Homoeroticism among straight men

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From having lots of straight friends and some homophobes also. I have come to the conclusion that men have the predujice and dont want to be labeled gay, or bi and in large part is due to things from puberty and peers from 11-16. First the flame gay queen is so detrimental to any positive respect that young boys see. I see boys observe this and are repulsed and the ones that are not learn over time to make sure they dont associate their homosexual curiousities with any of the mainstream friends.

I thnk men regardless what they classify themselves as will experience things with men to their comfort level. and over time that grows. thats why you hear str8 man who wants to suc cock or be fucked.

second men are born with hormones that drive their sexuality and masculinity or feminity. some men have less testoserone and are the last born and fair skin smooth cute boys and typically it seems their behavior can be associated with them more femine, conversationlist and enjoy men and women dont appeal to them. Another set of men grow very masculine and are hard logger men.

but i have realized that 1) the man behavior that he projects to other men and women depends on how much hormones of the various kinds he was born with. He can be born with heavy masculine genese. But that is separate from what sexually he likes to do. if you go back before 1870 the word gay or queer didnt exist.

i have a journal of my great gr gr gr grandfather who was a miner during the calif gold rush and then later a dry goods business in the mining fields and his wish provided hot meals for the men. he would be considered bisexual in todays labeling. But he has hundreds of pages of just about all the men in those days having sex with other guys, sort of hidden secret as much as men in prison resort to some sex than no sex. But we are talking about 90 percent of all men had the what he called the routine release men jerking off in groups at night sometimes, and sometimes depending on the campsite and group would do it in private, but most all men in private had regular sexual men and Boys that they had jerking, sucking and anal with. Obviously young boys raised in that era thought nothing of older men and them having sex. the older man was a mentor and looked after them. And in the city itself almost the same. My journal says in 1848 there were 99% men and no women. And all the men that came from the east that were mormons, quakers fundamentalists soon lost their religion being around all the sex. I was amazed to read that the normal saloons we all grew up seeing on tv had a trough downby feet where the footpegs were and that was a piss trough, men just would use it as a urinal and young boys would come with pails of water and rinse it out during parts of the day. the smell was quite putrid at times for the new san francisco imigrant. So men will do what ever they feel sexually comfortable with and what they feel is to far from them and is gross they will shut down and men do such behavior they psychologically label some name but since faggot is a hated term, they like to use that.
 

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Okay, so now I'm homoerotic but not gay? So, you're saying there's a difference between the two?
Definitely, big difference. Homoeroticism is more like a fetish, I guess. Homosexuality is same-sex relations.

You, yourself said that homosexual relations turns you off, right? Well...that'd be a big problem if you were a homosexual, wouldn't it? :biggrin1:
 

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Thanks.

This has all been confusing. It seems some are saying that if you are heterosexual then you can't have a homoerotic aspect to your personality.

Then some are saying that if you have a homoerotic aspect then you are by default homosexual.

It gets confusing.

Definitely, big difference. Homoeroticism is more like a fetish, I guess. Homosexuality is same-sex relations.

You, yourself said that homosexual relations turns you off, right? Well...that'd be a big problem if you were a homosexual, wouldn't it? :biggrin1:
 

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Thanks for this post. This is really interesting.

From having lots of straight friends and some homophobes also. I have come to the conclusion that men have the predujice and dont want to be labeled gay, or bi and in large part is due to things from puberty and peers from 11-16. First the flame gay queen is so detrimental to any positive respect that young boys see. I see boys observe this and are repulsed and the ones that are not learn over time to make sure they dont associate their homosexual curiousities with any of the mainstream friends.

I thnk men regardless what they classify themselves as will experience things with men to their comfort level. and over time that grows. thats why you hear str8 man who wants to suc cock or be fucked.

second men are born with hormones that drive their sexuality and masculinity or feminity. some men have less testoserone and are the last born and fair skin smooth cute boys and typically it seems their behavior can be associated with them more femine, conversationlist and enjoy men and women dont appeal to them. Another set of men grow very masculine and are hard logger men.

but i have realized that 1) the man behavior that he projects to other men and women depends on how much hormones of the various kinds he was born with. He can be born with heavy masculine genese. But that is separate from what sexually he likes to do. if you go back before 1870 the word gay or queer didnt exist.

