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Old 07-16-2006   #31 (permalink)
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Let me set the record straight regarding a few truth's and a few myth's, most specifically regarding anabolic/androgenic hormones:

1) There are two different "classes" of steroids. Anabolic, and Cortico.

Corticosteroids are used to get rid of inflamations of a wide variety and are actually "catabolic" meaning that they break tissue down rather than build it up. A common one is called Prednisone...which is widely prescribed to both children and adults in mass quantities, depite the fact that they are known to be both hepatoxic and renal toxic after prolonged usage.

Anabolic steroids are "tissue-creating" hormones. Their molecular structure is identical, or closely related to the male hormone testosterone, which is responsible for all male characteristics. These are only prescribed for a limited amount of reasons, a few of which are :

1)Hypogonadism: the inability of the testicles to produce sufficient testosterone for the body because of either injury, or other hormone-related disturbances in the HPTA (hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular-axis). Your own OmahaBeef is hypogonadal via injury and I recieve bi-monthly testosterone injections.

2) Diseases that cause rapid decrease in body tissue are treated with AAS.

3)Children who are unable to properly grow and/or begin the sequence of puberty.


Side Effects of Anabolic Steroids...facts and myths:

1) Shrunken testicles....FACT: When the hormones are introduced to the body that are not originally its own, the pituitary gland detects and abundance of the anabolic hormone. As a saftey precation, the body "shuts down" the testicles in order to not "overload" the system. The result is inactive testicles that reduce in size approximately 20-25% at worst. Upon stopping the use of outside hormones, the body kicks back into gear and the testicles start back up again and regain their size. Drugs such as HCG (the pregnancy hormone), Clomid (the fertility drug), and Nolvadex(for breat cancer) are often used by bodybuilders to help re-start the system as quickly as possible.

2) Shrunken Penis.....MYTH! : There is no data whatsoever done by any medical research NOR any evidence given from actual bodybuilders that this occurs. Rather, it is often said that steroid users report more frequent, harder, and more sizable erections while on steroids...particularly testosterone.

3) Roid Rage....MTYH! : There is also ZERO eveidence that anabolic hormones produce some sort of tantrum, uncontrollable rage, angry demetia or whatever the media wants you to believe. ZERO. NONE. The myth began during the 70's and 80's when men on trial for violent crimes attempted to concoct a defense in a court of law. They were often backed up by psychologists who would testify that ""theoretically"" testosterone is what separates the passive shyness of females from the aggressive behavior of males in the animal kingdom. As typical with our mass media...the press took the ball and ran with it, and anti-doping officials and supporters flew this flag as much as possible to create the Anabolic Steroid Control Act in 1990.

If you ask 99% of steroid users how they "feel" on cycle, they will tell you they feel more calm and the feeling of "well-being" has increased.

3) Steroids cause baldness....Myth AND Fact! : Male pattern baldness is purely genetic, and in a regular person, the hair will fall out in due time. When anabolic steroids are used, dihydrotestosterone is increased and someone who has the gene for baldness WILL BALD FASTER THAN NORMAL. If a person does NOT have the gene for male pattern baldness....no amount of steroids in the world will cause them to lose their hair (see: Jay Cutler).

4) Anabolic steroids will make your heart/liver/kidneys fall out and die....

A) There is ZERO evidence of cardiac failure attributed to steroid use directly. However, in theory, there ""could"" be problems with people using supraphysiological amounts for an unlimited amount of time, especially the hormones that are not identical to testosterone itself but are yet anabolic. For example...anabolic hormones MAY increase LDL and decrease HDL...which later down the road could increase the likleyhood of heart attack/ failure. You can also achive such an affect by simply eating like the typical American and being a lazy-ass in general :)

B) Liver: ORAL...(pills) steroids are molecularly structured to survive 2 passes through the liver to be metabolized. In high, frequent, and long-term use...the 17-AA molecular structure CAN IN FACT be hepatoxic. However, it is NOT the hormone in itself which is the culprit for the liver toxins. Tylenol, Ibuprofin, and any other over-the-counter drug in pill form has the exact same molecular structure and CAN CAUSE THE EXACT SAME DAMAGE as taking an oral steroid. Didn't know that did ya? NOW....steroids given via intramuscular injection are NOT...repeat....NOT...hepatoxic, because the hormone is in its purest form and does not need to be metabolized whatsoever, especially if it is testosterone itself.

