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Originally Posted by lpsg420 OlderGuy, we need carbohidrates you moron. Its like saying to someone "stop breathing" or "stop drinking water". We are animals that need glucose to function, and we break carbohidrates up to

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Old 05-06-2012   #16 (permalink)
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OlderGuy, we need carbohidrates you moron.

Its like saying to someone "stop breathing" or "stop drinking water". We are animals that need glucose to function, and we break carbohidrates up to obtain it, so if you stop eating carbohidrates you will not be fully nourished and eventually your brain and kidney will start failling and you might even die.

Don't do atkins unless you are really stupid or wants to fucking die and become a stupid motherfucker with a malfunctioning brain.
OR someone who cannot spell "carbohydrates".

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Old 05-06-2012   #17 (permalink)
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I don't know South Beach, but I know Atkins. Carbs are the number one thing that causes caloric weight gain and body fat addition.

Have you looked at Bill Phillips' Body for Life? The photos alone on the inside front and back covers are enough to motivate someone to go for it. I did that program several year ago and got ripped.

Although I'm not overweight, I currently have an iPhone app called myfitnesspal that is a phenomenal calorie counter and workout tracker. Its database is huge and it knows all the food content - you just have to enter what you ate or the workout you did. I've lost 12 pounds since I returned from Europe last summer.

Losing weight is very tough but few things are as rewarding. It comes down to body chemistry, so if she cuts carbs and exercises, and drinks a lot of water and stays nutritionally sane with vitamins, etc, she can't help but lose body fat; the body is a chemical machine and it must react.

If none of that works, I suggest a medical checkup to ensure her thyroid is okay and that there isn't something messing with her metabolism.

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Old 05-06-2012   #18 (permalink)
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My better half is overweight, she knows it, she's constantly working on it, but the fact is, she is, objectively speaking, obese.

She is embarrassed to eat "in public." Not public as in restaurants, but as in at group picnics, parties, etc.

We're going to a picnic this afternoon, and she's eating now so she won't be eating there, because she's uncomfortable with people seeing her eat.

Just curious if this is something other women deal with. Or men, for that matter.

i don't have a problem with the eating in front of others---*******just with food itself.********* and yes there are people out there with food issues. i like weight watchers.

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Old 05-06-2012   #19 (permalink)
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OlderGuy, we need carbohidrates you moron.

Its like saying to someone "stop breathing" or "stop drinking water". We are animals that need glucose to function, and we break carbohidrates up to obtain it, so if you stop eating carbohidrates you will not be fully nourished and eventually your brain and kidney will start failling and you might even die.

Don't do atkins unless you are really stupid or wants to fucking die and become a stupid motherfucker with a malfunctioning brain.
Yes, because of course I was advocating that. Thank you for your erudite answer.

Yes, we need carbs. Cutting carbs does not mean reducing your carb intake to zero. Most people can get enough carbs incidentally with the food they eat but can still cut out things like bread and sweets that are almost pure simple carbs. When eating carbs, complex carbohydrates are the target foods.

Ever wonder why you get so thirsty when you eat pizza or pasta or other carb-heavy foods? Because you need to "hydrate" them. But thank you for the chemistry lesson.

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Old 05-06-2012   #20 (permalink)
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Nope. Won't work. I already exercise like a maniac, I eat fairly clean. Last time I suggested we try to diet together she got pissed so I dropped the offer. But thanks anyway.

She was a swimmer in college, an aerobics instructor during and after college, etc. So, she's no stranger to the gym/pool. Once you reach a certain weight, it seems to get incrementally harder to workout.
In an earlier post you said "there's got to be more to it" because she had been tested and her thyroid is fine and you say you've seen what she eats. It's possible that when you aren't around her she eats things you don't see. I was friends with an obese married couple. They always used to say "we eat healthy, we are just bigger people, slower metabolisms etc"... I kinda believed them because I had gone to college with the husband and he had started out as a husky (Because of Football) guy, and throughout college gotten fatter and fatter.

That was all until I lived with them. I stayed with them for about a summer and it opened my eyes to what they REALLY ate. HUGE portions, sugary snacks, ice cream, rum etc. They would skip breakfast and eat two huge meals and then a huge snack right before bed. It became painfully obvious that their eating habits, as is the case 99% of the time, was the problem with their weight.

