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thanks for all this information! one of my friends has two roommates who are trans women currently undergoing hormone therapy. they're the first women i've met that i've been aware are trans (i wouldn't be surprised if i've met some before that i didn't realize were trans), so hearing your perspective is much appreciated.

the part on not shaming attraction to trans men is especially eye-opening for me. i'm a little ashamed to say that i myself have been part of this problem in the past. i'm a gay man, and sometimes i get a bit frustrated about closeted gay men clinging to a straight identity while they sleep with dudes due to (completely understandable) anxiety about homophobia. now that i reflect on your post, i remember that i used to legitimately think that men who liked trans women were simply gay men who wanted to assuage that anxiety by convincing themselves they still liked women (with the 'parts' that were truly important to them). looking back now, it seems so ridiculous and awful that i actually reduced trans women's gender identities (and the attraction men had for them) to being solely about 'parts'! thankfully i don't think i ever shared that harmful idea with anyone, but i'm so glad people like you have been putting yourself out there to correct those misconceptions. keep doing what you do. :)
 
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thanks for all this information! one of my friends has two roommates who are trans women currently undergoing hormone therapy. they're the first women i've met that i've been aware are trans (i wouldn't be surprised if i've met some before that i didn't realize were trans), so hearing your perspective is much appreciated.

the part on not shaming attraction to trans men is especially eye-opening for me. i'm a little ashamed to say that i myself have been part of this problem in the past. i'm a gay man, and sometimes i get a bit frustrated about closeted gay men clinging to a straight identity while they sleep with dudes due to (completely understandable) anxiety about homophobia. now that i reflect on your post, i remember that i used to legitimately think that men who liked trans women were simply gay men who wanted to assuage that anxiety by convincing themselves they still liked women (with the 'parts' that were truly important to them). looking back now, it seems so ridiculous and awful that i actually reduced trans women's gender identities (and the attraction men had for them) to being solely about 'parts'! thankfully i don't think i ever shared that harmful idea with anyone, but i'm so glad people like you have been putting yourself out there to correct those misconceptions. keep doing what you do. :)


Awe I am glad I helped you realize some inner judgement. I think we are all guilty at times judging people without actually knowing what the situation is.

I think what you were thinking is really common in the gay community. It always bogles me how the gay lgbt community can be a bit misinformed. Like drag queens trying to clock my makeup ("Girl you need to contour more heavily"), guys telling me I am not dressed like most drag queens (Oh my God like I have never seen such a natural drag queen, like you look like a normal girl) or gay dude thinking they have the right to use trans slang cause Rupaul (" Oh My god your a trans!?!?!?!? I love trannies. My Besty Totally does Drag so I am down"). etc etc etc. Most of the time i giggle and explain to them the situation in a ncie friendly tone ( I don't like coming off as a bitch ever) lol. And I know the vast majority of gay guys aren't like that and I always laugh at how all my gay friends jump on people and correct them (nicely) when they do this. LOL.

My main thing is we should all show each other love and live with unicorns on the rainbows of happiness. LOL
 

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well you,ve educated me, although i don't think i,ll ever be lucky enough to meet a trans lady x

Ahaha. I am sure you will if your heart is set on it. :))

Once societies views on trans people, which they are , a lot more will come out of the shadows ^.^ Just like one being gay was accepted as normal more people came out!
 

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Ahaha. I am sure you will if your heart is set on it. :))

Once societies views on trans people, which they are , a lot more will come out of the shadows ^.^ Just like one being gay was accepted as normal more people came out!