Kidney: Kidney failure can be from a number of factors, but steroid use is not one of them. Competetive bodybuilders occasionally suffer from renal problems not because of anabolic hormones, but rather CONSTANT AND EXTREME USE OF DIURETICS! Andreas Munzer is a perfect example. He was on every steroid in the book for years and enjoyed excellent health. To achieve a better placing, he used an ungodly amount of prescription diuretics...even more than the typical bodybuilder....and it resulted in his death. Though the autopsy report clearly stated that he had died of renal failure, the anti-steroid campaign adopted Munzer as one of thier poster-boys for the ASCA of 1990.

Lyle Alzado...the famous Oakland Raider...has also been the rallying cry for the anti-doping legions. Lyle died of brain cancer, and though his own doctors and every medical expert in the world mentioned the impossibility of steroid use causing it, Lyle asserted that the steroids are what caused his own demise.


5) Steroids are addicting....MTYH!: Though a user may feel psychologically addicted to using these drugs, there is no form of withdrawl from a physical standpoint. If you look at the federally controlled substances, steroids are practically in a category of their own...ie they have the potential to be abused, yet they do not cause the same craving or withdrawl as say...heroin.

Food for thought:

*In 1990, when Congress was trying to effectively ban steroids and federally control them, both the AMA (American Medical Association) and the DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency) fought tooth-and-nail to keep steroids OFF the controlled substances list...because there was zero medical evidence backing up what Congess wanted to hear, and controlling them would misallocate DEA resources that could be fighting things like coke, meth, heroin, etc.

*There are millions of steroid users in the UnitedStates at any given time. The average steroid user is a college-educated, married father in his 30's with no criminal history. The media would rather you believe them to be a hulking Jeffrey Dahmer.


To conclude, I am writing this extensive post because there is far more misinformation out there at your disposal than actual information. I highly recommend the book: Legal Muscle...by Rick Collins. I can say from personal experience that it is quite the eye-opener! I neither condone nor condemn those who use steroids. I am very much a social libertarian. Though I am very much into lifting weights, I do not use steroids because I have other priorities in life and the legal risks outweigh the benefits of using them. Period.


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Old 07-16-2006   #32 (permalink)
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Very interesting Omahabeef. Big, hung, smart...hmmm...why are all the good guys straight?????
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Old 07-16-2006   #33 (permalink)
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ok now this shit is sexy right here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by OmahaBeef
Let me set the record straight regarding a few truth's and a few myth's, most specifically regarding anabolic/androgenic hormones:

1) There are two different "classes" of steroids. Anabolic, and Cortico.

Corticosteroids are used to get rid of inflamations of a wide variety and are actually "catabolic" meaning that they break tissue down rather than build it up. A common one is called Prednisone...which is widely prescribed to both children and adults in mass quantities, depite the fact that they are known to be both hepatoxic and renal toxic after prolonged usage.

Anabolic steroids are "tissue-creating" hormones. Their molecular structure is identical, or closely related to the male hormone testosterone, which is responsible for all male characteristics. These are only prescribed for a limited amount of reasons, a few of which are :

1)Hypogonadism: the inability of the testicles to produce sufficient testosterone for the body because of either injury, or other hormone-related disturbances in the HPTA (hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular-axis). Your own OmahaBeef is hypogonadal via injury and I recieve bi-monthly testosterone injections.

2) Diseases that cause rapid decrease in body tissue are treated with AAS.

3)Children who are unable to properly grow and/or begin the sequence of puberty.


Side Effects of Anabolic Steroids...facts and myths:

1) Shrunken testicles....FACT: When the hormones are introduced to the body that are not originally its own, the pituitary gland detects and abundance of the anabolic hormone. As a saftey precation, the body "shuts down" the testicles in order to not "overload" the system. The result is inactive testicles that reduce in size approximately 20-25% at worst. Upon stopping the use of outside hormones, the body kicks back into gear and the testicles start back up again and regain their size. Drugs such as HCG (the pregnancy hormone), Clomid (the fertility drug), and Nolvadex(for breat cancer) are often used by bodybuilders to help re-start the system as quickly as possible.

