-22-2012
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#167 (permalink)
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health insurance paid my $50.000 bill so stop bashing health insurance.
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06-22-2012
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#168 (permalink)
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Didn't they say that this current health insurance law wouldn't even go in effect fully until like 2014 or some crazy date. Like fully into effect. So I guess it could be seen as the Republicants trying to get rid of something that's not even fully in effect(and thus we have no way of knowing how well it would or would not work)
I still think we lost out big time with the option for the public option being completely done away with.
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06-22-2012
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#169 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Marius567 health insurance paid my $50.000 bill so stop bashing health insurance. | If your experience was more typical, maybe we wouldn't have to.
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06-22-2012
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#170 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Marius567 health insurance paid my $50.000 bill so stop bashing health insurance. | Quote:
Originally Posted by Klingsor If your experience was more typical, maybe we wouldn't have to. | Perhaps a bit more to the point, our current system has led to healthcare costs rising ninefold in the same amount of time all other prices doubled, so without said companies that bill might have only been about $11,000. Quote:
Originally Posted by FSUnole2k9 Didn't they say that this current health insurance law wouldn't even go in effect fully until like 2014 or some crazy date. Like fully into effect. So I guess it could be seen as the Republicants trying to get rid of something that's not even fully in effect(and thus we have no way of knowing how well it would or would not work)
I still think we lost out big time with the option for the public option being completely done away with. | Yeah, once it's fully in place, people will see the good it is set up to do, and it'll become entrenched. Republicans want to stop that from happening, but I think they might have lost their chance by appointed Romney as the next candidate. As he becomes gradually less and less relateable to the average American, he opens up the GOP to huge losses in November for Congressional seats. If that happens, I think the new wave of Democratic senators will be significantly less interested in kowtowing to The Party of "No", and much more interested in pushing the bills they want through. If they get another supermajority, the public option would probably get passed before Republicans can blink.
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06-23-2012
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#171 (permalink)
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health insurance companies do not have to cut there rates.
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06-23-2012
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#172 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Marius567 health insurance companies do not have to cut there rates. | they will if they want to compete, instead of continuing enjoy a collusionary monopoly.
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06-24-2012
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#173 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Marius567 health insurance companies do not have to cut there rates. | Hey, I got an idea. They can keep their rates exactly the way they are, but make them pay the full amount of their customers' medical bills rather than getting the 70% or so taken off the top because they're an insurance company. I've seen the before and after transformation on hospital bills, it's ludicrous.
Basically it works like this, the insurance company approaches the hospital and offers to be a creditor to pay the bills of people, because it makes it much easier for the hospital to get paid promptly, they accept, because it is a great service for themselves. The catch? So the insurance companies can make more money off of it, they negotiate a discount for their services. The hospitals accept and raise their prices in response, so the discounted payments they receive are more in line with their desired profit margin. The insurance companies need more money to pay for this so they raise premiums. The prices get too high for people to easily pay without insurance, so more people get it. This means more payments to the hospital are discounted, so they raise prices. In return the insurance companies raise premiums....
It's a vicious cycle there. Solution: Make the insurance companies pay the same as everyone else. The inflation in healthcare prices is because it's being raised to lessen the blow of insurance company discounts. Remove the discounts, the inflation falls back in line with economic standards. It may even be a bit more expensive to get insurance for awhile but the system would become sustainable.
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06-27-2012
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Originally Posted by str821 I don't have particularly strong feelings about this issue, but where in the constitution does it say that Congress may not regulate commerce so as to compel anyone to buy anything? There is an appealing natural rights argument that you can try to include by inference through the Ninth Amendment, but there is nothing in the Constitution that invalidates the individual mandate. | And that is why I will be very happy tomorrow when the SCOTUS votes that pile of garbage down.
What an illegal power grab that would have been.
I cannot believe our "community organizer" in-chief...someone who TAUGHT constitutional law, could fabricate such a house of cards argument for the individual mandate.
I would be demanding a refund if I unfortunately stuck with him as a "professor".
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06-27-2012
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Originally Posted by Brief_Lover And that is why I will be very happy tomorrow when the SCOTUS votes that pile of garbage down.
What an illegal power grab that would have been.
I cannot believe our "community organizer" in-chief...someone who TAUGHT constitutional law, could fabricate such a house of cards argument for the individual mandate.
I would be demanding a refund if I unfortunately stuck with him as a "professor". | It's a Republican idea, which they pushed for vehemently, until Obama wanted to do it.
So your outrage is ridiculous. Unless it's just based on the fact that you want Obama to fail regardless of the consequences for America. In which case it's not ridiculous, it's just asinine and pathetic.
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06-27-2012
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#177 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Brief_Lover And that is why I will be very happy tomorrow when the SCOTUS votes that pile of garbage down.
What an illegal power grab that would have been.
I cannot believe our "community organizer" in-chief...someone who TAUGHT constitutional law, could fabricate such a house of cards argument for the individual mandate.
I would be demanding a refund if I unfortunately stuck with him as a "professor". | Why do you feel the individual mandate is unconstituional? How is it different from anything else that is state mandated and costs money?
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06-28-2012
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#178 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by FSUnole2k9 Didn't they say that this current health insurance law wouldn't even go in effect fully until like 2014 or some crazy date. Like fully into effect. So I guess it could be seen as the Republicants trying to get rid of something that's not even fully in effect(and thus we have no way of knowing how well it would or would not work)
I still think we lost out big time with the option for the public option being completely done away with. | Now that the Supreme Court has upheld the law ---- vote Democratic and watch a new House of Representatives give the bill the overhaul it deserves!!
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06-28-2012
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#180 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by 24065 | lmao.....  ...... | | |
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