Black American Men & Penis size

[Lex]

There being short guys with big dicks and tall guys with small dicks doesn't mean a general correlation can't exist....

Correct.

The fact that study after study show that no correlation exists is what means the correlation doesn't exist.

 

[B_superlarge]

Fact is that study after study? Can you provide any? I would like to see them. I've studied this subject. I can provide several studies quite contrary to what you said, not only the ones I described above, but doctor studies as well that say a correlation does exist. As far as what you said, I have seen a couple of very vague references before to doctor studies, but hardly any detail was provided. As I pointed out in the charts above, the overall average between tall and short does not show much of a difference (about 1/4" in those,), however, the outliners are where the differences become more pronounced. The two vaguely mentioned doctor studies were said to show only a little correlation (one newspaper tried to say NO correlation, but further investigation into the doctor study revealed that is not what the doctor had said, as the newspaper writer had no doubt spun it to fit his belief), but were so brief in news reports that it really appeared it was speaking about the average (in which there indeed isn't a lot of difference) and the outliners apparently weren't analyzed as could be ascertained from the way it was described.
For starters, besides the two charts from databases posted in detail earlier in this thread, here's a doctor study showing a correlation. Unfortunately detailed charts are almost impossible to come by, but at least this report/subject is not edited/misrepresented by some pc newspaper writer first (the vast majority of newspaper columnists are liberal). If I must I can provide more studies.
Penile length and circumference: a study on 3,300 ...[Eur Urol. 2001] - PubMed Result

 

[Lex]

Please also note the the existence of a correlation does not mean that there is causation.

Two things can happen in tandem very frequently (which establishes a correlation) without one thing making the second thing occur (causation).

Size happens like any other trait--we all carry genes for just about everything. This is how some short people can have very tall children. It's never as simple as to say that all _________ people have _________ trait/characteristic.

But hey, don't let me ruin anyone's fantasies.

If you want to believe that my dick is bigger than most, because I am black, I can not stop you.

If you want to believe that my dick is bigger than most because I am 6'2", I can not stop you.

If you want to believe that my dick is bigger than most because I wear a size 11.5-12.0 shoe, I can not stop you.

If you want to believe that my dick is bigger than most because I am 203 pounds, I can not stop you.

That being said, you would have a hard time convincing me (and a lot of people) that my dick is bigger for any other reason that it is what I was born with and it measures 8" x 6" (without a cock ring).

 

[B_superlarge]

What about all those studies you spoke of?

 

[Lex]

If you are so fascinated by them (I am not), please search this site for "Are Black Men Bigger?" by thread title and I am sure you will find thread after thread where member after member have pointed to study after study. I won't do your work for you (I've been here and debating this down for 4 years at least).

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

Fact is that study after study? Can you provide any? I would like to see them. I've studied this subject. I can provide several studies quite contrary to what you said, not only the ones I described above, but doctor studies as well that say a correlation does exist. As far as what you said, I have seen a couple of very vague references before to doctor studies, but hardly any detail was provided. As I pointed out in the charts above, the overall average between tall and short does not show much of a difference (about 1/4" in those,), however, the outliners are where the differences become more pronounced. The two vaguely mentioned doctor studies were said to show only a little correlation (one newspaper tried to say NO correlation, but further investigation into the doctor study revealed that is not what the doctor had said, as the newspaper writer had no doubt spun it to fit his belief), but were so brief in news reports that it really appeared it was speaking about the average (in which there indeed isn't a lot of difference) and the outliners apparently weren't analyzed as could be ascertained from the way it was described.
For starters, besides the two charts from databases posted in detail earlier in this thread, here's a doctor study showing a correlation. Unfortunately detailed charts are almost impossible to come by, but at least this report/subject is not edited/misrepresented by some pc newspaper writer first (the vast majority of newspaper columnists are liberal). If I must I can provide more studies.
Penile length and circumference: a study on 3,300 ...[Eur Urol. 2001] - PubMed Result

The word you want, superlarge, is outliers (no 'n').
I acknowledge that, at the larger end, the outliers might indeed be outliners, especially in flat front pants.:biggrin1:

 

[B_superlarge]

If you are so fascinated by them (I am not), please search this site for "Are Black Men Bigger?" by thread title and I am sure you will find thread after thread where member after member have pointed to study after study. I won't do your work for you (I've been here and debating this down for 4 years at least).

Believe me you don't have to do my work for me, I've put tons of study into this, and I'm not aware of study after study showing no correlation. I spoke of the ones I'm aware of that were thought to back you up, but didn't really when looked into pass the newspaper articles. You seem to deny the existence of studies indicating a correlation does exist, but they do. You seem to want to present it as if facts are that everytime a study is performed there is no correlation. If you've been involved in this 'objectively' for 4 years then you should know better.