2) Shrunken Penis.....MYTH! : There is no data whatsoever done by any medical research NOR any evidence given from actual bodybuilders that this occurs. Rather, it is often said that steroid users report more frequent, harder, and more sizable erections while on steroids...particularly testosterone.

3) Roid Rage....MTYH! : There is also ZERO eveidence that anabolic hormones produce some sort of tantrum, uncontrollable rage, angry demetia or whatever the media wants you to believe. ZERO. NONE. The myth began during the 70's and 80's when men on trial for violent crimes attempted to concoct a defense in a court of law. They were often backed up by psychologists who would testify that ""theoretically"" testosterone is what separates the passive shyness of females from the aggressive behavior of males in the animal kingdom. As typical with our mass media...the press took the ball and ran with it, and anti-doping officials and supporters flew this flag as much as possible to create the Anabolic Steroid Control Act in 1990.

If you ask 99% of steroid users how they "feel" on cycle, they will tell you they feel more calm and the feeling of "well-being" has increased.

3) Steroids cause baldness....Myth AND Fact! : Male pattern baldness is purely genetic, and in a regular person, the hair will fall out in due time. When anabolic steroids are used, dihydrotestosterone is increased and someone who has the gene for baldness WILL BALD FASTER THAN NORMAL. If a person does NOT have the gene for male pattern baldness....no amount of steroids in the world will cause them to lose their hair (see: Jay Cutler).

4) Anabolic steroids will make your heart/liver/kidneys fall out and die....

A) There is ZERO evidence of cardiac failure attributed to steroid use directly. However, in theory, there ""could"" be problems with people using supraphysiological amounts for an unlimited amount of time, especially the hormones that are not identical to testosterone itself but are yet anabolic. For example...anabolic hormones MAY increase LDL and decrease HDL...which later down the road could increase the likleyhood of heart attack/ failure. You can also achive such an affect by simply eating like the typical American and being a lazy-ass in general :)

B) Liver: ORAL...(pills) steroids are molecularly structured to survive 2 passes through the liver to be metabolized. In high, frequent, and long-term use...the 17-AA molecular structure CAN IN FACT be hepatoxic. However, it is NOT the hormone in itself which is the culprit for the liver toxins. Tylenol, Ibuprofin, and any other over-the-counter drug in pill form has the exact same molecular structure and CAN CAUSE THE EXACT SAME DAMAGE as taking an oral steroid. Didn't know that did ya? NOW....steroids given via intramuscular injection are NOT...repeat....NOT...hepatoxic, because the hormone is in its purest form and does not need to be metabolized whatsoever, especially if it is testosterone itself.

Kidney: Kidney failure can be from a number of factors, but steroid use is not one of them. Competetive bodybuilders occasionally suffer from renal problems not because of anabolic hormones, but rather CONSTANT AND EXTREME USE OF DIURETICS! Andreas Munzer is a perfect example. He was on every steroid in the book for years and enjoyed excellent health. To achieve a better placing, he used an ungodly amount of prescription diuretics...even more than the typical bodybuilder....and it resulted in his death. Though the autopsy report clearly stated that he had died of renal failure, the anti-steroid campaign adopted Munzer as one of thier poster-boys for the ASCA of 1990.

Lyle Alzado...the famous Oakland Raider...has also been the rallying cry for the anti-doping legions. Lyle died of brain cancer, and though his own doctors and every medical expert in the world mentioned the impossibility of steroid use causing it, Lyle asserted that the steroids are what caused his own demise.


5) Steroids are addicting....MTYH!: Though a user may feel psychologically addicted to using these drugs, there is no form of withdrawl from a physical standpoint. If you look at the federally controlled substances, steroids are practically in a category of their own...ie they have the potential to be abused, yet they do not cause the same craving or withdrawl as say...heroin.