She may have issues not only eating in front of others, but she may be hiding her bad eating habits from you. Either way, she has to want to change more than she wants to continue eating whatever she wants when she wants.

I believe we should love people, and sometimes that means telling them things they don't want to hear. Being obese is not healthy nor beautiful. It's dangerous and costly not only to the person who is obese, but also to society in general. It's definitely worth fighting that windmill, especially if you value your wife's enjoyment of life as well as longevity.

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Old 05-06-2012   #21 (permalink)
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In an earlier post you said "there's got to be more to it" because she had been tested and her thyroid is fine and you say you've seen what she eats. It's possible that when you aren't around her she eats things you don't see. I was friends with an obese married couple. They always used to say "we eat healthy, we are just bigger people, slower metabolisms etc"... I kinda believed them because I had gone to college with the husband and he had started out as a husky (Because of Football) guy, and throughout college gotten fatter and fatter.

That was all until I lived with them. I stayed with them for about a summer and it opened my eyes to what they REALLY ate. HUGE portions, sugary snacks, ice cream, rum etc. They would skip breakfast and eat two huge meals and then a huge snack right before bed. It became painfully obvious that their eating habits, as is the case 99% of the time, was the problem with their weight.

She may have issues not only eating in front of others, but she may be hiding her bad eating habits from you. Either way, she has to want to change more than she wants to continue eating whatever she wants when she wants.

I believe we should love people, and sometimes that means telling them things they don't want to hear. Being obese is not healthy nor beautiful. It's dangerous and costly not only to the person who is obese, but also to society in general. It's definitely worth fighting that windmill, especially if you value your wife's enjoyment of life as well as longevity.
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Old 05-06-2012   #22 (permalink)
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Yes, because of course I was advocating that. Thank you for your erudite answer.

Yes, we need carbs. Cutting carbs does not mean reducing your carb intake to zero. Most people can get enough carbs incidentally with the food they eat but can still cut out things like bread and sweets that are almost pure simple carbs. When eating carbs, complex carbohydrates are the target foods.

Ever wonder why you get so thirsty when you eat pizza or pasta or other carb-heavy foods? Because you need to "hydrate" them. But thank you for the chemistry lesson.
The reason why we have those "low carb" diets is not because carbs themselves are bad. Its because the carbohydrates available in the "normal" obesity inducing diets are simple processed carbs. There are many types of carbs, and trust me, you do yourself a nutritional disservice in the long term if you make a generalized statement of "cut the carbs" or simply reduce your carb total without changing the types of carbs you eat (for example, eating whole wheat bread instead of white, or brown/wild rice instead of white rice, fresh squeezed orange juice with pulp instead of soda).

So while the thinking behind the "low carb" craze is understandable, its ultimately not sustainable to have a protein dominated diet - we get energy from carbs and fats, and a healthy balance in the long term is something along the lines of 3grams carbs to 2 grams protein.
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Old 05-06-2012   #23 (permalink)
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we need carbohidrates you moron.
<snip mindless crap>
and we break carbohidrates < snip>

OHNOZ...the dreaded...carbohidrates!

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Old 05-06-2012   #24 (permalink)
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^^this site is free and it's a really good way to keep track. it's a lot easier to keep an eye on your diet & exercise when you see it laid out this way. she might like it.

i struggle with eating in public. actually, sometimes i struggle with eating at all. my kids are used to me eating in my room, because sometimes i need to be alone to get anything down.

is it really that big a deal? it might be small thing to her that just makes her feel comfortable, that you're blowing up out of proportion.

if she's anything like me, trying to convince her may only make it harder.
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Old 05-07-2012   #25 (permalink)
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Women have more fat cells and it tends to be harder to loose weight as we get older.
Hormones factor in too. When we gain weight fat cells get bigger and that makes weight management a bit tougher than someone who has never gained much weight.

If she's heavy,she knows it. Let her know you love her. Being overweight can cause depression and eating is comforting. Antidepressants are helpful,but some can cause weight gain.