I'm very interested in seeing that thread, but I can't seem to find it. Do you know about the last period of time it may have been posted into? That might help me locate it, unless you or someone else will link me to it of course. Thanks.

ps: Are you saying many threads full of studies? I've read around here a lot and there are not any studies provided by posters. Oh sure, they speak of studies, like you did, but nothing is ever provided. I only the other hand do provide correlation studies. Now when it comes to a study on just black men there aren't any I know of, and members have not been posting any (but yeah, some say they exist :rollseyes. Is that what you are speaking of?? I did find mention of one study done for almost 30 years by a doctor and he spoke of there being a strong correlation between races and sizes are given. However, I don't know if the study can be proven to be credible. Study after study again eh?

 

[B_superlarge]

The word you want, superlarge, is outliers (no 'n').
I acknowledge that, at the larger end, the outliers might indeed be outliners, especially in flat front pants.:biggrin1:

Yeah, I thought it might be, but didn't care enough at the moment to stop for a second and reflect on it. Thanks.

 

[playainda336]

If you are so fascinated by them (I am not), please search this site for "Are Black Men Bigger?" by thread title and I am sure you will find thread after thread where member after member have pointed to study after study. I won't do your work for you (I've been here and debating this down for 4 years at least).

Only 4 years? lol

 

[MattBrick]

No, it isn't. I know many more hung white men than hung black men. I have only one close friend who is black and hung. I have several white friends who are black and hung. In fact I know several black men who are distressed that they somehow can not live up to the expectations of this stereotype. They have perfectly fine penises, but feel inadequate due to this archaic line of thinking.

Interesting. Not a bad thing to know, lol
Do you also knowmore white guys than black total guys though?
I think the post I quoted mentioned the negative impact this may cause - a sense of inadequecy - in either race.
By the way, what is your range for calling somebody hung?


Not true. I know big people who have small cocks and small people who have large ones.

Oh, wait ^ remember what we said about correlations? They don't necesarily indicate a causal relationship. We are talking about in general.
And height does correlate to a larger penis in general. Of course, you are right, there are short guys with big ones, etc. We are talking about over the average of a group as a whole.

 

[MattBrick]

Please also note the the existence of a correlation does not mean that there is causation.

Two things can happen in tandem very frequently (which establishes a correlation) without one thing making the second thing occur (causation).

Size happens like any other trait--we all carry genes for just about everything. This is how some short people can have very tall children. It's never as simple as to say that all _________ people have _________ trait/characteristic.

But hey, don't let me ruin anyone's fantasies.

If you want to believe that my dick is bigger than most, because I am black, I can not stop you.

If you want to believe that my dick is bigger than most because I am 6'2", I can not stop you.

If you want to believe that my dick is bigger than most because I wear a size 11.5-12.0 shoe, I can not stop you.

If you want to believe that my dick is bigger than most because I am 203 pounds, I can not stop you.

That being said, you would have a hard time convincing me (and a lot of people) that my dick is bigger for any other reason that it is what I was born with and it measures 8" x 6" (without a cock ring).

Lex, let's all try not to put qualifications on this. It's not what people want to believe, or should believe, or how it makes them feel about belieiving. I don't think its fair for some of us to put words into other people's mouths about how they feel or what they want

 

[MattBrick]

There being short guys with big dicks and tall guys with small dicks doesn't mean a general correlation can't exist.

Height - The taller the guy the better chance there is he has a big one. Many don't believe a correlation between height and penis size exists, but this has been studied indepth at Thundersplace and there is somewhat of a connection. While the overall average size between tall and short guys is only 1/4" difference, the outliners (big and small dicks) showed a significantly higher occurance in relation to height. Tall guys twice as likely to have a big one and not as likely to have a small one.

I'm going to have to say agree with Superlarge on this one.
I've read this in books, 2 bio course (one text said it was the only correlating factor, another said there were slight differences among nationalities - witin a quarter or so of an inch) and in publications like mens health. I'd be willing to doubt, if that wasn't what I saw everytime I saw another guy with his pants down. Yes, definitely big guys with little dicks, and short guys with whoppers, but in general, short guys are more likely to be a little shorter. You can see this in the LPSG gallery too I think. This isn't a huge difference though, I'd say your guys who are 5'5" tall tend to have the 3"ers and your your 6'2" guys have the 4 or so inchers. (There is a much bigger difference in their body size)

And yes, correlations can exist.

 

[MattBrick]

If you are so fascinated by them (I am not), please search this site for "Are Black Men Bigger?" by thread title and I am sure you will find thread after thread where member after member have pointed to study after study. I won't do your work for you (I've been here and debating this down for 4 years at least).

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Nobody if you "want to" believe that there is no correlation here nobody can force you either. Nobody is even going to try. I think people value the research you've put into the topic, and the imput you've given. And as it just so happens it just so happens that more people who have responded to this thread believe like you, that this is a myth.

