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I would love to see a Paul/Kucinich ticket. I have never acknowledged the concept of electibility as a reason for voting for anyone. That's saying you want to vote for the winner, not the best

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Old 01-08-2008   #16 (permalink)
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I would love to see a Paul/Kucinich ticket.

I have never acknowledged the concept of electibility as a reason for voting for anyone. That's saying you want to vote for the winner, not the best person for the job, not your conscience, not your beliefs. Your vote is secret. You don't win a prize for voting for the guy who wins.

Paul has integrity and wants to follow the constitution. That's what a president is there for and I think he's the right man. Are some of his policies extreme? YES! Because the constitution's policies are extreme! If decide to ignore the constitution as Bush does, in his words, "just a piece of paper," then we're not a nation of laws where no man is above the law. While there are people who do seem to be above the law, the important thing is the law does not acknowledge it. It's our misapplication of law which allows unfair treatment.

One also has to consider what Paul would actually be able to do. Presidents can't do much without congress and no president gets everything on his agenda. The more extreme or unpopular a policy, the more congress is likely to block it. That's the beauty of the system, or should be, until recently.

The single most important factor in our government is that it does not exist by any right other than that of the will of the people. How real that is in practicality is iffy though I do not believe our armed forces would participate in a coup. The integrity of our government derives from that single remarkable feat. Other governments the world over may be representative (or not). Other governments may be democratic, yet none owe the basis of their existence on the will of the people whom it represents. It is every American's right to dissolve the government when it ceases to function.

Bush sets a dangerous precedent of refusing to obey constitutional restraint in his policies. Our congress, which refuses to act as it is legally required to, is no less complicit. The foxes are watching the henhouse and nobody cares. That sort of thing happens when the people are fat, lazy, and don't care what happens because they see no change in their lives.

We're just a few short crises away from a de facto fascist state and don't think that isn't so. Ask people of 1928 Germany if they'd have fascism by 1933 and they'd laugh at you. So would the people of Italy and Spain. It's the misfortune of despots that they rarely see the revolution coming. Ceaucescu and his wife were gunned-down in their garden, the Romanovs and Bourbons didn't attempt escape until it was too late. Nobody ever sees it coming save the handful of people who have learned the signs of history.

I see those signs and I don't wish any of it on my country.

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Ron Paul is exasperating for me. He is sometimes amazingly right about an issue when all the others seem clueless. But he also has some pretty extreme and almost crackpot ideas about a few things. So he scares me like Ross Perot scared me.

On the other hand, that particular section in the NH debates was just as you described it. No one but Ron was willing to recognize that our foreign policy over the last 50 years or more is a huge factor in radical fundamental hatred of The West. Paul was right to mention us propping up brutal dictators (even Saddam at one point).

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Old 01-08-2008   #17 (permalink)
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A lot of people outside the USA sees the signs a few people in the USA sees, as pointed out so pertinently by Jason Els. If one points that out in any forum which is predominantly american, one is accused of being ignorant, in league with "terrorists" etc. So it is reassuring that some americans are not completely fooled that they are living in a democracy.
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Old 01-08-2008   #18 (permalink)
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When I watched the debates, I was humored by how direct Romney was about the immigration policy with McCain. Sadly, the democratic candidates never got into this issue. Romney kept asking McCain: "Would you give the illegals amnesty or send them back?" This is only one issue, and I'm far from an expert political analyst, but I'm not one for rewarding bad behavior. Send them all packing, get at the end of the line, and apply for citizenship the right way. All these foreigners here on expired visas - bye bye! They need to leave. People who won't assimilate and be an American - go back where you came from and don't let the door hit ya. When will the people of this country find their spines and quit wimping out about being so politically correct and afraid to offend someone? Australia has the right idea. "If you don't like our country and you don't want to fit in, maybe this isn't the right place for you". I love it! We need to take lessons from Australia. I speak 4 foreign languages - 2 fairly well. Why can't these losers learn English if they want to live here? Why isn't it a mandatory requirement? The California DMV gives drivers' tests in multiple languages. Great. They put these people on the roads and they can't read the signs. We can't rely on the president to make everything wonderful. It has to come from each and every one of us wanting to raise the bar. If we don't wake up as a society, we'll be overthrown due to our own apathy. I figure that I'll be dead and gone before it gets really bad, but I won't give up as long as I'm still breathing.
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Old 01-08-2008   #19 (permalink)
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I don't have to be restricted to Republicans to choose Fred Thompson.


However, if I had to vote for a Democrat, it would be Bill Richardson.
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Old 01-08-2008   #20 (permalink)
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I don't have to be restricted to Republicans to choose Fred Thompson. However, if I had to vote for a Democrat, it would be Bill Richardson.
That's interesting: you're supporting a corpse, and a man who loves life, respectively.
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Old 01-08-2008   #21 (permalink)
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I haven't Stooped to calling the candidates I despise, or laugh at, the names they so Richly deserve here in a public forum.
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Old 01-08-2008   #22 (permalink)
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if i had to pick a repub i'd go with mitt romney.
imo the worst of the worst is rudy guliani.
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Old 01-08-2008   #23 (permalink)
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Interesting point.

