03-28-2012
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Originally Posted by redneckgymrat  I'm going to stand up for 24605, on this one. His concerns, as stated, have been about legality, Constitutionality, and long term consequences, which indicates that he is thinking rather deeply about this subject. So, yes, I would hold him up as a "pillar of intellect" with regards to this discussion.
No one, even its most ardent detractors, has said that having health insurance, or affordable access to health care, is anything but desirable.
Its detractors have simply said that shredding the Constitution, by over-reaching the Constitutional limits on Federal authority, is a very bad way to do it.
If this law is struck down (and I, too, sincerely hope that it is), then it will be the American patriots who actually *understand* Constitutional law and limits on Federal authority, who struck it down.
The fact that you agree with a law, does not automatically make it a *good* law. |
I don't have particularly strong feelings about this issue, but where in the constitution does it say that Congress may not regulate commerce so as to compel anyone to buy anything? There is an appealing natural rights argument that you can try to include by inference through the Ninth Amendment, but there is nothing in the Constitution that invalidates the individual mandate.
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03-28-2012
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Originally Posted by gymfresh At the other extreme, since Medicare is administered by HHS, what's to stop the president from issuing an executive order opening up Medicare to any American that wants to pay for it? | That's what they should do and dispense with insurance companies altogether. Just announce in 10 yrs Medicare will be eligible for people 55 and older and every ten years just keep dropping the age until Medicare covers the nation. Plenty of time for the leaches to find another business. The link between health insurance and employment needs to be broken. |
You know that my tears, have kept me awake
The longer you're gone,
I'll hunger and shake
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03-28-2012
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i think that before we talk about healthcare, we should fix social security and Welfare along with medicare and medicaid.
fix what we have now beofre our healthcare system is over worked and abused.
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03-28-2012
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Obamacare is such a red herring. Celebrating that it 'goes up in flames'? Please. American healthcare has been a mess long before Obamacare and will be longer after.
It's merely a symptom, not a diagnosis. Fighting about 'obamacare' is pointlessly beating around the bush. If you don't like the way healthcare, or anything is handled by state, argue about the devaluation of currency through the cartelization of money supply or corporate control over market regulations.
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14x9 uncut, mushroom head (think of a fly agaria, because of the spots, still got to get those checked tbh)
lowhangers the size of a grapefruit (well, the right one, the other one's got some catching up to do but I'm still rooting for ol' lefty).
100% straight, but I don't mind the occasional cock.. or 4.. naked, tied up, surrounded by strange hairy men... But I wouldn't date any of them. Well, maybe on the side
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03-28-2012
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Originally Posted by TheBestYouCan These can go away too. Feel better? | Well, if anarchy had a proven track record of working. Yes.  | | | |
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03-28-2012
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Originally Posted by 24065 | Since you're so against this I'm just going to ask you and the other posters who's against Obamacare (which is really Romneycare) this question: ARE YOU YOUR BROTHER'S (OR SISTER'S) KEEPER? | | | |
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03-28-2012
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Originally Posted by cocktaste A Supreme Court that upholds the Patriot Act. lmao.
The Supreme Court needs to be abolished, or at the very least they need to be given term limits. Their actions were repugnant during the 2000 election. These people don't care about the Constitution. Scalia is a fucking cancer on the bench!
I doubt this health care act will be completely abolished. America should have universal health care already, like the rest of the Western World. God, why doesn't America just progress already?! God. We look like a bunch of knuckle-dragging cowards. Everything is how something makes us "feel". It's not based on logic, or actual research. We have the highest rate of infantile death on record.
I'd really love to see Social Security and Medicare taken away for one year. The country would implode. The people who are supposedly against Socialism, won't dare give up those programs.
This country subsidizes too many morons. The Red States take social programs at record levels, and have the most abortions.
You want to know why people are against any government programs? They don't want "darkie" getting one red cent of their hard earned money, even if it means that they and their children will be up shit creek. They'll just pray to Jesus that everything works out. They see anyone non-white as lazy. The fact that they blame illegal immigrants as the reason the economy is bad, proves that they're are a lot of fucking morons in this country. Keep kissing up to the "Free Market", and sucking CEO dicks. | Abolish the supreme court really? Then who would be the voice of the constitution? The elected party. That makes me feel better. Limited terms might be a better solution.
Social Security... sure take it away but give me the money that I have contributed so that I can invest it..... please
Your last comment is so racist it's not worth commenting on but I will. I don't look at color with regards to social programs but people like you want to use that as the card. The fact is there are people that have made a job out of the social programs and have no limitations put on them. They have every reason not to attempt to improve thier lives. As far as illegal immigrants and ruining our economy that's a bunch of BS. We ruined the economy, the U.S. government. The word you really need to focus on is "illegal". Come into this counry legally, work hard and I wish anyone the best of success. But based on your thoughts this group of people should get the same benefits as a citizen. I am reading into your comments but I'm probably not far off.
And finally I love the "Free Market".
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You never know where you will find friends. Just keep looking and looking.
People judge and people are judged.
If you think life sucks now. Hang around you have a 50/50 chance it could get worse.
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03-28-2012
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Originally Posted by blazblue Since you're so against this I'm just going to ask you and the other posters who's against Obamacare (which is really Romneycare) this question:
ARE YOU YOUR BROTHER'S (OR SISTER'S) KEEPER? | No
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03-29-2012
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my brother wants obamacare.
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03-29-2012
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Originally Posted by Marius567 my brother wants obamacare. | Quote:
Originally Posted by blazblue ^ As do I. :D | my brothers and I want The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, but we just call it rOmneycare 2.0.
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“Listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of military-style assault weapons.” -Ronald Reagan.
The NRA is simply the biggest for profit terrorist group this side of Kandahar. | |
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03-29-2012
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Originally Posted by manju Well, if anarchy had a proven track record of working. Yes. | Nice straw man.
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"Those who rail against profits and "greed" seldom stop to think through what they are saying, much less go check the facts. Most of the great American fortunes-- Rockefeller, Ford, Carnegie, etc. -- came from finding more efficient ways to produce a product or service at a lower cost, so that it could be sold at a lower price and attract more customers. If making a fortune represents greed, then greed is what drives prices down." – Thomas Sowell | |
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03-29-2012
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One thing I love about our president is how much he pisses off the right to the point where they are frothing at the mouth out of rage.
Now that IS change I can appreciate.
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“Listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of military-style assault weapons.” -Ronald Reagan.
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03-29-2012
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MEDICARE for all!.............IF the bill goes down.
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Presidents place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible.
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03-29-2012
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Originally Posted by Industrialsize MEDICARE for all!.............IF the bill goes down. | Exactly.
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“Listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of military-style assault weapons.” -Ronald Reagan.
The NRA is simply the biggest for profit terrorist group this side of Kandahar. | |
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