 

[MattBrick]

Your instincts are mostly correct, growers gain some ground but don't catch up (neither do they catch up "a lot"). It's amazing how many assume that upon erection "growers" catch up with "showers". Believing that growers catch up falls right in with their belief that black guys aren't any bigger than white guys (since many admit black guys tend to have longer flaccids). They have no choice but to assume growers catch up with showers if they are going to believe white and black guys (and Asians) are the same in penis size.

Research indicates that, generally speaking, growers do not actually catch up. LPSG can't really be used to judge what the standard ranges of growing and shower are. Here is some data from a site many months back. I don't know if more has been added since then.

Also, at Thundersplace, overall the 3" flaccids averaged out to 5.75" erect (grew 2.75") and the 5" flaccids averaged out to 7.25" erect (grew 2.25").

So the two sites' datas match up fairly well.


http://www.erectionphotos.com/softH...dGalleryP01.htm

Flaccid Length--------Averaged Erect Length----------------Amount of increase in inches
1.00-1.49---------------------4.71-------------------------------------+3.50
1.5-1.99----------------------4.89-------------------------------------+3.14
2.00-2.49---------------------4.88-------------------------------------+2.63
2.50-2.99---------------------4.92-------------------------------------+2.17
3.00-3.49---------------------6.07-------------------------------------+2.82
3.50-3.99---------------------6.08-------------------------------------+2.33
4.00-4.49---------------------6.69-------------------------------------+2.44
4.50-4.99---------------------7.00-------------------------------------+2.25
5.00-5.49---------------------7.35-------------------------------------+2.10
5.50-5.99---------------------7.80-------------------------------------+2.05
6.00-6.49---------------------na----------------------------------------na
6.50-6.99---------------------9.00-------------------------------------+2.25


The numbers are somewhat unstable, which more data in each range would likely smooth out. The average increase is 2.5 inches in the chart above. The data above clearly shows that the pc belief that shorter flaccids/growers are just as big as longer flaccids/showers when erect is just not so even though smaller flaccids tend to grow more.

Makes sense. By the way, those are some funkylooking dicks on that site ,lol. I'm glad they were willing to post all in the name of science.

 

[BIGBULL29]

Your instincts are mostly correct, growers gain some ground but don't catch up (neither do they catch up "a lot"). It's amazing how many assume that upon erection "growers" catch up with "showers". Believing that growers catch up falls right in with their belief that black guys aren't any bigger than white guys (since many admit black guys tend to have longer flaccids). They have no choice but to assume growers catch up with showers if they are going to believe white and black guys (and Asians) are the same in penis size.
.

How do you measure a flaccid penis? There are varying states of flaccidity. A man's firm erection measured in girth and length would be the only logical way to accurately describe a man's size for comparison reasons.

If a man appears to have a big "floppy hanger" in a more flacid state, you can't assume that he'll be bigger than men who don't "hang" much in any of their flaccid states. Some men's penises still point down somewhat when they have a semi-erection. So, if you wanna compare, get a stiffy with a ruler in hand.

 

[Principessa]

Lex, let's all try not to put qualifications on this. It's not what people want to believe, or should believe, or how it makes them feel about belieiving. I don't think its fair for some of us to put words into other people's mouths about how they feel or what they want

I don't think that's what Lex was saying in his post; but maybe I misunderstood him. What has bothered me every single time this topic comes up is that the alleged facts are at best anecdotal. Also it seems that mostly white people seem to want or need to believe these allegations. Yes, the black men seen in porno are often significantly larger than the white, latino or asian men seen. That's because they seek out the biggest possible black men to do porn.

Trust me, I attended a historically black college in Virginia. :biggrin1: While there I fucked some black men with big cocks. But I also fucked some black men with average to small cocks. Like Lex, I also know black men with serious complexes because they aren't hung like Mandingo and feel they don't meet the ridiculous stereotype which white people and the porn industry have exacerbated over the years.

I've only been with a total of 12 men (black and white) so that is hardly a fair sample/study. Yet I still feel confident that I'm right and you are wrong. :smile::tongue:

I'm going to have to say agree with Superlarge on this one.

I've read this in books, 2 bio course (one text said it was the only correlating factor, another said there were slight differences among nationalities - witin a quarter or so of an inch) and in publications like mens health. I'd be willing to doubt, if that wasn't what I saw everytime I saw another guy with his pants down. Yes, definitely big guys with little dicks, and short guys with whoppers, but in general, short guys are more likely to be a little shorter. You can see this in the LPSG gallery too I think. This isn't a huge difference though, I'd say your guys who are 5'5" tall tend to have the 3"ers and your your 6'2" guys have the 4 or so inchers. (There is a much bigger difference in their body size)
And yes, correlations can exist.