Hey MizzS--another question for you. Again know I am speaking in generalities and everyone is different....but here goes.
When is the best time to have the "Are you trans?" or "I'm a trans woman" discussion? First meeting? first date? while seeing each other and getting to know each other? First time the relationship get's physical and intimate? First time your panties come down? From a guy's perspective (my perspective), I think I would prefer to know sooner rather than later. I'm really not quite sure why, other than I know building relationships are already hard and that understanding women (their interests, desires, and do's and dont's) can be a "tricky business." If I think or sense that a woman is trans, I'd like to know. I'd also like to tell her that I am good with seeing or having a relationship with trans women---but should I even bring that up?
My perception is that trans women are also trying to figure everything out as well. Does he know that I'm trans? Will he flip out when he finds out? Am I in any danger with this dude? Again--these are my perceptions that may be "out to lunch" so to speak. I don't know, hence my question.
As I write this down and think about it, the answer coming to me is when there is a level of trust developed and the beginning of real feelings and thoughts of an actual relationship begin--that would be the best time to have this discussion. Certainly before things start to become physical.
My one experience with a trans woman happened at/through working together. We were already friends and I finally asked her out. I had some thoughts that she might be trans at that time, but really wasn't sure. Nor did I really care, as I was already very attracted to her. I had hesitated asking her out for several weeks/months because we were co-workers. Also, I'm white and she's black---not that big a deal (for me), but still something I considered. On our first date (after having dinner), she simply told me she was trans (pre-op). It was almost anti-climatic (at least to me) and she was pretty happy (relieved?) when I told her it wasn't an issue for me. I wanted to tell her that the thought of her being trans might have scared me a little bit, but also excited the hell out of me! Anyway, we moved forward from there and had a decent relationship for about 10 months.
Sorry--did not mean to talk so much or tell you my life history. Thoughts?
 
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Hey MizzS--another question for you. Again know I am speaking in generalities and everyone is different....but here goes.
When is the best time to have the "Are you trans?" or "I'm a trans woman" discussion? First meeting? first date? while seeing each other and getting to know each other? First time the relationship get's physical and intimate? First time your panties come down? From a guy's perspective (my perspective), I think I would prefer to know sooner rather than later. I'm really not quite sure why, other than I know building relationships are already hard and that understanding women (their interests, desires, and do's and dont's) can be a "tricky business." If I think or sense that a woman is trans, I'd like to know. I'd also like to tell her that I am good with seeing or having a relationship with trans women---but should I even bring that up?
My perception is that trans women are also trying to figure everything out as well. Does he know that I'm trans? Will he flip out when he finds out? Am I in any danger with this dude? Again--these are my perceptions that may be "out to lunch" so to speak. I don't know, hence my question.
As I write this down and think about it, the answer coming to me is when there is a level of trust developed and the beginning of real feelings and thoughts of an actual relationship begin--that would be the best time to have this discussion. Certainly before things start to become physical.
My one experience with a trans woman happened at/through working together. We were already friends and I finally asked her out. I had some thoughts that she might be trans at that time, but really wasn't sure. Nor did I really care, as I was already very attracted to her. I had hesitated asking her out for several weeks/months because we were co-workers. Also, I'm white and she's black---not that big a deal (for me), but still something I considered. On our first date (after having dinner), she simply told me she was trans (pre-op). It was almost anti-climatic (at least to me) and she was pretty happy (relieved?) when I told her it wasn't an issue for me. I wanted to tell her that the thought of her being trans might have scared me a little bit, but also excited the hell out of me! Anyway, we moved forward from there and had a decent relationship for about 10 months.
Sorry--did not mean to talk so much or tell you my life history. Thoughts?


I personally tell men before we even go on a date. I tell them I am a non op transsexual and most guys seem to be ok with it, and the ones that aren't are weeded out before anything can come of it. I am very open about being trans to people as I feel like its not something I should be ashamed of or hide from people. Now of course this doesn't mean all women who are trans are ok with it and some feel the best way to go about life is to submerge into society as a cis gender woman and live life like any other natural born woman. This can benefit and harm trans women. I personally think the best time though to tell someone your trans is right away. Before any sort of bond happens. But it really boils down to what the individual trans woman wants. As for if you are thinking she is trans and she hasn't told you, I don't think you really can do much. You don't want to ask a cis gender woman if she is trans as that's offensive as its like saying she looks manly. LOL. I would just make the decision if you are questioning it whether or not its a big deal and if you like the person enough to continue, and just wait to find out I guess. LOL

Also are interacial couple still a issue in places? I guess up here most people don't really care. LOL
 
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Also are interacial couple still a issue in places? I guess up here most people don't really care. LOL[/QUOTE]
Thx again for your response. Lots to think about. With respect to inter-racial relationships--my experience is that it is not that big an issue anymore, but it can be a "complicating factor" for some relationships. I have dated several black women in the past and "race and racial differences" are something that you will have to face, discuss, and deal with from many different angles. By that I mean--family questions, her parents, co-workers & bosses, church, friends' attitudes.....stuff like that. Not a major problem or insurmountable issues, but stuff that can complicate a relationship. Hope that makes sense. Have a great day.
 
