05-11-2012
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| If Romney really can't remember...
Bad as Romney's behavior terrorizing a classmate in high school may be, what troubles me most is that he claims not to remember the incident.
Funny, it seems to stand out in the memories of the several classmates who have reported on the episode. Those who participated with him carry feelings of guilt to this day.
How much awful shit must Romney have done in high school or just how callous a guy must he be not to remember something like this?
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05-11-2012
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@ Bi_mmf..
First, let me preface my remarks by saying I am NOT a Romney fan, and so, I am NOT defending him....BUT I can see how some "slower" folks may not remember stupid things they said or did, even a few minutes after they said them. Case in point- A female co-worker said some ignorant things about another person in my presence. About a month later, the other person had heard about it, and challenged her. She denied the whole thing. She was either lying or just so stupid, she didn't remember. I know she said it, I heard her. Others heard her. but she, to this day, denies even saying it. I think some people know what they said or did was wrong and they block it out, because they want to be a good person in their own mind. I lost respect for her after that, and our relationship wasn't ever the same. I felt I couldn't trust her.
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05-11-2012
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He remembers. This is evident from what he has said to the media about the incident. However, the impact of revalations like this is less about the actual events but how they are handled. Romney is tone deaf. He should have acknowledged the incident happened, said that he regrets it and for all these years has been ashamed and troubled by his participation. The public is unlikely to assess anyone by his worst moment in high school almost 50 years ago. But it will hold him accountable for his reaction today. I find it troubling that, unlike his classmates who seemed to convey genuine remorse over their involvement, Romney chuckled, denied remembering and showed zero regret. In my book THAT says something about the candidate.
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05-11-2012
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Its not uncommon. In the Uk right now we are having a fun public investigation into message interception by the Murdoch news organisation and also its relationship to government. Witnesses keep turning up and saying they cant remember what happened on particular occasions when they are on record as having met someone. Seems common amongst senior executives and politicians.
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05-11-2012
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Originally Posted by dandelion Its not uncommon. In the Uk right now we are having a fun public investigation into message interception by the Murdoch news organisation and also its relationship to government. Witnesses keep turning up and saying they cant remember what happened on particular occasions when they are on record as having met someone. Seems common amongst senior executives and politicians. | Of course it might also be true. I would struggle to remember who I met a few years ago, what I did or didn't talk with them about, whether I send an email, how many text messages a day I sent. Today we had an inquisitor grumbling that someone couldn't produce a comprehensive list of text messages from a few years back.
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05-11-2012
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Originally Posted by Jason Of course it might also be true. I would struggle to remember who I met a few years ago, what I did or didn't talk with them about, whether I send an email, how many text messages a day I sent. Today we had an inquisitor grumbling that someone couldn't produce a comprehensive list of text messages from a few years back. | I think, though, some things do tend to get seared into our memory. For example, had I led a band of kids in high school to set upon a weaker kid and then had him held down while I cut his hair off, all the while he cried an  d pleaded for help, I'd remember that. All of Romney's classmates who were involved remember. Why should we believe tbat he doesn't.
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05-11-2012
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Originally Posted by monel He remembers. This is evident from what he has said to the media about the incident. However, the impact of revalations like this is less about the actual events but how they are handled. Romney is tone deaf. He should have acknowledged the incident happened, said that he regrets it and for all these years has been ashamed and troubled by his participation. The public is unlikely to assess anyone by his worst moment in high school almost 50 years ago. But it will hold him accountable for his reaction today. I find it troubling that, unlike his classmates who seemed to convey genuine remorse over their involvement, Romney chuckled, denied remembering and showed zero regret. In my book THAT says something about the candidate. | Very well put.
What an ass Romney is to leave the public with only two possible conclusions: either he is an unrepentant liar or he was the ring-leader of so many acts of aggression and cruelty that he can't possibly be expected to remember any single instance.
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05-11-2012
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"You did something shitty as a teenager 4 decades ago and aren't awfully sorry and apologetic about it now? You are not righteous enough to be my president!"
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05-11-2012
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Also, I think the Declaration of Independence is total bollocks because the man who wrote it and all of his friends owned slaves.
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05-11-2012
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Originally Posted by bi_mmf Bad as Romney's behavior terrorizing a classmate in high school may be, what troubles me most is that he claims not to remember the incident.
How much awful shit must Romney have done in high school or just how callous a guy must he be not to remember something like this? | Quote:
Originally Posted by monel He remembers. This is evident from what he has said to the media about the incident. However, the impact of revalations like this is less about the actual events but how they are handled. Romney is tone deaf. He should have acknowledged the incident happened, said that he regrets it and for all these years has been ashamed and troubled by his participation. The public is unlikely to assess anyone by his worst moment in high school almost 50 years ago. But it will hold him accountable for his reaction today. I find it troubling that, unlike his classmates who seemed to convey genuine remorse over their involvement, Romney chuckled, denied remembering and showed zero regret. In my book THAT says something about the candidate. | I doubt that Mitt Romney is really sincere in any matter other than making his money, his family, and advancing his political career. Yeah, he left his dog in a kennel on top of his station wagon. Yeah, he bullied his fellow schoolmate. Maybe Romney doesn't see things as humanely. He is on Alpha-male remote control. He is insensitive. Maybe that is why Republicans like him. He doesn't really care about EVERYONE'S AMERICA...but he cares about the AMERICA that matters to REPUBLICANS. How is he going to help? This is a man who made money off of business failure. I have never seen Mitt Romney work with ALL kinds of businesses for their success. The man even has to fake sincerity and being "common". | |
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05-11-2012
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Originally Posted by Jason Of course it might also be true. | I was half listening to the testimony of the woman on today. She couldnt remember anything about the meeting but then next question remembered the whole conversation couldnt have been more than three minutes long. Selective amnesia.
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05-11-2012
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How does Mitt reconcile these 2 statements:
"I don't remember the incident"
and
"We didn't know the boy was gay"
| Presidents place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible. |
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05-11-2012
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Originally Posted by sbat "You did something shitty as a teenager 4 decades ago and aren't awfully sorry and apologetic about it now? You are not righteous enough to be my president!" | When you run for political office (especially President of the United States), are confronted with sadistic behavior from your past, are given an opportunity to respond, won't even acknowledge that it was wrong, but instead blame the whole incident on (surprise) Obama . . . then yeah, I kinda' think you're not righteous enough to be my president.
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05-11-2012
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Originally Posted by Industrialsize How does Mitt reconcile these 2 statements:
"I don't remember the incident"
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"We didn't know the boy was gay" | I'm sure he remembers.
But I don't find these statements contradictory.
I might remember Jimmy, one of my classmates, and have no memory of ever thinking he was gay, and at the same time simply not remember a very particular incident that may have taken all of two minutes to perpetrate.
I don't believe him, but I don't think the statements are irreconcilable.
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"To crush your enemies -- see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!"
That's barbaric, kidz.
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05-11-2012
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Originally Posted by Klingsor When you run for political office (especially President of the United States), are confronted with sadistic behavior from your past, are given an opportunity to respond, won't even acknowledge that it was wrong, but instead blame the whole incident on (surprise) Obama . . . then yeah, I kinda' think you're not righteous enough to be my president. | If we exclude douchebags, hypocrites, liars, thieves, unabashed narcissists, drug-imbibers, and whore-mongers from our "righteous enough to lead" group, there would be no one left to run for office. In my book, this is inadmissible evidence in the case of whether or not Mitt can be successful as POTUS.
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