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The local Y in my area has a separate locker room for family. Now a days people are more open and accepting and better educated on individual believes and are much more careful and in a lot of cases, paranoid..I never had a problem showering nude and really never thought about it accept for maybe in the 7 th grade being a behind in the pube department then some of the more developed boys,oh also in penis size,lol.
 
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Please don't make sweeping generalizations. I consider myself fairly conservative. I'm a Christian. And I do read the Bible. But guess what? I have absolutely NO ISSUE getting naked in same-gender non-sexual situations like an open shower or locker room.

from this, i think you do have some issues with nudity. fair enough, you get naked in the shower, thats normal.
but would get nake infront of a girl?
Adam and Eve were naked together all the time.
this thread is about how men are confortable being naked together. not just in the shower but in other situations like steam rooms and hot tubes. this does not mean that the guys are getting together to have sex. its about being open and free to yourself and to the people around you. if people.are.confortable being nude then they are confortable with others being nude.
being nude is one of the most natural things in the world. it doesnt necessary mean its going to be in a sexual way.
it just not gay men that go to the Y. its not all about sexual contact these situations.
the fact that your pointing out that your christain, means nothing to us. your a human being like the rest of us and thats how we will see you and treat you.
 

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from this, i think you do have some issues with nudity. fair enough, you get naked in the shower, thats normal.
but would get nake infront of a girl?
Adam and Eve were naked together all the time.
this thread is about how men are confortable being naked together. not just in the shower but in other situations like steam rooms and hot tubes. this does not mean that the guys are getting together to have sex. its about being open and free to yourself and to the people around you. if people.are.confortable being nude then they are confortable with others being nude.
being nude is one of the most natural things in the world. it doesnt necessary mean its going to be in a sexual way.
it just not gay men that go to the Y. its not all about sexual contact these situations.
the fact that your pointing out that your christain, means nothing to us. your a human being like the rest of us and thats how we will see you and treat you.

Maybe you didn't understand me clearly. I wasn't just talking about the shower. I'm comfortable getting naked in any same-gender non-sexual situation. But open showers are the most common of those situations, so that's what I used as an example.

However, you are right that I wouldn't be as casual about getting naked in front of members of the opposite sex. But that's a completely different issue, and it's not the focus of this thread.

I only brought up my religion because I felt another poster made unfair comments about my faith in regard to nudity. Sure, there are always extremists in religious and political groups. But they often don't represent the majority.

Anyway, I think we actually agree with each other here. But perhaps my first post just wasn't very clear. I support all guys getting over themselves and getting naked together in nudity-appropriate situations, regardless of age, race, sexual preference, religion, whatever. lol. Hope that clears things up.
 

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I'm a Christian as well - Roman Catholic to be exact - and maybe I grew up (1) in a different time and (2) in a different environment. I grew up in New Orleans, a city where ultra right conservatism hasn't really existed. I go to Church every Sunday and regardless of what comes from the pulpit (or in my case, from Rome) I have my own relationship with God and lead my life according to that relationship.

The point I was making related more to the proliferation of TV and other right wing evangelists who preach "Christian values" to the lemming-like masses. They preach anti gay union, anti Muslim, anti Catholic, anti sex education, anti sex in general and the followers follow without thinking/deciding for themselves. These are the same preachers caught with whores, gay escorts, drugs etc. Kids today are repressed as a result. Adults are conservative about everything. In an all male locker room I was told I couldn't be naked in the steam room or the sauna or the whirlpool.

Ok, there are "free thinkers" out there who go to their Sunday service/Mass and still act within their own boundaries. You're one of them and I applaud you. I'm gay, I'm a nudist AND I'm Catholic. Will I go to hell? No way! And no one is going to convince me otherwise.

I wish more people would get out of the US for a month (not just to Canada) and experience life elsewhere. Where seeing a woman nursing her baby isn't treated as a criminal act. Where a guy peeing against a tree (of course not on a downtown street) isn't arrested for public indecency. Where, if you want, you can lay out nude in a city park (Munich or Berlin for example).
 

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In an all male locker room I was told I couldn't be naked in the steam room or the sauna or the whirlpool.

That's messed up. And it's just weird. Are these places afraid that guys might find out that other guys have penises?

I wish more people would get out of the US for a month (not just to Canada) and experience life elsewhere.

