John Holmes' early gay movies (pics/videos included)

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    John Holmes' early gay movies from his pre-moustache days have been mentioned on various threads from time to time.

    So perhaps it's about time that something was actually seen here of these earliest relics of Holmes' career, from a time when he was not yet a 'porn name' (being billed variously as "Fred", "Dave", "Rudy", "Big Dick" and "Stan" in the catalogs through which these 8mm loops were sold), and before he had even mentioned to his wife Sharon Gebenini that he was moonlighting as an adult movie performer. :rolleyes:

    Although Holmes would claim, much later in his career, that he "never done no gay movies", these 8mm relics rather prove the opposite! I'm including two quite distinct early films on this thread for your perusal.

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    The first film is, imho, the most interesting. It dates from 1969, and shows an entirely different John Holmes to the rather emotionless, unenthusiastic performer that one sees in so many of his later movies.

    Here, he is presented as a smiling, tender, playful lover, who appears to be having a helluva lot of fun. :eek: Worth watching on those grounds alone! :biggrin1:

    The film originally had no title, but has subsequently become known as "Johnny Giant"... it includes oral action, simulated anal sex (no actual penetration), and a shower sequence... Interestingly, it focuses as much on the twink appearing with Holmes as it does on him, with the centre section of the full 10-minute version of the movie barely showing John's cock at all.

    I've put together a one-minute preview of the 'best bits' at:

    http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=video&file=Holmes1preview.wmv
    [video will start playing on-screen after 15 secs to 90 secs, depending on your connection speed, and can be downloaded using the link at the bottom of the page]

    The entire 10-minute loop can be downloaded from:

    http://rapidshare.de/files/34100076/Holmes1.wmv.html
    [I'll put up a mirror version at megaupload tomorrow, for those who have problems with Rapidshare]

    The film was shot without sound, and the vintage porn music choices on the soundtrack are from my collection. Just so that you know who to blame. :tongue:

    I've also included 5 caps from the film below:
     

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    The second early Holmes film I've selected is from just a couple of years later, around 1971, but is entirely different in character to the first film.

    In this untitled loop, Holmes appears much more of a seasoned - and unenthusiastic - porn performer, as he continued to do for the rest of his career, in my eyes at least. There is full penetration, and the focus is on near-clinical close-ups, lacking any of the tenderness of the first film.

    An intriguing comparison, in my opinion, even though I much prefer the earlier film.

    The soundtrack and abominable dubbed-in moaning and groaning originate from a previous release of this originally-silent material, so please don't blame me this time round!! :tongue:

    Once again, I've put together a one-minute preview of the 'best bits' at:

    http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=video&file=holmes2preview.wmv
    [video will start playing on-screen after 15 secs to 90 secs, depending on your connection speed, and can be downloaded using the link at the bottom of the page]

    The entire 10-minute loop can be downloaded from:

    http://rapidshare.de/files/34101022/Holmes2.wmv.html
    [I'll put up a mirror version at megaupload tomorrow, for those who have problems with Rapidshare]

    And here are 5 caps from this film:
     

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    Thanks, Alex. I have always heard about Holmes' early gay films, but this is the first I have seen of them.

    I always though he was sooo hot, :redface:
     
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    Alex,

    I knew you were amazing but this goes above and beyond. How you managed to get your hands on these files, we will never know... It is VERY impressive.:biggrin1:
     
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    argh ...... :eek:
     
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    Alex8, you are so funny and cute! This is better than the time you drew an outline of a guy's dick on a picture for us!:wink::tongue: Your vintage porn music "collection," eh?:biggrin1:

    Thanks for these clips and caps.:smile: Thanks for the caps especially! I have the world's oldest computer and a dial-up connection. I got as far him pulling on the guy's pant leg and part of the music, before I clicked it off, for taking so long to buffer and play completely.:eek::redface::biggrin1:


    Chrispy, you're not alone!:biggrin1: I too have always been attracted to John Holmes. Does anyone know how big he really was? I heard on his E! True Hollywood Story that he was 13 inches. But everybody seems to agree that that is wrong. Just wondering!:wink:
     
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    His wife said he was something like 10.75".

    At the start, Holmes was widely publicized as having a penis ranging from 13.5 inches to 15 inches, depending on which ad copy a particular adult film distributor chose to use. In reality, according to those who performed with him on screen, Holmes' actual maximum length when erect was 12.5 inches. It has been noted by several porn historians that the advertising of Holmes' endowment finally settled on 12.5 inches for two reasons:

