can anyone be gay?

[JulieInNaplesFL]

Really? And you know this by what authority?

 

[Mal_the_Wolf]

Nope............ Pretty much just gay people

I know eminem and bill clinton gave us hope anybody could be black but at the end of the day they're rich white guys with bad tastte in women, colon powell is lucky to be there, rickey martin is only living with those paid models and. U2 is still lame even after they changed the name to cold play...... You are what you are.

 

[DasLeezard]

Nope............ Pretty much just gay people

I know eminem and bill clinton gave us hope anybody could be black but at the end of the day they're rich white guys with bad tastte in women, colon powell is lucky to be there, rickey martin is only living with those paid models and. U2 is still lame even after they changed the name to cold play...... You are what you are.

Werd to this ^^^

 

[alx]

I'm saying that however a man defines his orientation, the act of engaging in sex with another man obviously cannot be defined as straight, hence the man who desires, fantasizes about, or voluntarily engages in M/M sex to any appreciable degree cannot in a rational world be considered 99-100% straight. Nevertheless, the world is full of men who date and marry women while having in sex with men on the downlow, sometimes more than they have sex with women, and they still define themselves as 99-100 percenters, defensively so. It's an extremely common rationalization, and it's illogical and just plain crazy, imho. It's tantamount to saying "I'm a total vegetarian. I only eat steak on Fridays because I like the taste and I need the extra protein, but I really prefer vegetables."

Someone that does drugs on the weekend once a month, isn't a druggy. Someone that goes to the pub every friday night for a few pints isn't an alcoholic. That someone just does what he does because he enjoys it.

Behaviour and orientation is seperate to me, anyway.

 

[Mal_the_Wolf]

Someone that does drugs on the weekend once a month, isn't a druggy. Someone that goes to the pub every friday night for a few pints isn't an alcoholic. That someone just does what he does because he enjoys it.

Behaviour and orientation is seperate to me, anyway.

did you all just compare sexuality to drug addiction?

 

[bigboy190]

Some of what has been said i agree with,as a straight guy, i to have had a couple of guys show an interest in my cock, and i never thought i would say this, but, to have another guy touch and fondle your cock is very exciting,. so, if that makes me a bit BI thats fine,OH this has happened at different nudist sites,and i do like to look at a nice cock. and to be noticed.

 

[Mal_the_Wolf]

Some of what has been said i agree with,as a straight guy, i to have had a couple of guys show an interest in my cock, and i never thought i would say this, but, to have another guy touch and fondle your cock is very exciting,. so, if that makes me a bit BI thats fine,OH this has happened at different nudist sites,and i do like to look at a nice cock. and to be noticed.

EXACTLY.... lift weights... you look at body building magazines, you like tattoos then you read prick, there's a difference between admiring and lusting for. 2 girls having sex in collage for attention aren't lesbians. Gay is like being pregnant you are or you aren't. i hate it that so many define themselves by it but who am I to judge

 

[maxcok]

Gay means two different things...a lot of what it's come to mean is political and has nothing to do with sex.

So following your logic, straight people who support GLBT equality would be "GINO"s - Gays In Name Only?

There are gays, but not everyone who has some same-sex experimentation is gay.

No one has said that. Neither are they 100% or even 99% straight if they enjoy it, fantasize about it, and/or engage in it to any significant degree. It's not an either/or proposition. There's a HUGE middle ground.

Someone that does drugs on the weekend once a month, isn't a druggy. Someone that goes to the pub every friday night for a few pints isn't an alcoholic. That someone just does what he does because he enjoys it.

Neither are they teetotalers. It's a matter of degrees, not of extremes. Again, with emphasis:

THERE IS A HUGE MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN 100% GAY AND 100% STRAIGHT!!!

Behaviour and orientation is seperate to me, anyway.

Yes, we get that from you loud and clear, here and in other threads. Divorcing your behavior, what you do, what you enjoy, and what you desire, from your self-identified orientation - the very hallmark of denial.

It's an extremely common rationalization, and it's illogical and just plain crazy, imho. It's tantamount to saying "I'm a total vegetarian. I only eat steak on Fridays because I like the taste and I need the extra protein, but I really prefer vegetables."

