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Old 01-21-2013   #1606 (permalink)
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Most people killed by gun violence are in the lower economic sphere and we all know those people don't matter to the elites..
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Old 01-21-2013   #1607 (permalink)
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That's so true, because white kids had to be killed before all this gun control commotion went down from the left, but black kids are killed in the inner city all day long and not a peep out of the same politicians.
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Old 01-21-2013   #1608 (permalink)
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Disgusting piece. We all know that 75% of deliberate gun murders are gang/inter criminal related. Are you going to stoop this low to use this to let you keep your WMD, but of course you are. Who would have expected anything less?

A link should support your point, not be your point.
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Old 01-21-2013   #1609 (permalink)
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Why would you take my "wmd" from me, when I do not break any laws?
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Old 01-21-2013   #1610 (permalink)
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Disgusting piece. We all know that 75% of deliberate gun murders are gang/inter criminal related. Are you going to stoop this low to use this to let you keep your WMD, but of course you are. Who would have expected anything less?
It's a schtick that's worked for a long time: don't make racist statements, just repeatedly point to articles that do it... or mention the "heterogeneous" problem relating to violence in the US... and ignore the fact that almost all domestic terrorists are white.

When the head of the NRA says he's fine with criminal background checks he's not really making a concession, because he thinks that it will only disarm black people. He's in for a big surprise because there will be extensive national checks withing a few years.

It's interesting that the article states that guns are used more often to intimidate than for self-defense:
Using data from a national random-digit-dial telephone survey conducted under the direction of the Harvard Injury Control Center, we examined the extent and nature of offensive gun use. We found that firearms are used far more often to frighten and intimidate than they are used in self-defense. All reported cases of criminal gun use, as well as many of the so-called self-defense gun uses, appear to be socially undesirable.
This suggests that guns do more good than harm.

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Why would you take my "wmd" from me, when I do not break any laws?
30 shots in 27 seconds. 12 dead.

"As a crowd gathers 'round an angry young man face down on the street with a gun in his hand, In the ghetto. As her young man dies, on a cold and gray Chicago mornin'..." - Elvis Presley
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Old 01-21-2013   #1611 (permalink)
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Oh, did I massacre 12 people and not know it?
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Old 01-21-2013   #1612 (permalink)
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Just saying that Drifter has a point: a semi-auto can be arguably considered a WMD.

"As a crowd gathers 'round an angry young man face down on the street with a gun in his hand, In the ghetto. As her young man dies, on a cold and gray Chicago mornin'..." - Elvis Presley
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Old 01-21-2013   #1613 (permalink)
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So you're saying that the DHS supports the use of WMDs for self defense?
Department of Homeland Security: Sport rifle (AR-15) “suitable for personal defense” | Radio Vice Online

This is getting way too fucking loony from you guys.

Lots of people carrying guns at the capitol rallies over the weekend. And not a single person was killed. Strange...

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Old 01-21-2013   #1615 (permalink)
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So you're saying that the DHS supports the use of WMDs for self defense?
Department of Homeland Security: Sport rifle (AR-15) “suitable for personal defense” | Radio Vice Online
That article is intentionally vague. It's based on a report on the effectiveness of the AR-15 for DHS officers, not for home use or by untrained civilians.

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Lots of people carrying guns at the capitol rallies over the weekend. And not a single person was killed. Strange...
Actually, the AR-15 was used to kill 5 people by the teenager in New Mexico this weekend.

"As a crowd gathers 'round an angry young man face down on the street with a gun in his hand, In the ghetto. As her young man dies, on a cold and gray Chicago mornin'..." - Elvis Presley
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Old 01-21-2013   #1616 (permalink)
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That's one nutjob who hated his family. Couple hundred to a couple thousand people gathered at capitols around the nation. And not a single person was shot there.
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Old 01-21-2013   #1617 (permalink)
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That's one nutjob who hated his family. Couple hundred to a couple thousand people gathered at capitols around the nation. And not a single person was shot there.
So, not having a mass murder is a "good day" these days?

"As a crowd gathers 'round an angry young man face down on the street with a gun in his hand, In the ghetto. As her young man dies, on a cold and gray Chicago mornin'..." - Elvis Presley
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Old 01-21-2013   #1618 (permalink)
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That's one nutjob who hated his family. Couple hundred to a couple thousand people gathered at capitols around the nation. And not a single person was shot there.
There could have been a lot of shoving and a lot of yelling and probably an arrest or two if any of the local law enforcement professionals had intervened and asked to see licenses and/or concealed carry permits (as they are statutorily allowed to do).

LE professionals knew that and in Colorado were advised to NOT engage any demonstrators unless they showed 'obvious' signs of agitation or appeared to be threatening others physically or verbally. Everyone was on their best behavior and it ended up being a non-news item that garnered above 30 seconds of coverage on the local news.