    # Holmes, who was 6'2" tall, started his career doing 8mm "porn loops" with female performers who were, on the average, no taller than 5', and were of extremely slender build. However, due to clever camera angles, most of these short women appeared to be ~5'7" tall, which based on scaling made Holmes appear as if he were actually between 13 and 15". His length &#8212; as well as his 7.5" circumference at the base, and 8" at the head when fully erect &#8212; by most accounts resulted in quite a few porn actresses refusing to work with him, with "self-preservation" being the primary justification. Holmes was viewed by most porn actresses as being a "real gentleman", even when obviously intoxicated on heroin. However, after one reported instance where a 4'9" performer suffered internal hemorrhaging after losing her balance and receiving Holmes' penis far harder and further than expected. Word spread through the industry that if a film starring Holmes made a casting call, shorter women need not apply.
    # In 1978, several companies were licensed to produce a dildo that was cast from Holmes' erect penis. While this allowed people to experience Holmes' manhood firsthand, the dildo was only 12.5" long. After the dildo was released, according to those working in the porn industry in California at the time, if the dildo size was accurate, then the descriptions of Holmes' being longer than 12.5" were clearly a case of false advertising, and depending on which measurement was correct, someone could easily get sued. Shortly afterwards, Holmes was officially listed as being only 12.5" long, where he stayed at for the remainder of his life and career.

    -AllExperts

    This link has photos that compared his weigh and the size of the girl and all this other stuff to determine his size.
    Here

    And look at the pictures along the side, its not hard to see how people could think of him as being bigger than 10 inches or so.

    But sadly enough, John Holmes died of AIDs on March 13, 1988.
     
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    I don't care how big it was. I always, from the first time I saw it at an arcade where you pulled the curtain and dropped a quarter and peeked out of the crack to cruise, thought it was the sexiest cock I had ever seen. I have on occasion seen a couple like it and a few larger. But it's still the sexiest one I've seen. It's too bad he was just so butt ugly!! I guess it's true what you don't have in looks you make up somewhere else.

    Years ago I met a hustler that favored him.. skinny the same eyes and curly hair.. and damned if he didn't have the same dick. Big ol' uncut thiing. We measured it and it was dead on 11" soft and about 12.75 erect. The funny thing about this guy is he had pea size balls. I mean normal size scrotum but little bitty peas inside.
     
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    I swear I saw an 8mm gay film with Holmes where he was dressed in a Sultan's outfit. Could one of these been it? I'd still like to know more about son...if he inheirited his dad's dong size.
     
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    Nope, that was over a decade later, when he appeared together with celebrated porn bottom Joey Yale in the feature-length The Private Pleasures of John Holmes (1982):

    http://www.gaymoviefinder.com/25378-The+Private+Pleasures+Of+John+Holmes.aspx
     
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    ALEX!

    You're the bomb dude. That shit's even MORE erotic since it's vintage.

    I've long wondered where this magazine had its genesis. Thanks. The music's the perfect accompaniment.

    What do you think the date is of that movie?
     
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    You know I covet that copy of L'Affaire :biggrin1: :rolleyes: ... seriously, I've never seen it referenced anywhere, so I think you got hold of a real rarity there.

    The movie is definitely datable to at least 1969/70, although a few sources claim it could have been made as early as 1966/67. His appearance is pretty much identical to the way he looked in the hardcore porn horror movie :rolleyes: Widow Blue (1969), so I tend to go with the latter date, as do the majority of reference works.
     
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    I got if for a song about a year ago. You can guess from where.

    It's in nearly mint condition and the photos... well here's an example.

    I'm leaning more toward the earlier date 66/67 since the first few shots in the magazine are decidedly pre-anything suggesting bell bottoms and have a rather early "Beachboys" look to the attire. If I have a moment tonight I'll carefully scan one. It'll be pmed to you.

    Thanks again that's a treat that download. :smile:
     
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    Peter north has done some gay porn vids.
     
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    Alex, you've really outdone yourself this time. Thanks so much for the thread! I'd seen the first movie you were talking about and was very disappointed that Holmes' huge dick wasn't featured more. But I wasn't aware of the second movie where he penetrates the poor guy. Amazing!
     
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    It has been pointed out to me via PM that I originally promised to put up the 10-minute full versions of both movies at Megaupload as well, for those poor souls who are unable to use Rapidshare due to the cruddiness of their internet service providers. :rolleyes:

    A little late, but here are the links to the identical footage from above, only hosted at Megaupload:

    FILM 1

    FILM 2
     
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    These are truly some amazing finds. Great work!
     
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    Perhaps there should be a whole section dedicated to Alex's amazing finds. I always enjoy your insights.
     
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    Very cool and fascinating stuff from the porn archives.

    And as b3ar pointed out, the great Peter North did some gay vids (at least a dozen) in his past too, under the name of Matt Ramsey. His, compared to Holmes', were MUCH better, partly because they were more recent and were able to be made with much better production quality (on film). Plus, North seemed to be a much more lively and active participant in the sex (though he professes not to be gay or even bi), as opposed to Holmes' obvious "detachment" of later years. And, of course, there was North's/Ramsey's historic cumshots.

    What's interesting about these guys (and others) is that they (people in the industry) claim that the easiest way to break into straight porn for guys is by being "gay for pay". Not to mention that the money is supposedly MUCH better.

    Kuddos, Alex, for your hard work in unearthing all this stuff.