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Originally Posted by bigbull29 some very gay men have an aversion to women's bodies, and thus will never really fantasize about women. you bring up a good point.

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Old 01-22-2013   #16 (permalink)
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some very gay men have an aversion to women's bodies, and thus will never really fantasize about women.
you bring up a good point.
Old 01-22-2013   #17 (permalink)
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No, it's not the same: some very gay men have an aversion to women's bodies, and thus will never really fantasize about women. Straight men, for the most part, are not repulsed by the male body as they have are male themselves. So, men will have some degree of physical attraction to other males for this very reason (jealousy, big penis dominance, etc.)

You're confusing aesthetic attributes with sexual attraction...
...and I don't know what you mean by "jealousy and big penis dominance", perhaps they're something you assume straight guys are prone to.

Maybe you are?

I'm not.

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Old 01-23-2013   #18 (permalink)
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You're confusing aesthetic attributes with sexual attraction...
...and I don't know what you mean by "jealousy and big penis dominance", perhaps they're something you assume straight guys are prone to.

Maybe you are?

I'm not.
Well, in this regard, there is really is much of a difference between the two - one really implies the other. Read on:

Men are sexually attracted to their own penises and sexual maleness, and thus they will have some attraction to other men's by mere virtue of "mirror reflection". Also, men become somewhat attracted to men they find in ideal in some way (muscular/tall physique, penis size, etc). This is what is often referred to as as "jealously" attraction. Men can feel this with their favorite stud in porn, a weightlifting buddy, an admired athlete, or the co-worker who all the ladies swoon over.


No, I'm not saying that all straight men are secretly gay or bi, but rather that most heterosexual men have some degree of same-sex attraction. It would only be natural.

And you thought you had a big johnson!

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Old 01-23-2013   #19 (permalink)
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^^ Who is the source for this hypothesis, you seem so keen to promote and endorse?

It seems seems to be a bit of an idée fixe running through a number of your posts...

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Old 01-23-2013   #20 (permalink)
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I find nothing surprising about the article's assertion. And I don't think such a fantasy necessarily includes any desire for experiencing such an act. Fantasies are merely mental images brought on by an active imagination and inquisitive mind. Those are good things and, unless a person's creativity has been suppressed by puritanical dogma, thinking outside the box (pun intended) should be just as common in the sexual arena as anywhere else. The thought itself can be erotic without any concomitant need for first hand experience.

The article also states that the 4th most common such fantasy is getting a blow job from a guy. From what I've heard from my "totally straight" friends most of them have never experienced a truly good blow job. And many of them believe that women only perform oral sex as a necessary evil. Yet anyone who explores the subject at all will quickly learn that gay men who thoroughly enjoy giving good head are extremely common. That alone could be enough to conjure up fantasies of having a talented and enthusiastic male cock sucker working on one's dick.

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... Men are sexually attracted to their own penises and sexual maleness, and thus they will have some attraction to other men's by mere virtue of "mirror reflection" ...
Not at all sure what "mirror reflection" means, but this general concept is very much true in my case. It is what ultimately led me to leave the "totally straight" world behind me and expand my horizons to enjoying penises of all shapes, sizes, races and nationalities.

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... Also, men become somewhat attracted to men they find in ideal in some way (muscular/tall physique, penis size, etc). This is what is often referred to as as "jealously" attraction. Men can feel this with their favorite stud in porn, a weightlifting buddy, an admired athlete, or the co-worker who all the ladies swoon over ... most heterosexual men have some degree of same-sex attraction ...
Perhaps that is true of "most heterosexual men" but it's certainly not true in my case. I have admired a great many men for a great many reasons, but I can honestly say that in the context of this thread I've never found myself "attracted" to any of them. While I have been interpersonally attracted to many men, a number of whom have become close friends, I am assuming here that we're speaking of sexual attraction. I've never experienced a sexual attraction to any man, that's just the "straight" side of my sexuality. But I've often experienced a sexual attraction to a man's genitals and that totally defines the "bi" side of my sexuality.

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Old 01-23-2013   #21 (permalink)
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Abstract Conjecture, me thinks!

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Old 01-23-2013   #22 (permalink)
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No, it's not the same: some very gay men have an aversion to women's bodies, and thus will never really fantasize about women.
Well, for me...it isn't necessarily an aversion to women's bodies. I am not into women sexually...I am not attracted to women how they are...women do think differently...and if I were a straight man...I could understand the appeal.