i have a journal of my great gr gr gr grandfather who was a miner during the calif gold rush and then later a dry goods business in the mining fields and his wish provided hot meals for the men. he would be considered bisexual in todays labeling. But he has hundreds of pages of just about all the men in those days having sex with other guys, sort of hidden secret as much as men in prison resort to some sex than no sex. But we are talking about 90 percent of all men had the what he called the routine release men jerking off in groups at night sometimes, and sometimes depending on the campsite and group would do it in private, but most all men in private had regular sexual men and Boys that they had jerking, sucking and anal with. Obviously young boys raised in that era thought nothing of older men and them having sex. the older man was a mentor and looked after them. And in the city itself almost the same. My journal says in 1848 there were 99% men and no women. And all the men that came from the east that were mormons, quakers fundamentalists soon lost their religion being around all the sex. I was amazed to read that the normal saloons we all grew up seeing on tv had a trough downby feet where the footpegs were and that was a piss trough, men just would use it as a urinal and young boys would come with pails of water and rinse it out during parts of the day. the smell was quite putrid at times for the new san francisco imigrant. So men will do what ever they feel sexually comfortable with and what they feel is to far from them and is gross they will shut down and men do such behavior they psychologically label some name but since faggot is a hated term, they like to use that.
 

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Well, maybe the good thing about this thread is that I am no longer concerned about labels. Hearing another guy talk about his sexual exploits, seeing another man have sex with a woman, turns me on. I no longer care what category that falls under.

I believe that you are aroused at hearing a straight guys' sexual experiences. These are not considered "homoerotic". I have plenty of straight guys tell me about their sexual experiences women--I don't find them at all homoerotic.

Homoeroticism does have homosexual focus, inclinations and intentions.
You can believe that your straight friends tell-alls are homoerotic. Continue to say it is. You'll only perplex people in doing so. Especially, people who know what homoeroticism means.:rolleyes:
 

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Been meaning to add this.... Somewhat related....

I read today in a magazine that Liz Robbins, the national NBA writer for New York Times, wrote the following regarding the controversy over gay players in the major leagues: "Behavior that men have in locker rooms comes so close to homosexual behavior, they don't want to be labeled that way. It cuts a little close to home."
 

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Then some are saying that if you have a homoerotic aspect then you are by default homosexual.
It's always been like that in the states. Homosexual is the "default."

A guy I worked with put it this way, "You can eat pussy all your life and no one will ever say a word to you. Suck one little dick and they'll never quit talking."

I'm sure some of it is cultural.
 

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It's always been like that in the states. Homosexual is the "default."

A guy I worked with put it this way, "You can eat pussy all your life and no one will ever say a word to you. Suck one little dick and they'll never quit talking."

I'm sure some of it is cultural.

LOL that's too funny. Sad but true. It just explains how people are raised in an environment where everything has to fit to the social norm set by majority, which doesn't necessary mean it's the right thing. After all, we are all individuals and have individual needs and opinions.

To the guy who started this thread. The girl who said that you might like dick, you should've asked her: does that excite you?

I know few chicks that like guys who are a bit 'out of the ordinary' in terms of the social norm. Some of them are excited by guys who wouldn't mind having a threesome with another guy or see their guy with another guy. My best friend whom I've known all my life, says she would love to have sex with a gay guy.

When it comes to taste there's no point in arguing what's right and what's wrong. It's a matter of taste.
 

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Well, maybe the good thing about this thread is that I am no longer concerned about labels. Hearing another guy talk about his sexual exploits, seeing another man have sex with a woman, turns me on. I no longer care what category that falls under.



Undefinability is the way of the Tao. :smile:
 

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Actually, most in the US probably have no idea what the word "homoerotic" even means. Most in the US have probably never heard it.

In my mind, "homoerotic" doesn't mean contact. It means an inner awareness of erotic nature between men. I think most straight men have this every day of their lives but never label it because they never give it a second thought. It's not an issue for them.


It's always been like that in the states. Homosexual is the "default."

A guy I worked with put it this way, "You can eat pussy all your life and no one will ever say a word to you. Suck one little dick and they'll never quit talking."

I'm sure some of it is cultural.
 

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I'm quite sure that 99% of Americans haven't heard the word "homosocial," which means women preferring to spend time around women, and men preferring to spend time around other men. My observation is that a very high percentage of U.S. men (and perhaps all men) are heterosexual but homosocial. Sex-segregated societies have just taken it to an extreme.
 