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Also are interacial couple still a issue in places? I guess up here most people don't really care. LOL
Thx again for your response. Lots to think about. With respect to inter-racial relationships--my experience is that it is not that big an issue anymore, but it can be a "complicating factor" for some relationships. I have dated several black women in the past and "race and racial differences" are something that you will have to face, discuss, and deal with from many different angles. By that I mean--family questions, her parents, co-workers & bosses, church, friends' attitudes.....stuff like that. Not a major problem or insurmountable issues, but stuff that can complicate a relationship. Hope that makes sense. Have a great day.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I guess because I choose to surround myself with nothing but possitivity that I tend not to encounter too many haters. We also don't have as many strong viewed people who try to force their ancient views on each other here in Canada ( I am sure there are many still) lol

Regardless you seem like a cool open minded modern man and the majority of trans women I know thank you for that!
 
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I don't have any sexual experience with anyone so I can't really say for sure what I think about these issues. I've seen pictures of Transwomen that are attractive and some that aren't. I try and keep an open mind and always try to respect people's gender identity regardless of my attraction.

I am from Canada as well (Grande Prairie, Alberta) and I've seen some awful attitudes towards transgendered people (I once witness a man yelling at a transwoman because she was trans, I didn't see it but I heard it). I don't necessarily think we're better than everyone else. I think we just try to put a face of public respectability and politeness. Canadians are often passive aggressive about their prejudices.
 

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Thx again for your response. Lots to think about. With respect to inter-racial relationships--my experience is that it is not that big an issue anymore, but it can be a "complicating factor" for some relationships. I have dated several black women in the past and "race and racial differences" are something that you will have to face, discuss, and deal with from many different angles. By that I mean--family questions, her parents, co-workers & bosses, church, friends' attitudes.....stuff like that. Not a major problem or insurmountable issues, but stuff that can complicate a relationship. Hope that makes sense. Have a great day.

Yeah I guess because I choose to surround myself with nothing but possitivity that I tend not to encounter too many haters. We also don't have as many strong viewed people who try to force their ancient views on each other here in Canada ( I am sure there are many still) lol

Regardless you seem like a cool open minded modern man and the majority of trans women I know thank you for that![/QUOTE]
LOL. "ancient views"....yes, there is a lot of that still here in the states, unfortunately. Thank you for your kind words. I enjoy hearing your thoughts and insights on being a trans woman. I have always enjoyed talking with interesting people and like your "positivity". Have a great day MizzS.
 

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I don't have any sexual experience with anyone so I can't really say for sure what I think about these issues. I've seen pictures of Transwomen that are attractive and some that aren't. I try and keep an open mind and always try to respect people's gender identity regardless of my attraction.

I am from Canada as well (Grande Prairie, Alberta) and I've seen some awful attitudes towards transgendered people (I once witness a man yelling at a transwoman because she was trans, I didn't see it but I heard it). I don't necessarily think we're better than everyone else. I think we just try to put a face of public respectability and politeness. Canadians are often passive aggressive about their prejudices.


Oh i completely agree!!
 

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Yeah I guess because I choose to surround myself with nothing but possitivity that I tend not to encounter too many haters. We also don't have as many strong viewed people who try to force their ancient views on each other here in Canada ( I am sure there are many still) lol

Regardless you seem like a cool open minded modern man and the majority of trans women I know thank you for that!
LOL. "ancient views"....yes, there is a lot of that still here in the states, unfortunately. Thank you for your kind words. I enjoy hearing your thoughts and insights on being a trans woman. I have always enjoyed talking with interesting people and like your "positivity". Have a great day MizzS.[/QUOTE]



I am glad you keep asking questions. Keeps the forum going!!
 