But I think the fact that 'no shots were fired' misses the point of regulation. That's like saying we shouldn't try to preclude the proliferation of nuclear weapons... after all, there were 4,100 active nuclear warheads last year in the world and nobody used them.

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"From a high of 65,000 active weapons in 1985, there are now some 4,100 active nuclear warheads and some 17,000 total nuclear warheads in the world in 2012."

"Federation of American Scientists: Status of World Nuclear Forces". Fas.org. Retrieved 2012-12-27.

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Old 01-21-2013   #1619 (permalink)
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Shoving and arrests? This ain't your OWS rally.
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Old 01-21-2013   #1620 (permalink)
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Safety, or freedom?
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Illegal gun possession, like illegal drug possession, is a consensual offense. There is no victim to complain to the police. Accordingly, in order to find illegal guns, the Japanese police are given broad search and seizure powers. The basic firearms law permits a policeman to search a person's belongings if the officer judges there is 'sufficient suspicion that a person is carrying a fire-arm, a sword or a knife' or if he judges that a person 'is likely to endanger life or body of other persons judging reasonably from his abnormal behavior or any other surrounding circumstances'.[32] Once a weapon is found, the policeman may confiscate it. Even if the confiscation is later admitted to be an error, the firearm is sometimes not returned.[33](p.29)

In practice, the special law for weapons searches is not necessary, since the police routinely search at will. They ask suspicious characters to show them what is in their purse or sack.[34] In the rare cases where a policeman's search (for a gun or any other contraband) is ruled illegal, it hardly matters; the Japanese courts permit the use of illegally seized evidence.[35] And legal rules aside, Japanese, both criminals and ordinary citizens, are much the more willing than their American counterparts to consent to searches and to answer questions from the police.[36]

'Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police...' explains the Japanese National Police Agency. In twice-a-year visit, officers fill out Residence Information Cards about who lives where and which family member to contact in case of emergency, what relation people in the house have to each other, what kind of work they do, if they work late, and what kind of cars they own.[37] The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure that no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.[38]

The close surveillance of gun owners and householders comports with the police tradition of keeping close tabs on many private activities.[39] For example, the nation's official year-end police report includes statistics like 'Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct'. The police recorded 9,402 such incidents in 1985, and determined that 37.4 per cent of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had sex 'voluntarily'. The two leading reasons for having sex voluntarily were 'out of curiosity' for 19.6 per cent, and 'liked particular boy', for 18.1 per cent.[40] The fact that police keep records on sex is simply a reflection of their keeping an eye on everything, including guns. Every person is the subject of a police dossier.[41]

Almost everyone accepts the paradigm that the police should be respected. Because the police are so esteemed, the Japanese people co-operate with their police more than Americans do. Co-operation with the police also extends to obeying the laws which almost everyone believes in. The Japanese people, and even the large majority of Japanese criminals, voluntarily obey the gun controls.

There is no right to bear arms in Japan. In practical terms, there is no right to privacy against police searches. Other Western-style rights designed to protect citizens from a police state are also non-existent or feeble in Japan.

After the arrest, a suspect may be detained without bail for up to 28 days before the prosecutor brings the suspect before a judge.[42] Even after the 28 day period is completed, detention in a Japanese police station may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Rearrest on another charge, bekken taihö, is a common police tactic for starting the suspect on another 28 day interrogation process. 'Rearrest' may (p.30)occur while the suspect is still being held at the police station on the first charge. Some defendants may be held for several months without ever being brought before a judge.[43] Courts approve 99.5 per cent of prosecutors' requests for detentions.[44]

Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a suspect in custody, and those meetings are strictly limited. In the months while a suspect is held prisoner, the defense counsel may see his or her client for one to five meetings lasting about 15 minutes each. Even that access will be denied if it hampers the police investigation. While under detention, suspects can be interrogated 12 hours a day, allowed to bathe only every fifth day, and may be prohibited from standing up, lying down, or leaning against the wall of their jail cells.[45] Amnesty International calls the Japanese police custody system a 'flagrant violation of United Nations human rights principles'.[46]

The confession rate is 95 per cent.[47] As a Tokyo police sergeant observes, 'It is no use to protest against power'.[48] Suspects are not allowed to read confessions before they sign them, and suspects commonly complain that their confession was altered after signature. The police use confession as their main investigative technique, and when that fails, they can become frustrated and angry. The Tokyo Bar Association states that the police routinely 'engage in torture or illegal treatment'. The Tokyo Bar is particularly critical of the judiciary for its near-total disinterest in coercion during the confession process. 'Even in cases where suspects claimed to have been tortured and their bodies bore physical traces to back their claims, courts have still accepted their confessions'.[49]
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