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Fascinating!
I have often wondered about this issue of men's health magazines.
I have often thought about the irony that at the bookstore I would feel very awkward reaching over and grabbing the Playgirl magazine and taking a look, because I would be labled "gay" by doing so.
The irony, though, is that I could go over and grab one of the men's health magazines and see many of the same models, almost as nude as in Playgirl magazine, and no one would question my sexuality by doing so.
And then, supposedly, most of those men's health magazines are read by straight men -- and some of them even have centerfolds! This is another example of what I mentioned earlier: homoeroticism present in very heterosexual environments.
While we're at it, how about this: I have never understood how it is that straight men taunt gay men by acting gay. In high school, some of the jocks would tease the more effeminate men by acting gay around them, going up and touching them, staring at them, and then saying things like, "You know you like it."
Men are odd.

Most of the body-building magazines founded in the 1950s, including those by the Wieder brothers, were founded as soft-core gay porn when real gay porn couldn't be sent through the U.S. postal system (Comstock law) and couldn't be openly sold in stores (local and state obscenity laws). This is well-documented in books such as Beefcake: The Muscle Magazines of America, 1950-1970 by F. Valentine Hooven III and Angelika Taschen (Taschen, Hardcover, 1995; Paperback, 2002). You didn't seriously think that body-building was wildly popular back then, did you?
 

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I'm quite sure that 99% of Americans haven't heard the word "homosocial," which means women preferring to spend time around women, and men preferring to spend time around other men. My observation is that a very high percentage of U.S. men (and perhaps all men) are heterosexual but homosocial. Sex-segregated societies have just taken it to an extreme.
There we go. That sounds more logical.
 

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I was aware that vintage body building magazines have some sort of significance to gay men, but I wasn't aware of the reason behind it. I haven't given this particular topic much thought, actually. Thanks for the history.

Most of the body-building magazines founded in the 1950s, including those by the Wieder brothers, were founded as soft-core gay porn when real gay porn couldn't be sent through the U.S. postal system (Comstock law) and couldn't be openly sold in stores (local and state obscenity laws). This is well-documented in books such as Beefcake: The Muscle Magazines of America, 1950-1970 by F. Valentine Hooven III and Angelika Taschen (Taschen, Hardcover, 1995; Paperback, 2002). You didn't seriously think that body-building was wildly popular back then, did you?
 

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First time I heard this word was on this thread, I think. I agree, by the way. It seems that most men do indeed prefer the company of other men. I think that, ultimately, this is all I'm really getting at in this thread. Previously, I had preferred the company of women. I suppose I'm going through some sort of shift here.

I'm quite sure that 99% of Americans haven't heard the word "homosocial," which means women preferring to spend time around women, and men preferring to spend time around other men. My observation is that a very high percentage of U.S. men (and perhaps all men) are heterosexual but homosocial. Sex-segregated societies have just taken it to an extreme.
 

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I've also observed this too on my trips to Europe, especially in Greece. However, only very close friends seem to kiss each other; whenever the guys were just friends or acquaintances, there was no kissing.

I find this to be more expressed in North America, than it is elsewhere in the world and I've travelled all over. In Europe for example (France, Italy, Greece etc) it is quite normal for straight men to kiss each other when they meet just like men kiss women.

Highlander, this is a generalisation and is only true for the Anglo-Saxon segment of the Canadian population. In French Canada, for example,it is customary for men and women (friends and acquaintances) to kiss each other twice on the cheek to show respect and appreciation.

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However, in North America, men couldn't kiss women on the cheek until the recent years. You could kiss one woman's hand in order to show respect and appreciation, but that's about it.

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It's an interesting topic. Thanks for the input Guy Love, guys!
 

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It is hard for me to find straight guys homoerotic unless they're in some same sex scenarios (real or imagined) and there is an element of homosexual tension. Straight men are verboten for me.

I don't idolize them. I don't put them on pedestals. I don't have to have a straight guy to get my rocks off. I can admire certain qualities about straight men but I know that there is no chance in H that they are gonna want me because they dig women. That makes it less erotic for me. I don't find it homoerotic. I don't really understand that thing with some have in having to "have" a straight man. Maybe, I am not wired to understand that. There are porn sites dedicated towards that focus. I have seen some of these sites: I don't find the scenarios sexy at all. The producers flash all this ca$h money to these straight guys to have sex with each other. (I have not heard of any porn producers giving gay men ca$h to have sex with women.)

There are a lot of things about sexuality that I don't understand. So, I guess to each its own. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.:smile:

 

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Funny. I've seen some of those porn sites that allege to have "straight" guys doing things. It's all fantasy. Those aren't straight guys. Those are butch gay men.