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Ok--question(s) for the day. Is the whole sex industry (escorting; porn; adult movies) good for trans women....or does it hurt them in the long run?
Other thoughts and perceptions I have on this subject include:
1) Many (most?/ all?) trans women get into the sex industry for the money. Either they have a hard time getting and keeping a "regular" job during coming out or transitioning...or they need $$$ for medical expenses that are not covered by medical insurances.
2) Without porn, I do not know if I ever would have realized that trans women exist (don't mean to sound harsh there)---but never thought about them until seeing them in porn and realizing that they are pretty, smart, funny, and yes, sexy, women..out in the world, and all around me....and that I knew pretty quickly, that I was attracted to them, just like I know I like and prefer dark-skinned black women...
3) The sex industry can be a brutal business that often creates this unrealistic image and depiction of trans women--an image that may do more damage than good... Again--I am not finding fault with the trans women in the business--they are doing what they have to do to move forward; or some may enjoy the life style and are simply having fun...I just don't know..
4) Saying I am attracted to trans women is often construed by others to mean and say---I have a "fetish" or I'm just a gay guy who can't accept that I'm gay and like men. I'm bisexual, not gay--am attracted to both men and women, have enjoyed sex with both men and women, and am also attracted to trans women. My one experience with a trans woman (who was not an escort or in the sex industry) was very positive.
5) Meeting trans women who are not in the sex industry can be difficult. As soon as you say I'm interested in dating a trans woman things become hard. Your choices are either visit certain clubs or websites offering meetings and dates with trans women....often not the best routes for meeting someone.
I'll stop my ramblings here. I've thrown alot out there. These are some of my perceptions, which may be wrong. Mizz S has been nice enough to answer these questions. Any other women care to join the discussion? Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Peace.
 

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Ok--question(s) for the day. Is the whole sex industry (escorting; porn; adult movies) good for trans women....or does it hurt them in the long run?
Other thoughts and perceptions I have on this subject include:
1) Many (most?/ all?) trans women get into the sex industry for the money. Either they have a hard time getting and keeping a "regular" job during coming out or transitioning...or they need $$$ for medical expenses that are not covered by medical insurances.
2) Without porn, I do not know if I ever would have realized that trans women exist (don't mean to sound harsh there)---but never thought about them until seeing them in porn and realizing that they are pretty, smart, funny, and yes, sexy, women..out in the world, and all around me....and that I knew pretty quickly, that I was attracted to them, just like I know I like and prefer dark-skinned black women...
3) The sex industry can be a brutal business that often creates this unrealistic image and depiction of trans women--an image that may do more damage than good... Again--I am not finding fault with the trans women in the business--they are doing what they have to do to move forward; or some may enjoy the life style and are simply having fun...I just don't know..
4) Saying I am attracted to trans women is often construed by others to mean and say---I have a "fetish" or I'm just a gay guy who can't accept that I'm gay and like men. I'm bisexual, not gay--am attracted to both men and women, have enjoyed sex with both men and women, and am also attracted to trans women. My one experience with a trans woman (who was not an escort or in the sex industry) was very positive.
5) Meeting trans women who are not in the sex industry can be difficult. As soon as you say I'm interested in dating a trans woman things become hard. Your choices are either visit certain clubs or websites offering meetings and dates with trans women....often not the best routes for meeting someone.
I'll stop my ramblings here. I've thrown alot out there. These are some of my perceptions, which may be wrong. Mizz S has been nice enough to answer these questions. Any other women care to join the discussion? Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Peace.

YAY More questions ^.^. Do I think the porn industry is good for trans women? I honestly think it depends on the woman. I dont really think the sex industry is really good for trans activism and awareness as a lot of porn tends to dilute to men what an actual trans women is like, and its actually not as common for trans women to be in the porn industry. For instance out of my large social circle only me and one other girl i know has been a cam girl. But i think if your smart about it, use it to kinda educate and improve the community and own it with confidence then definitely it can benefit the community.

1. I do think that that may be the case in certain part of the world with not great medical care, but at least for me and my group of friends the sex industry isnt a common option for trans women and I network with many around the world. Yes I know a few porn/ webcam/ escort girls but the vast majority of us are regular people with regular jobs

2. Yes porn is often a way many people have discovered about transsexuals. But we would like that not to be the first place people discover us. Being trans is often kinda a hushed topic, and we would rather parents and adults explain to kids/teens what being trans is instead of them stumbling upon it while google searching. lol.