Via many of my friends and because I live in New York, I can tell you. Time and again I've asked my friends why they do not speak the language their grandparents, and frequently, their parents speak. I know many people of Italian heritage whose grandparents got off the boat with a handful of English expressions and didn't have an opportunity to learn English well. There were no TOEFL courses, no library assistance, and frequently no jobs. Today we see the same pattern with Mandarin and Russian speakers in New York. These people are fresh off the boat and while they may have to live in a ghetto (in the most formal sense of the word), they're determined that their kids do not. So many of the grandparents insisted their kids speak English outside the home, acting as translators within the home, and now people of my generation don't know the language of their grandparents because it was not allowed to be spoken! I've asked this because I suck at foreign languages and always thought being raised in a multilingual household would be great. If your parents spoke two languages then why didn't my friends learn them as well? Time and again the answer is the same, English was what the children would learn and only learn because the children had access to a public school system that would teach them English. The general exception to this is in the Hispanic communities where Spanish is alive and well as a dual language. All the second-generation people I know from Puerto Rico or other Spanish-speaking countries speak Spanish and English fluently. For whatever reason these cultures believe they can assimilate while maintaining at least some of their cultural identity via language.

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When I watched the debates, I was humored by how direct Romney was about the immigration policy with McCain. Sadly, the democratic candidates never got into this issue. Romney kept asking McCain: "Would you give the illegals amnesty or send them back?" This is only one issue, and I'm far from an expert political analyst, but I'm not one for rewarding bad behavior. Send them all packing, get at the end of the line, and apply for citizenship the right way. All these foreigners here on expired visas - bye bye! They need to leave. People who won't assimilate and be an American - go back where you came from and don't let the door hit ya. When will the people of this country find their spines and quit wimping out about being so politically correct and afraid to offend someone? Australia has the right idea. "If you don't like our country and you don't want to fit in, maybe this isn't the right place for you". I love it! We need to take lessons from Australia. I speak 4 foreign languages - 2 fairly well. Why can't these losers learn English if they want to live here? Why isn't it a mandatory requirement? The California DMV gives drivers' tests in multiple languages. Great. They put these people on the roads and they can't read the signs. We can't rely on the president to make everything wonderful. It has to come from each and every one of us wanting to raise the bar. If we don't wake up as a society, we'll be overthrown due to our own apathy. I figure that I'll be dead and gone before it gets really bad, but I won't give up as long as I'm still breathing.

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Old 01-08-2008   #24 (permalink)
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I don't have to be restricted to Republicans to choose Fred Thompson.


However, if I had to vote for a Democrat, it would be Bill Richardson.
Fred Thompson seems to be under the impression that he is running for Dogcatcher in Chatanooga. How is he expecting people to care about his campaign and vote for him, when he is giving the impression that he barely cares himself. Surely he didn't think that he would win the nomination and presidency by relying on the fact that he is a hollywood B-list actor, did he?
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Old 01-08-2008   #25 (permalink)
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Fred Thompson seems to be under the impression that he is running for Dogcatcher in Chatanooga. How is he expecting people to care about his campaign and vote for him, when he is giving the impression that he barely cares himself. Surely he didn't think that he would win the nomination and presidency by relying on the fact that he is a hollywood B-list actor, did he?
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Old 01-08-2008   #26 (permalink)
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According to Joe Biden, when Guiliani speaks his sentences contain a subject, a verb and 9/11. The man is limited and manipulatable. I hear that Carl Rove would be involved with his campaign, and that doesn't speak well to me.

I've upped my standards. Now up yours.
Don't think. Vote Republican.
People who make excessive generalizations are blowhards.
Don't hate me because you're You.
Everybody stereotypes.
Are we here now?
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Old 01-08-2008   #27 (permalink)
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I Always vote Republican....Guiliani 08
"that's does not scare me, what scares me is 9-11"












"9-11, I was mayor you know, 9-11"

I would like to take a ride on your disco stick.
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Old 01-08-2008   #28 (permalink)
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Project Vote Smart - Thompson - Biography

Scroll down to Political experience.
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Old 01-08-2008   #29 (permalink)
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I don't like either political party but I think Repubs suck worse than Dems.
It is sad that these losers are the best that America has to offer to run for public office. But I'm sure Democrats will win big this time, for the White House and the congress.
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Old 01-08-2008   #30 (permalink)
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Yet you not only opened and read this thread but actually posted a response, asinine though it was. Your time apparently isn't worth much at all.

I dont vote replubican because they always stand for hate, your reponse to my post is a typical backwoods hillbilly response.
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