Gay marraige is NOT the issue!

Marriage is an option. You can choose to get married or choose not to.

Food, water, shelter, and medical coverage are not options. You can't choose to have these things, you need them. In order to have access to these things you need money. a job. A career.

Black people can NOT be fired for being black.

Women can NOT be fired for being women.

Gay and lesbian people can and WILL be fired for being gay and lesbian in many states in America. I personally know people who were fired for that reason. I know people who have to hide who they are. You are at a place 40+ hours a week and you have to live a lie. It's workplace hostility. Nobody should have to live like that. And nobody should be fired based on what goes on in their bedrooms.

Gay marriage could be nationally legal tomorrow and it wouldn't change the fact that an employer can fire you because of your sex life.

Some states have made discrimination illegal:
Lesbian and Gay Rights - Workplace Discrimination

I'm just amazed at how big of a deal gay marriage is compared to gay workers rights.

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I could be wrong , but I think PRESIDENT OBAMA could sign an Executive Order to disallow such actions.

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Well...you can be fired for anything...being black, being gay, being a woman, being a man, whatever. Employers don't have to say what the real reason by law...they could hate you for all those attributes and say that you aren't a right fit for their company. Who said that companies cannot lie?


I went on a job interview. The manager was a black guy. I am a black guy as well. I went on two interviews with a company. The guy liked me. (That is how I got the second interview.) I took a psychological battery and was told that I could come in for results and information on getting the job. And I went in...and the guy basically said to me. That I and another candidate was competing for the position. He was telling me that it was a woman. (I was cool.) I asked what did I make on the psych profile. And he was like "He will get to that." So we started talking about the job and how I would sell products and what not. Then, he told me that he is going to hire this woman...because frankly you don't have big tits like this woman has." He giggles. (I am really pissed off because...I went through two separate interviews there. Went through a psychological test. (Didn't get results on.) And now this fuck just told me that he was hiring a woman based on her breasts.

Well, this "manager" hired her. Karma is always a serendipitous thing...the manager who hired the female with the "big tits" got fired three months later. And big tits took HIS job. So I smile. But to this day, you could never pay me enough to go shop at that place after my job interview experience. I have had a wallet full of money and walked right through that store didn't drop even a penny there.

People can be really elusive on discrimination.

Every fight for equal rights was fought one step at a time. Many States already prohibit discrimination in the work place based on sexual orientation. The fight for same sex marriage is one more step. The Supreme court has resisted confering "protected class" status on homosexuals. I think this has a lot to do with past disagreements over the "nature v. nurture" argument. Times have changed and it is much more widely accepted that people are born homosexual. Younger generations are more accepting than their elders. As a result, I think we will soon see Court decisions and/or legislation at the Federal level protecting gay workers. Of course a big step in tbis firection would be to ensure Mitt Romney is not elected President.

gay marriage is not a issue in missouri.

Since when is it professional to discuss sexuality in the workplace?

To be blunt being gay boils down to sexual preference, and it is never acceptable to discuss sexuality in a workplace environment. Gay, Bi or straight, if you make sexuality a dominant topic, you're canned. And you don't get to play the "They fired me because I'm gay" card.

Perfection only requires the belief of the beholder, and the bewilderment of the beheld.

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Do I detect a theme here? In my experience expressions of sexuality happen all the time in the workplace. Very low key, to be sure, but people make assumptions of appropriate behaviour all the time, including it being appropriate to flirt. If you are gay then you either accept these assumptions that you are not, or mildly let it be known they are inappropriate. And at once we get into the issue of bias against sexual preference.

I work for "da gubment" (and that's all I will say about that). I have seen sexual deviancy occur in the workplace on a scale that one would never believe could occur in that kind of setting environment, but it does--and it is anything but low-key. As a matter of fact it's un-apologetically in your face. For example, with my own two eyes I've witnessed:
- A woman suck her bosses fingertip to simulate oral sex, right in front of everyone
- A married manager in a very high position regularly take his mistress into his office for noisy lunchtime sex that we could both hear and smell
- People sneaking upstairs to "inspect" the building and "check inventory", then hearing them go at it over our heads
- An employee giving her boss a half-nude, lunchtime rubdown on top of her desk; she claimed that it was because he complained of back pain and she was a former masseuse. Did I mention when they were caught, he was laying on his back (not his stomach) and her blouse was unbuttoned?
- Disgruntled wives coming into the building to beat the rump of the woman she knew was sleeping with her husband--and then watching said wives see their husbands pull up outside in the parking lot with the tramp in question in the passenger seat

I could go on and on and on and on, but I won't. All of these incidents have something in common: they were blazingly hetero. No 2 dudes or 2 dudettes--because if they were, they would have been fired. That's right, fired. No questions asked, no explanations--their careers would have been finished. Whether by design or not, if they do it for one, they should do it for everyone. Oh, but wait...there would be no workforce left if they went all hetero on the sexual harassment/behavior unbecoming a government employee policy ...