And to every 'rule' or correlation there is an exception. :tongue: My favorite being LPSG's own landminespring28. If I lived in his state I would be his personal cock groupie. :redface: He stands 5'6" and has a beautiful 7x6 cock which has been the subject of many erotic dreams and fantasys.:wink:

 

[B_superlarge]

And to every correlation there is an exception.

You're mistaken. Where is that data?

All in all I've presented so very much to show correlations in so many ways, I've presented much much much more than the typical posters, and yet to no avail. Sentences like that abound.

If there were as many exceptions the correlation curves wouldn't be showing up in the datas I present. And my posts do go beyond just mere hearsay.

I do finally give up. Really I do. Finally. Politics, religion, and this subject involving penises with all it's surrounding aspects are topics in which no one ever bends. I try to be more objective than the masses, and I would accept the data whereever it led me, no matter what my predisposed opinions are.

People insist on many double blind studies that they know don't exist or they refuse to believe any data that contradicts them, no matter if it can be shown to be reasonably credible. I strongly suspect that if those double blind studies could be produced that 99% of people would close their eyes and plug up their ears if it disagreed with their opinion. I would accept the data, whatever it said, but I'm sure many would just refuse it hands down if it opposed them and raise it to the stars if it agreed with them. I can't provide double blind studies but the data I do present deserves more than it is given credit for.

And I even present some doctor studies concerning height and other correlations found, and yet those doctor studies are even rejected. That is such a clear indication of just how stubborn and unobjective most people are. It's of no use.

Believe what you want. We can't be all correct. I'm not going to spin my wheels anymore. The masses all have opinions and most people are ignorant, pure and simple, and believe what they believe what they believe what they believe what they believe. And small samplings are indeed almost meaningless in regards to correlations.

Take care everyone. I do wish the best for everyone.

 

[D_Portelay Porquesword]

I'm Definitely Small

You're pretty. So it makes no never mind. :tongue:

 

[MattBrick]

I don't think that's what Lex was saying in his post; but maybe I misunderstood him. What has bothered me every single time this topic comes up is that the alleged facts are at best anecdotal. Also it seems that mostly white people seem to want or need to believe these allegations. Yes, the black men seen in porno are often significantly larger than the white, latino or asian men seen. That's because they seek out the biggest possible black men to do porn.

Trust me, I attended a historically black college in Virginia. :biggrin1: While there I fucked some black men with big cocks. But I also fucked some black men with average to small cocks. Like Lex, I also know black men with serious complexes because they aren't hung like Mandingo and feel they don't meet the ridiculous stereotype which white people and the porn industry have exacerbated over the years.

I've only been with a total of 12 men (black and white) so that is hardly a fair sample/study. Yet I still feel confident that I'm right and you are wrong. :smile::tongue:


And to every 'rule' or correlation there is an exception. :tongue: My favorite being LPSG's own landminespring28. If I lived in his state I would be his personal cock groupie. :redface: He stands 5'6" and has a beautiful 7x6 cock which has been the subject of many erotic dreams and fantasys.:wink:

Hi NJQT
Nah, I trust you.
Here is the thing about supposing sombody else, or a certain group wants or needs to believe something: you could come up with a whole lists of beliefs for each different group and atribute it to them. Then you could come up with a whole list of reasons they want or need to believe them.

For example, if - for whatever reason this is, there are many historically, etc we won't go into - white people want to believe that black guys are bigger (and it isn't the case that they are right, and black guys are bigger), that could be.
But what if black people want/need to believe that they aren't bigger. I know all about the exceptions. I am right up there, if not bigger than Lex, mantubela and Playainda, but I'm smaller than widenine. I might like to be that kind of exception. On the other hand, black guys might not like to be the inverse of that exception.
I don't think anybody want's to feel like the "small exception", especially when they actually have a big dick!

So you see, it can get complicated.

Yes though, I definitely see what you mean. The stereotype is way out of control, and way off base of whatever reality there may be in it.
I agree with you, and see how this could be not such a good thing for black guys. Remember though, this is part of being a man period
I think the post I quoted summed it up pretty well, that "The worst thing about this, is that it can make guys feel inadequet or insecure, if they are white and always worrying about the fact that black guys are bigger, or if they are black but not "huge" or something, and not living up to the stereo type." Although it definitely could have been stated a little more eloquently, I think we all can agree with that, no matter what we think of this topic.

Thanks for sharing your person experience too.
Yeah, as a guy, I can tell you there are a good number of short guys with big ones, even despite the trend.

 

[Principessa]

*SNIP* I know all about the exceptions. I am right up there, if not bigger than Lex, mantubela and Playainda, but I'm smaller than widenine. I might like to be that kind of exception. *SNIP*

Bigger than Lex?!?! So when are we hooking up? :flirt: :wink:​