I agree so much. I once had the opportunity to spend a couple months in Asia. Men and boys of all ages use showers and locker rooms completely naked there without giving it a second thought. In fact, I used to be more modest around other guys. But in one of my first locker room experiences abroad, I actually felt strange being the only one in the room who WASN'T naked. I swallowed my pride, got nude, and never looked back. No one pointed or stared or anything else weird. If anything, it made me fit in better.

I'll admit, my closest circle of buddies didn't use to be as open about nudity as we are now. But after I finished some traveling, I decided I was going to keep my new attitude about nudity alive at home. The next time I went to the gym with a buddy, I immediately stripped when we got to the locker room. (I'm ashamed to admit that we used to shower in swimsuits or wait until we got home.) My buddy gave me some shit about it for a couple minutes, but then he got naked too. It eventually just become normal with our whole group of friends to get naked in situations like that. I guess we were all just waiting for someone to make the first move.

Anyway, I guess I'm a little long-winded today. haha. But anyway, yeah...I might be a Christian. But I also have enough common sense to know there are times when it is perfectly normal to be naked with other guys. Thanks for understanding!
 
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But in one of my first locker room experiences abroad, I actually felt strange being the only one in the room who WASN'T naked. I swallowed my pride, got nude, and never looked back. No one pointed or stared or anything else weird. If anything, it made me fit in better.

This is the exact reason why I believe in open showers. If everyone is naked, a person would look completely odd for not doing the same. When I started using them 21 years ago, open showers were the norm, not the exception they are today. Everyone else was naked, so you just got over yourself and got naked too. Indulging modesty with shower stalls and private change areas makes the situation worse in my opinion. Modesty turns into hyper modesty which eventually turns into full blown paranoia. Guys in turn become less friendly with each other.

I'll admit, my closest circle of buddies didn't use to be as open about nudity as we are now. But after I finished some traveling, I decided I was going to keep my new attitude about nudity alive at home. The next time I went to the gym with a buddy, I immediately stripped when we got to the locker room. (I'm ashamed to admit that we used to shower in swimsuits or wait until we got home.) My buddy gave me some shit about it for a couple minutes, but then he got naked too. It eventually just become normal with our whole group of friends to get naked in situations like that. I guess we were all just waiting for someone to make the first move.

When I got over my modesty 21 years ago (as I previously mentioned), I just started getting naked when in the locker room. I still remember the first time that my best friend at the time and I went in to workout together. After the workout, I just dropped my clothes and said "I need a shower" which was true because I sweat profusely when exercising. He didn't bring any shower gear with him, so he waited in the lobby for me to finish. To my surprise, the next time we worked out, I did the same thing and a minute later he entered the open shower completely naked like me. He used the same Bradley shower pole (each pole has 6 shower heads) as me even though there were plenty of vacant poles available. From that point forward, we showered together after every workout. One guy just has to take the lead.

I also have enough common sense to know there are times when it is perfectly normal to be naked with other guys.

Good for you! Unfortunately that seems to be sorely lacking today among the younger generation. keep doing what you're doing and most guys will follow your lead. Countless times when I have gotten naked and used the showers, younger guys follow suit. :cool:
 

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So what happened in our society that swung so far right? I mean, we (men) accepted this years ago but someone, somewhere was embarrassed and instead of not going back, he must have made a stink. Sure wish people would just leave well enough alone. No one seemed to be hurt with the nudity back then so why be bothered with it now? Conservative Christian Bible thumpers!!! Naked = sex = sin = baaaaaad

I know what happened... it became widely known that the "Y" was a hot bed of sexual activity between men of all races and ages... back in the day, they were more like bath houses, with little rooms, etc. You could live there for months on end if you wanted to. It was a cheap way to make a move to a new city, or a way to get away from a bitchy wife and go "be " with the guys.

Once the village people blabbed all about it in their song, Anita Bryant got all uppity about it and started pointing out what the "C" stood for in YMCA.

They got all embarassed and started to enforce all kinds of new rules and regulations and turned it into a "Family" place which just means that now they suck.

Remember, when the song "In the Navy" came out, the Secretary of the Navy wanted to adopt it as the recruting song for the Navy, until Anita rushed off to his office and explained it all to him... I would have given a lot of money to have heard that conversation.

I don't personally patronize any place that has the word Christian in it, but for a while, it was the best place to go rock out with your cock out, "get yourself clean, have a good mean... do what ever you feel!"
 