How can something that is so wrong feel so damned right...?

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But the reality is that anyone is against gays and lesbians are on the wrong side of history.

What I hate in life is how certain religious people "cherry pick" their sins from religious text like the Bible. Most Protestant Evangelicals do not believe in "degrees" of sins as is the case with the Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Church, but condemn homosexuality and abortion like there is no tomorrow. All the other sins like paying athletes zillions of dollars to run a a ball on a field, destroying god's green planet, living in McMansions while people are dying of starvation, and people terrorizing people on a daily basis (bullying) are just overlooked as "being no big deal". Let's just go after the queers and the abortionists (wow, that makes a lot of sense -- seems based more on culture than true spirituality)

Most Christians have one god: $$$$$$$ (They just refuse to admit it).

Most religious folks are complete and utter jokes; but there is one man who is should be listened to, even if there is such a thing as modern-day "sage":
Yongey Mingyur Rinpoche

And you thought you had a big johnson!

You're working on alot of assumptions there, to include your opening remark. Don't dance around an accusation; be grown up and voice it in plain language. Don't mince words behind esoteric phrasing.

And an office is a professional environment where work is conducted. I'm also in government and what Tee&A voiced above has NEVER been my experience in 12+ years. If something is wrong and you do not report it, you allow disruptions and unprofessionalism like that to remain, you've got zero grounds to complain or make remarks in here. I know for a fact throughout the government services this is a zero tolerance issue.

Sexuality has no play in a professional setting. You can be whatever preference you want to be as long as you are professional and respectful of others, and if you are dismissed without cause then you have a case.

I don't talk politics or religion in my workplace, even though these aspects define me partly. I also do not discuss my sexuality either. If it makes even 1 person uncomfortable to hear my views, that disrupts my effectiveness in the work environment.

Perfection only requires the belief of the beholder, and the bewilderment of the beheld.

It's not professional, but even the best of us let little cues slip from time to time.

Let me give you a common example. Do you have any coworkers who wear a wedding ring? Are you able to infer his/her sexuality from a cue that subtle? Of course!

What if his/her spouse comes to visit at work? It does happen...

Not in my line of work, not anymore. I'm usually not that observant, someone has to bring it up, but even once I know I dismiss it. I realize I am not everyone and everyone has their own tolerances for appropriate discussion, but like the analogy of the weakest link in the chain there's the lowest threshold tolerance in the office.

Big difference between "I'm married" and "I'm porking my wife/husband girlfriend/boyfriend nightly." I have a boss who when he first met me talked about his new wife and how he loved fucking her.. I told him I didn't want to hear about it and to drop the subject. He apologized and it hasn't been an issue since.

If someone is kicked from a job where they are professional, studious and meet or exceed the expectations of their superiors, and they are let go because the higher-ups found out they were gay I would fight for them till I was blue in the face. That is wrong.

If they are fired because they made being gay a disruptive factor in their employment....just like any person with a religious affiliation going out of their way to preach to office mates...then I wholly understand their dismissial. You're there to work.

Perfection only requires the belief of the beholder, and the bewilderment of the beheld.

As would I. You said it very well...disruptive factor. Being gay or straight or bi or asexual is not the same as shoving it in everyone's face.

I'm asexual. Frankly, I find public displays of affection repellent...but I'm also a realist, and accept that most people do not have that hangup. It's the other side of that argument. Though I find public affection distasteful, I do not begrudge it to others.

Precisely.

I was just pointing out that even the best workers aren't robots...we all let things slip through.

In the nearly 20 years I've worked for the government I've had 12 different duty locations and have reported theft, cooked books, misuse of government property and sexual harassment numerous times; I have never reported sexual misconduct outside of harassment. I don't care enough about what people do with their genitalia to actually go to another manager and say, "Um, yeah...Mr. Q and Mrs. R are having S in the bathroom." If you haven't seen what I described in my original post that's great--but it isn't indicative of the whole picture. If I hadn't seen/heard what I posted then I wouldn't have believed it, either--but it does happen.

How can something that is so wrong feel so damned right...?

I understand that, there are many who do not let it interfere with their day-to-day. But we both know we don't cater to the people who don't care, we cater to the one offended party. I know it does happen, when I know about it first hand it stops. You're a different person than me, but I think you also know that a bad situation you know about that draws IG into the mix becomes far worse for yourself.

This is all completely off-topic minus the part about not caring what people do with their genitals.....as long as it isn't happening at work I am in complete agreement.

Perfection only requires the belief of the beholder, and the bewilderment of the beheld.