It is true tho that depending on her age and family back ground she could develops diabetes and heart disease.
Eating better Is a family affair. We don't eat sugar and don't have it in the house. I love chocolate milk, so it was a hard habit for me to break. The more sugar one takes in, the more we crave.
I found in time I stopped craving chocolate. I'm also a picky eater. Don't like many things, but what I did like was usually chocolate in some way. I won't eat meat or fish.
I'm just an odd one.

I'm lucky my husband cooks, it's is a stress reliever for him. So since the kids were born we've kept sugar out of the house. We do eat A lot of fruit, veggies and raw veggies with sauce. Lucky my husband is creative.

Exercise. Can you do something together? That helps me.

I'll add some links. Pilates is an accepted method of exercise for over 50 years and was developed by a physican.
I do that and have for years. There is something called vibration exercise. I've read articles on it about MS patients and how it helps muscles. Recently hailed for weight loss and muscle strength.
My husband and I have read some things about it, and it may have promise but you'd really need to have check up and tell your doc about your plans first.

I'm including some links. Nice your concerned about her. But also give her some space.
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There are quite a few types of Pilates equipment. Inc a chair. Mat /w mat exercises is good but takes a little more planning in my mind. But it is inexpensive and various weights could be used ( say for 2 people)
I like the large one. If space is a problem, I know people who have set aside space in garage.

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I wish you both luck and love.
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Old 05-07-2012   #26 (permalink)
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It's not what you eat but how you feel about what you are eating.

People who are obese have a hard time losing weight because they do not feel good about eating, mostly because of the shame associated with the discrimination and bullying. The extra weight and the negative emotion makes it hard to be active. It's a hard cycle to break. The emotional aspect is really the starting point.
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Old 05-07-2012   #27 (permalink)
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She is embarrassed to eat "in public." Not public as in restaurants, but as in at group picnics, parties, etc.

We're going to a picnic this afternoon, and she's eating now so she won't be eating there, because she's uncomfortable with people seeing her eat.
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It a judgment thing (from friends and family). As for restaurants, she doesn't care because it's people she doesn't know. It's all psychological. Beats me why people who responded in this thread tossed in pilates machines and shake weights.

You're all dismissed.

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Old 05-07-2012   #28 (permalink)
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Free Calorie Counter, Diet & Exercise Journal | MyFitnessPal.com
^^this site is free and it's a really good way to keep track. it's a lot easier to keep an eye on your diet & exercise when you see it laid out this way. she might like it.

i struggle with eating in public. actually, sometimes i struggle with eating at all. my kids are used to me eating in my room, because sometimes i need to be alone to get anything down.

is it really that big a deal? it might be small thing to her that just makes her feel comfortable, that you're blowing up out of proportion.

if she's anything like me, trying to convince her may only make it harder.

I mentioned apps to her, but she said it's still a matter of measuring and recording everything, and she doesn't want to do that for the rest of her life. She's an engineer by training, so keeping accurate data is second nature to her.

She often eats before the rest of us. Afterward, she'll sit with us, but won't eat. And other times she avoids the kitchen entirely.

It might not be that big of a deal, I was just curious if being embarrassed about eating in public is something other people struggle with.

One thing that worries both of us is that she has obese relatives in their 50s and 60s who are showing signs of weight-related health problems. At one point, a few months ago, she considered a lap band.
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Old 05-07-2012   #29 (permalink)
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I don't know what the answer is. I think every fat person has been ashamed of being fat much like most gay guys I know for being gay. It has to do with fitting in and being accepted. No one wants to be singled out for being different and undesirable.

There is a lot of stigma that comes with being fat in our society, especially for females.

Sometimes it's just easier staying fat and suffering in silence than doing anything about it. Things at rest tend to stay at rest. Food is comfort besides.

But if you start losing weight it's easier to keep on that track. Things in motion tend to stay in motion.
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Old 05-07-2012   #30 (permalink)
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I wish you both luck and love.
Thanks, Mumzi. We go on walks together once in a while, but not very often. She's a good swimmer, but can't find the time to get to the pool.

We both know there is no easy way to do it, but she is convinced the easy answer is: eat less. She just can't stick to it. Cutting calories leads to headaches, bad mood, etc.
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