Food for thought:

*In 1990, when Congress was trying to effectively ban steroids and federally control them, both the AMA (American Medical Association) and the DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency) fought tooth-and-nail to keep steroids OFF the controlled substances list...because there was zero medical evidence backing up what Congess wanted to hear, and controlling them would misallocate DEA resources that could be fighting things like coke, meth, heroin, etc.

*There are millions of steroid users in the UnitedStates at any given time. The average steroid user is a college-educated, married father in his 30's with no criminal history. The media would rather you believe them to be a hulking Jeffrey Dahmer.


To conclude, I am writing this extensive post because there is far more misinformation out there at your disposal than actual information. I highly recommend the book: Legal Muscle...by Rick Collins. I can say from personal experience that it is quite the eye-opener! I neither condone nor condemn those who use steroids. I am very much a social libertarian. Though I am very much into lifting weights, I do not use steroids because I have other priorities in life and the legal risks outweigh the benefits of using them. Period.


OmahaBeef
big C!!! if i had a vagina I woud be riding your cock all night long

sexy!

E

size does matter, but not in the way that you think....
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Old 07-16-2006   #34 (permalink)
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Excellent job ZipZav! Very well said...

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Old 07-17-2006   #35 (permalink)
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I think guys who are able to easily get big naturally would also have bigger penises on average. I have big muscles and a big penis, and I've always been bigger than everyone. I think someone with enough natural testosterone to easily produce a bodybuilder-esque physique also has enough for a big penis. Perhaps there are those who started out small and have spent ages trying to put on a decent amount of muscle, maybe they would have smaller penises. But I think for those who just look at the weights and grow, they also have bigger penises. Either way, this stereotype OBVIOUSLY comes from the association of steroids with bodybuilding and rumors surrounding that.
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Old 07-17-2006   #36 (permalink)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by younggun
I think guys who are able to easily get big naturally would also have bigger penises on average. I have big muscles and a big penis, and I've always been bigger than everyone. I think someone with enough natural testosterone to easily produce a bodybuilder-esque physique also has enough for a big penis. Perhaps there are those who started out small and have spent ages trying to put on a decent amount of muscle, maybe they would have smaller penises. But I think for those who just look at the weights and grow, they also have bigger penises. Either way, this stereotype OBVIOUSLY comes from the association of steroids with bodybuilding and rumors surrounding that.
and that's exactly what it is , a stereotype (that is unfounded).
i have the frame of a body builder...not quite as huge as omahabeef...but i have the bodytype and natural muscle mass and high testosterone levels to be a really huge meat head. (slowly becoming)

I guess i stood in the wrong line when penises were being assigned....

E

size does matter, but not in the way that you think....
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Old 07-17-2006   #37 (permalink)
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bodybuilding doesnt effect to penis size I think, but may decrease sex drive if u have 4-5 days hard training program.Im into bodybuilding about 5 years and bb didnt shrink my penis . But using some steroids long term cause testicle shrink...
+when your body getting huge, thats make your penis looks more smaller relativitly
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Old 07-17-2006   #38 (permalink)
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its nice to read stuff on a board thats fun and educational. thanks guys.

maybe i am being too much of a puritan, but i still find it preferable for guys to work their bodies naturally versus putting chemicals into their system to gain quicker results. but some like the extremely big bulky look. am not in that camp.

was surprised to read prednizone is considered hepatoxic. i had liver troubles a little over a year ago, and that was one of the prescribed medications. the doctor was no quack either - he's done years of research, written extensively on the subject and works out of johns hopkins. hmmmm.

btw, it DID cause some hair loss, but it grew back.
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Old 07-17-2006   #39 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by CUBE
Very interesting Omahabeef. Big, hung, smart...hmmm...why are all the good guys straight?????
This is a hypothetical question?
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Old 07-17-2006   #40 (permalink)
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After so long of a time spent on this thread full of interesting and useful perspectives, I hate to offer a note of dissent, but at full risk I am going to do so anyway. This is it: Not everyone thinks that a bodybuilder with a small endowment is a BAD thing. Some of us actually like that bodytype. It can be incredibly sexy. The idea that they should stay out of the gym because they are "just compensating," even when it is true, is fairly small minded. Why the hell shouldn't they be allowed to compensate? If you think about it, the idea buried in there is that small sized guys shouldn't be allowed to have any positive attributes because once they are born small they need to stay in their place and feel perpetually humilated. (To the contrary, shouldn't we praise people for the thing they actually work for - their muscle - instead of the thing that they inherit - the propensity toward a large penis.)