3. The reason why porn creates an unrealistic image of trans women is because they are hyper sexualized, often have many surgeries and their value is put primarily on their image. Similar to cis gender women in porn. I dont have anything against women who do porn at all, I mean I was a webcam girl for 3 years. It just grinds my gears when guys ask me "do you have implants" before they ask me "hows your day going." lol

4. This has always confused me. I don't understand why people would assume your gay because you like trans women. I mean.. from what I can tell, the majority of us.. look like women. Gay men aren't attracted to women. LOL. I feel our society tries to label and put everything into a box. Your gay, your Straight, Your bi, your Good,m Your bad, Your hot Your ugly, Your Skinny, Your fat. Sadly the world and human brain don't work like that. I think it would greatly benefit people to not care what others think of them and not try to label themselves. Just do what feels right. And as I mentioned in a prior post the majority of men that like trans women are heterosexual. LOL. Your just lucky enough to be attracted to everyone ^.^

5.If you think dating as a guy trying to find a trans omen is hard, imagine how hrd it is for us! A lot of dating sites tend to kinda flop for us due to the constant berating of men treating us like sluts who are only there for the D. I think the dating world is hard for anyone though. If you are legit trying to date a trans woman, say that in your first message. be honest, say your not looking for a fling or a hookup and that you are looking for an actual relationship. Treat any trans woman like you would treat a regular woman and be a gentleman. Also sometimes you can spot the escorts when you have been on dating sites long enough. If their profile pics are overtly sexual thats usually a good sign. Also we tend to use real dating sites like ok cupid. You can also try going down to local lgbtq friendly bars and being a gentleman and socializing. Generally most lgbtq friendly bars are just a fun atmosphere anyways and your bi so its kinda like a smorgasbord for you.. jsut remember to now be creepy :p

Some dating nono's :
- Treating us like we are something shameful and need to be hidden in the closet ( we wanna go on dinner not eat in the car. lol)
- Assuming because we were once men we are obligated to put out for you (sex is never an obligation)
- talking about your fantasies before you actually meet us (oh I always dreamed about being with a tgirl)
- Asking us about surgeries (do you have implants)
- Telling us how passable we are.. Just tell us we are pretty ( its a nice compliment and sounds a lot better then "Wow your so passable, i would have never guessed")

Some dating Do's:
- Being a gentleman
- using your manners
- be prod to have us on your arm

LOL. I actually enjoy your rambling ^.^ And what do you mean OTHER TRANS GIRLS. LOL. JK! No I definitely would love some more trans input! And Mister don't ever hesitate to ask more, at least your making an honest effort to learn ^.^
 

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YAY More questions ^.^. Do I think the porn industry is good for trans women? I honestly think it depends on the woman. I dont really think the sex industry is really good for trans activism and awareness as a lot of porn tends to dilute to men what an actual trans women is like, and its actually not as common for trans women to be in the porn industry. For instance out of my large social circle only me and one other girl i know has been a cam girl. But i think if your smart about it, use it to kinda educate and improve the community and own it with confidence then definitely it can benefit the community.

1. I do think that that may be the case in certain part of the world with not great medical care, but at least for me and my group of friends the sex industry isnt a common option for trans women and I network with many around the world. Yes I know a few porn/ webcam/ escort girls but the vast majority of us are regular people with regular jobs

2. Yes porn is often a way many people have discovered about transsexuals. But we would like that not to be the first place people discover us. Being trans is often kinda a hushed topic, and we would rather parents and adults explain to kids/teens what being trans is instead of them stumbling upon it while google searching. lol.

3. The reason why porn creates an unrealistic image of trans women is because they are hyper sexualized, often have many surgeries and their value is put primarily on their image. Similar to cis gender women in porn. I dont have anything against women who do porn at all, I mean I was a webcam girl for 3 years. It just grinds my gears when guys ask me "do you have implants" before they ask me "hows your day going." lol

4. This has always confused me. I don't understand why people would assume your gay because you like trans women. I mean.. from what I can tell, the majority of us.. look like women. Gay men aren't attracted to women. LOL. I feel our society tries to label and put everything into a box. Your gay, your Straight, Your bi, your Good,m Your bad, Your hot Your ugly, Your Skinny, Your fat. Sadly the world and human brain don't work like that. I think it would greatly benefit people to not care what others think of them and not try to label themselves. Just do what feels right. And as I mentioned in a prior post the majority of men that like trans women are heterosexual. LOL. Your just lucky enough to be attracted to everyone ^.^