:rolleyes2:

 

[sykray]

I have been fascinated reading the posts in this thread and there are some excellent points being made.
The OP asked an ill-defined question open to varied interpretation. Same-sex acts or opposite-sex acts do not equate to sexual orientation but we use the same Word to indicate both activities and orientation. It would be better if we didn't.
Properly, homosexual is an adjective not a noun. It describes the same-sex nature of an event or act. Unfortunately, we use it as a noun - "He is a homosexual". The fact that we now use "gay" in place of "homosexual" perpetuates the same confusion.
How we label ourselves may or may not reflect our objectively observable sexual behaviour. It is a personal construct (in Kelly's model of psychology) and as such it is open to choice.
How we label others is a psychosocial construct and often does not take much account of the internal feelings, motives and dynamics of the individual. Based as it is on how the judger defines sexual orientation it is also chosen.
To say that we can choose what we feel or to whom we are sexually attracted is matter of debate but it is generally taken that we do not choose these things.

In my doctoral thesis 30 years ago I tried to demonstrate (I think successfully) that counting orgasms or partners did not predict how each individual man would label himself. Self defined gay men can often have sex with women and self defined straight men can enjoy sex with other men.
Same sex situations block sexual opportunities with the opposite sex and a person can be obliged to engage in same-sex acts though may be running heterosexual fantasies at the same time. Similarly, male sex workers and "gay for pay" porn actors may have more same-sex encounters than opposite-sex encounters and still legitmately label themselves as predominantly straight.
While deciding that "we are all bisexual to some extent" is a way to resolve the confusions and perhaps it is true, it isn't very helpful and flies in the face of a) each individual's reasons for defining themselves as gay, straight, bi, curious or whatever and b) blurs the distinctions that some people use in defining themselves as bisexual.

 

[alx]

did you all just compare sexuality to drug addiction?

No im just pointing out that the drug/alcohol statement is just as logical/rational as maxcok's previou statement.

Yes, we get that from you loud and clear, here and in other threads. Divorcing your behavior, what you do, what you enjoy, and what you desire, from your self-identified orientation - the very hallmark of denial. :rolleyes2:

I really don't understand this whole denial thing? I know exactly where I stand, how I feel, think etc. not everything needs a physcological mean to it.

Back to the OP, not everyone can be homosexual but everyone can do something homosexual if they wanted to.

I have been fascinated reading the posts in this thread and there are some excellent points being made.
The OP asked an ill-defined question open to varied interpretation. Same-sex acts or opposite-sex acts do not equate to sexual orientation but we use the same Word to indicate both activities and orientation. It would be better if we didn't.
Properly, homosexual is an adjective not a noun. It describes the same-sex nature of an event or act. Unfortunately, we use it as a noun - "He is a homosexual". The fact that we now use "gay" in place of "homosexual" perpetuates the same confusion.
How we label ourselves may or may not reflect our objectively observable sexual behaviour. It is a personal construct (in Kelly's model of psychology) and as such it is open to choice.
How we label others is a psychosocial construct and often does not take much account of the internal feelings, motives and dynamics of the individual. Based as it is on how the judger defines sexual orientation it is also chosen.
To say that we can choose what we feel or to whom we are sexually attracted is matter of debate but it is generally taken that we do not choose these things.

In my doctoral thesis 30 years ago I tried to demonstrate (I think successfully) that counting orgasms or partners did not predict how each individual man would label himself. Self defined gay men can often have sex with women and self defined straight men can enjoy sex with other men.
Same sex situations block sexual opportunities with the opposite sex and a person can be obliged to engage in same-sex acts though may be running heterosexual fantasies at the same time. Similarly, male sex workers and "gay for pay" porn actors may have more same-sex encounters than opposite-sex encounters and still legitmately label themselves as predominantly straight.
While deciding that "we are all bisexual to some extent" is a way to resolve the confusions and perhaps it is true, it isn't very helpful and flies in the face of a) each individual's reasons for defining themselves as gay, straight, bi, curious or whatever and b) blurs the distinctions that some people use in defining themselves as bisexual.

Great posting, sounds spot on tbh.

 

[buddy629]

male female, can we all be gay if we want to?

No dear. You have to be born that way, like the rest of us
Cheers.

 

[Mal_the_Wolf]

i think everyone honestly is to some extent bi-sexual, you can become so close to some one emotionally it eventually becomes physical, if nothing but hugging all the time. sexuality is the most complex but insignificant part of who we are