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Well I'm not a Christian but I agree with what Phallic Intrigue is saying. Towel dancers and guys who won't get nude have their own hangups and Christianity is not to blame.

When the YMCA was still a Christian organization they had nude swims. Back in the 50's and 60's when most people in the USA still went to church and family values reigned, this was a time when everyone showered naked in school gym classes.

Society is much, much more liberal today than 50 years ago. Pot smoking wasn't accepted back then. People didn't swear as much and the F word wasn't on TV and in top 40 music.

Now I am not particularly conservative w.r.t. social issues (I am a fiscal conservative through and through) but I can see that people getting naked or not has nothing to do with the Christian right or the Tea Party. The issues are unrelated.

If someone can show that kids of Democrats shower naked in communal showers more than the kids of Republicans then they can blame the Moral Majority. Until that happens the argument is complete bullshit.
 
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Well I'm not a Christian but I agree with what Phallic Intrigue is saying. Towel dancers and guys who won't get nude have their own hangups and Christianity is not to blame.

When the YMCA was still a Christian organization they had nude swims. Back in the 50's and 60's when most people in the USA still went to church and family values reigned, this was a time when everyone showered naked in school gym classes.

Society is much, much more liberal today than 50 years ago. Pot smoking wasn't accepted back then. People didn't swear as much and the F word wasn't on TV and in top 40 music.

Now I am not particularly conservative w.r.t. social issues (I am a fiscal conservative through and through) but I can see that people getting naked or not has nothing to do with the Christian right or the Tea Party. The issues are unrelated.

If someone can show that kids of Democrats shower naked in communal showers more than the kids of Republicans then they can blame the Moral Majority. Until that happens the argument is complete bullshit.

I agree with you and phallic intrigue as well. Society is far less conservative today than at any time in the past, yet this obsession with hyper-modesty has exploded over the last 14 years in my experience. I remember when being called "gay" was the worst thing ever, and guys stayed in the closet all thier lives out of fear and a sense of shame. Today no one bats an eye at someone being gay, and in my country (Canada), gay marriage has been legal for quite some time. Homosexuality is more accepted now than at any time in the past. In fact, 4 guys I knew from my fraternity in university came out in the last 10 years, and 2 of them are married to their partners today. As you rightly mentioned in your post, the church was more pervasive in life in the past than it is today when guys were expected to swim naked and shower with other guys out of fear of being thought of as odd or mentally ill. I remember posting a link a couple of years back to a similar discussion on a Christian website. Those guys were just as perplexed by it as we are. Therefore, I don't think this can be blamed on the political right, or on Christian religious groups. That's just an oversimplification of this issue. BTW, I'm a huge supporter of communal same gender, non-sexual nudity (I even started a group on it on LPSG - over 500 members strong today) and I identify as a Conservative Christian as well.
 

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So if it's not the "moral majority" what happened that caused guys to become more conscience of their nakedness? Yes, we're less conservative on some levels, as mentioned above, but on this it seems we've gone backwards. I was raised in an environment where we weren't embarrassed about being naked in front of other guys. We showered together in school and at summer camp. The showers were all open showers. Today, for some strange reason, the gyms and schools (I guess) and camps have gone to more private settings. Urinals now have dividers. Our movies can show T&A, our music can be obnoxious and labeled to protect young ears, but getting naked is frowned upon. That's got to have something to do with the moral majority shoving the naked = sin argument down out throats.
 

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I don't think it has anything to do with politics, religion, or morality. I think it has to do with shifts in society in several ways. A few ideas:

1) Kids are are more spoiled now. They expect more privacy, and whine if they don't get it.

2) Homosexuality isn't as taboo. Guys are more aware that other guys might be sexually attracted to them. Being naked around a bunch of strangers probably heightens this feeling and raises paranoia. I personally don't care if a gay guy checks out my naked body. He can look, he just cant touch. But a lot of younger guys get more freaked out because they're insecure.

3) Young guys don't have as many strong male role models any more. A lot of guys my age and younger grew up or are growing up in a single mom household. I don't want to make any extreme stereotypes; but generally speaking, moms are going to teach their sons to be more private and reserved than their dads would. In my early teens, I had a friend who was being raised by his single mom. One time we were at the mall and went to the bathroom. There was a long line of urinals, and most of them were empty. So I stepped up to one, whipped my cock out and started to piss. While I was pissing, I realized my friend had gone in a stall and locked the door. I thought maybe he had to take a shit...but nope, he was finished in less than a minute. As we were leaving the bathroom, I asked why he didn't just use one of the urinals by me. He said his mom told him it was wrong to let anyone else see his penis because they might try to do something bad to him. We weren't friends for very long (not because of that...just starting getting different interests), but now that I'm thinking back on it, I'm sure there were other examples of him being a sissy. That's just the one I remember most clearly because it seemed so stupid to me at the time. Anyway, I think the lack of dads for a lot of boys these days is probably one of the biggest reasons behind younger guys having absurd notions of modesty.
 