5.If you think dating as a guy trying to find a trans omen is hard, imagine how hrd it is for us! A lot of dating sites tend to kinda flop for us due to the constant berating of men treating us like sluts who are only there for the D. I think the dating world is hard for anyone though. If you are legit trying to date a trans woman, say that in your first message. be honest, say your not looking for a fling or a hookup and that you are looking for an actual relationship. Treat any trans woman like you would treat a regular woman and be a gentleman. Also sometimes you can spot the escorts when you have been on dating sites long enough. If their profile pics are overtly sexual thats usually a good sign. Also we tend to use real dating sites like ok cupid. You can also try going down to local lgbtq friendly bars and being a gentleman and socializing. Generally most lgbtq friendly bars are just a fun atmosphere anyways and your bi so its kinda like a smorgasbord for you.. jsut remember to now be creepy :p

Some dating nono's :
- Treating us like we are something shameful and need to be hidden in the closet ( we wanna go on dinner not eat in the car. lol)
- Assuming because we were once men we are obligated to put out for you (sex is never an obligation)
- talking about your fantasies before you actually meet us (oh I always dreamed about being with a tgirl)
- Asking us about surgeries (do you have implants)
- Telling us how passable we are.. Just tell us we are pretty ( its a nice compliment and sounds a lot better then "Wow your so passable, i would have never guessed")

Some dating Do's:
- Being a gentleman
- using your manners
- be prod to have us on your arm

LOL. I actually enjoy your rambling ^.^ And what do you mean OTHER TRANS GIRLS. LOL. JK! No I definitely would love some more trans input! And Mister don't ever hesitate to ask more, at least your making an honest effort to learn ^.^

Hey MizzS----some great answers with a little humor. LOL. Maybe I need to move to Canada! I'm thinking of more questions.......Keep smiling.
 

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Question for the day:What is your take on breasts? If I remember correctly, you've mentioned in other posts about men asking about implants. Is this a big or major issue with trans women? Not about implants--but about breasts in general. My assumption is that all women (not just trans women) want, like, and enjoy "breasts" because it's a significant attribute or characteristic that help make them female and feminine.
Again, as a man, my thoughts and perception are that "breasts are good" (I know, pretty simply minded, right?) Meaning----Men like breasts--some like them bigger, some smaller. For us it is pretty much a "sexy" thing (imagine that). Not sure if I care whether a women's breasts are natural or implants. I know that I DON'T like these big 38DD that some women insist on getting, but hey, that's me and who am I to question that? How do trans women think and feel about breasts? Let hormones do their "magic?" Get implants? Thoughts?
 

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Question for the day:What is your take on breasts? If I remember correctly, you've mentioned in other posts about men asking about implants. Is this a big or major issue with trans women? Not about implants--but about breasts in general. My assumption is that all women (not just trans women) want, like, and enjoy "breasts" because it's a significant attribute or characteristic that help make them female and feminine.
Again, as a man, my thoughts and perception are that "breasts are good" (I know, pretty simply minded, right?) Meaning----Men like breasts--some like them bigger, some smaller. For us it is pretty much a "sexy" thing (imagine that). Not sure if I care whether a women's breasts are natural or implants. I know that I DON'T like these big 38DD that some women insist on getting, but hey, that's me and who am I to question that? How do trans women think and feel about breasts? Let hormones do their "magic?" Get implants? Thoughts?


Haha, well I think a lot of trans women do place a large importance on breasts as they are an appendage that aids in the whole feminine dynamic. Of course when a trans individual takes hormones it forces their body to go through puberty again and natural breasts develope. The size of boobs really is dependant on your genes. If the women in your family have larger boobs then the likelihood of you getting bigger boobs over the course of a few years is higher then that of families with smaller breasted women. I think getting implants is really on an individual basis. Out of the many trans friends I have I think only about five or size of them have implants, a good handful want implants and a lot of them are happy with their boobs. So I believe its really an individuals preference. I have smaller boobs and I like them and honestly have no plans ever to get implants.
 
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