Looked at the title of this thread only to realize I was the OP over a year ago. Talk about reviving a dead thread. How'd you do it, Musclebander? Check all my posts for the last 12 months? Originally posted it cause a bunch of us (Hellboy, njgt, Damian Johnson, Rico and Numbers) were talking about pulling a train and had to explain (in a lot of PM's) what the terminology meant to a lot of younger guys here; apparently none of whom had watched Falcon vids such as the Spokes series, etc.