While I have had a few fantasies about women...make no mistake... I am not bisexual. I think bisexuality is pretty interesting. I am just not that man. I am not straight. I am way exclusively homosexual.





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Old 01-23-2013   #23 (permalink)
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They do? And gay men have straight fantasies?

Tbh, I'd doubt this unless it's more of a theoretical mind-wander than a masturbatory fantasy - or they're bi.
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Old 01-23-2013   #24 (permalink)
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The same nonsense again and again. I just wish there was a class at school that could propperly educate us, when we are able to learn, what are the true powers of the sexual intercousre, with any sex, as a means of relieveing tension and bringing balance to our freaked-out city-trapped minds. Why should we be labelled as straight or bi ir gay or whatever? I prefer thinking using my mind and not my genitals. And probably this is what i do in order to decide for my partners, males or females. Both are yummy when they use their brains. Even this website tends to eliminate the freedom of sexual choice, by displaying the percentage of homo brain cells that occupy our heads. Spontaneity anyone? Freedom of choice anyone? The feeling of the butterfly effect when you see someone that makes you horny, that very, paticular moment and you want to be with them just because you are horny? Take care and enjoy sex whenever you can.
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Old 01-23-2013   #25 (permalink)
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Interesting but questionable methodology. I consider myself bisexual; if 1 were completely hetero and 10 were homo then I am between 5 and 7. That being said, I have never engaged in a sexual act with friends in the 1-3 range. I have, however, had very strong emotional bonds with several and have gone as far as cuddling and comforting each other.
Is that considered acting out same-sex fantasy or do we have to cross swords....or consider it....to count.

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Old 01-23-2013   #26 (permalink)
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"Mirror reflection" means "reflections of ourselves"; that is to say, our maleness reflected in others such as in the penis.

It's very obvious that men are attracted to penises - just look at straight porn where there abound without end. Men love to see big, strong and handsome penises - the ideal in physical masculinity. The sight of their own penis very much arouses then (exceptions), and so seeing others- particulary the "ideal" ones also evoke some level of arousal (men,in general, get aroused from the mere sight of penises). So this is more than mere aesthetic appreciation; it's a form of real sexual attraction. But, again, it says very little about the true sexual orientation of any man.

And you thought you had a big johnson!

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Old 01-23-2013   #27 (permalink)
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They do? And gay men have straight fantasies?

Tbh, I'd doubt this unless it's more of a theoretical mind-wander than a masturbatory fantasy - or they're bi.
I don't know that I would call my thoughts a real fantasy; however, I sometimes have great sexual thoughts and actual dreams involving deep and satisfying penetration of women and I love to watch straight porn where large vaginas and big cocks are involved! Not sure, maybe I have a penetration fantasy which manifests as heterosexual at times
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Old 01-23-2013   #28 (permalink)
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"Mirror reflection" means "reflections of ourselves"; that is to say, our maleness reflected in others such as in the penis.

It's very obvious that men are attracted to penises - just look at straight porn where there abound without end. Men love to see big, strong and handsome penises - the ideal in physical masculinity. The sight of their own penis very much arouses then (exceptions), and so seeing others- particulary the "ideal" ones also evoke some level of arousal (men,in general, get aroused from the mere sight of penises). So this is more than mere aesthetic appreciation; it's a form of real sexual attraction. But, again, it says very little about the true sexual orientation of any man.
I find it amusing that you have elected to speak for men as a whole; based largely, if not totally, upon your own perception of the way things are.

I do not find myself aroused by the sight of penises, my own or anyone else's.

Believe me, when I tell you that although I watch porn, I do so because of the arousal I feel by seeing the women involved, the cocks are merely a distraction; perhaps that's why I often prefer lesbian, or solo female porn.

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Old 01-23-2013   #29 (permalink)
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^^ Who is the source for this hypothesis, you seem so keen to promote and endorse?

It seems seems to be a bit of an idée fixe running through a number of your posts...

Bien sûr qu'il s'agit d'une "idée fixe" qui émane de pas mal de mes posts. Je ne dis que tout haut ce que pense tout le monde tout bas.

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Old 01-23-2013   #30 (permalink)
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It's the way you claim to speak on behalf of all men that is really beginning to grate...

If you could just begin to speak in the first person, or else give us a source for these sweeping generalisations you insist on including in your posts.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."

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