The large number of very well endowed body builders on this site give lie the basic premise of this thread, but I also want to challenge the hidden assumption that only large penises are worthy of respect or admiration. (Some people are here because they have one, but that doesn't mean they think they are better than others because of it.)

A beautiful body is a wonderful thing, and as has been repeatedly noted here, penises of all sizes and shapes come attached to them. Let's praise diversity in all things, size included.

My friends just call me "Doc."
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Old 08-03-2006   #41 (permalink)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OmahaBeef
Let me set the record straight regarding a few truth's and a few myth's, most specifically regarding anabolic/androgenic hormones:

5) Steroids are addicting....MTYH!: Though a user may feel psychologically addicted to using these drugs, there is no form of withdrawl from a physical standpoint. If you look at the federally controlled substances, steroids are practically in a category of their own...ie they have the potential to be abused, yet they do not cause the same craving or withdrawl as say...heroin.

OmahaBeef
OmahaBeef speaks the truth. (awesome post.) I would like to add one point of clarification on point 5:

Although steriods are not "physically" addicting, there is an indirect form of physical addiction that results when external testosterone is withdrawn. During the post cycle period, the body is struggling to turn on the natural production of testosterone. The recovery period can be very (very) painful, and both bodybuilders and those on hormone replacement therapy (HRT) who unfortunately were told by their doctors that they had to stop therapy (due to any number of health reasons) sometimes find that they have to go on another cycle to deal with the situation. In the case of bodybuilders, they are smart enough to use HCG and clomid during the post recovery period to minimize the effects. Unfortunately, HRT patients are guided by clueless doctors, doctors who in general do not know anything about HCG or clomid. The bottom line is that these patients suffer both the physical and psychological effects of being in near-zero hormone state. (Those in the medical profession who inflict pain should be castrated...)

By the way OmahoBeef, what dose and type of T (cypionate, etc) are you taking? Also, you mentioned that you are taking it every 2 weeeks. Is there any reason why you would not take it on a weekly basis (divide the bi-weekly dose in half)?
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Old 08-03-2006   #42 (permalink)
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I know some bodybuilders here in Romania with 8+ dicks. I can post their homepages (where they show their dicks), if you are interested.

10 inch monster cock - www.anaconda69.net.tc
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Old 08-03-2006   #43 (permalink)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OmahaBeef
I know what you mean! I know this guy in Omaha who is aabout 6-2 and 300+ pounds of muscle and only packs a measley 8x7...

It's so soooo true...

OmahaBeef
Wow, the stats sounds so hot!! Any pics of him?

Chubby guy with a big cock is the HOTTEST. Show me the pictures!
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Old 08-03-2006   #44 (permalink)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OmahaBeef
I know what you mean! I know this guy in Omaha who is aabout 6-2 and 300+ pounds of muscle and only packs a measley 8x7...

It's so soooo true...

OmahaBeef
Poor lil feller. Send me his name and address. I'll send him a sympathy card.

Actually, I know some guys like you and a whole lot of big men with average to small. It's all in the genes, and briefs too. ;)
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Old 08-03-2006   #45 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by hootie
Poor lil feller. Send me his name and address. I'll send him a sympathy card.

Actually, I know some guys like you and a whole lot of big men with average to small. It's all in the genes, and briefs too. ;)
I know what you mean. Almost all the big hot guys have average to small cocks. Actually, maybe a lot of them have "average" size cock but average looks small on them and small cock looks tiny. :(

This OmahaBeef guy is extremely hot. Too bad he is 100% straight.. ugh. I hope he doesn't get offended.

Chubby guy with a big cock is the HOTTEST. Show me the pictures!
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