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I don't think it has anything to do with politics, religion, or morality. I think it has to do with shifts in society in several ways. A few ideas:

1) Kids are are more spoiled now. They expect more privacy, and whine if they don't get it.

2) Homosexuality isn't as taboo. Guys are more aware that other guys might be sexually attracted to them. Being naked around a bunch of strangers probably heightens this feeling and raises paranoia. I personally don't care if a gay guy checks out my naked body. He can look, he just cant touch. But a lot of younger guys get more freaked out because they're insecure.

3) Young guys don't have as many strong male role models any more. A lot of guys my age and younger grew up or are growing up in a single mom household. I don't want to make any extreme stereotypes; but generally speaking, moms are going to teach their sons to be more private and reserved than their dads would. In my early teens, I had a friend who was being raised by his single mom. One time we were at the mall and went to the bathroom. There was a long line of urinals, and most of them were empty. So I stepped up to one, whipped my cock out and started to piss. While I was pissing, I realized my friend had gone in a stall and locked the door. I thought maybe he had to take a shit...but nope, he was finished in less than a minute. As we were leaving the bathroom, I asked why he didn't just use one of the urinals by me. He said his mom told him it was wrong to let anyone else see his penis because they might try to do something bad to him. We weren't friends for very long (not because of that...just starting getting different interests), but now that I'm thinking back on it, I'm sure there were other examples of him being a sissy. That's just the one I remember most clearly because it seemed so stupid to me at the time. Anyway, I think the lack of dads for a lot of boys these days is probably one of the biggest reasons behind younger guys having absurd notions of modesty.

That last one is definitely true
 

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wowww some major ignorance going on in some of these earlier post. just because your christian does not mean you are not cool with nudity, with the same gender. i live in a very conservative area and am a christian myself....sooo this is ridiculous. haaha i could prove those statements wrong each and every day...id be glad to show you. ;) haha
 

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wowww some major ignorance going on in some of these earlier post. just because your christian does not mean you are not cool with nudity, with the same gender. i live in a very conservative area and am a christian myself....sooo this is ridiculous. haaha i could prove those statements wrong each and every day...id be glad to show you. ;) haha

The religious argument is BS but the first and last are actually valid
 

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I don't think it has anything to do with politics, religion, or morality. I think it has to do with shifts in society in several ways. A few ideas:

1) Kids are are more spoiled now. They expect more privacy, and whine if they don't get it.

2) Homosexuality isn't as taboo. Guys are more aware that other guys might be sexually attracted to them. Being naked around a bunch of strangers probably heightens this feeling and raises paranoia. I personally don't care if a gay guy checks out my naked body. He can look, he just cant touch. But a lot of younger guys get more freaked out because they're insecure.

3) Young guys don't have as many strong male role models any more. A lot of guys my age and younger grew up or are growing up in a single mom household. I don't want to make any extreme stereotypes; but generally speaking, moms are going to teach their sons to be more private and reserved than their dads would. In my early teens, I had a friend who was being raised by his single mom. One time we were at the mall and went to the bathroom. There was a long line of urinals, and most of them were empty. So I stepped up to one, whipped my cock out and started to piss. While I was pissing, I realized my friend had gone in a stall and locked the door. I thought maybe he had to take a shit...but nope, he was finished in less than a minute. As we were leaving the bathroom, I asked why he didn't just use one of the urinals by me. He said his mom told him it was wrong to let anyone else see his penis because they might try to do something bad to him. We weren't friends for very long (not because of that...just starting getting different interests), but now that I'm thinking back on it, I'm sure there were other examples of him being a sissy. That's just the one I remember most clearly because it seemed so stupid to me at the time. Anyway, I think the lack of dads for a lot of boys these days is probably one of the biggest reasons behind younger guys having absurd notions of modesty.


Bravo for putting this so intelligently. I think you've pegged it. I've always felt that nudity and fooling around in your jockstrap in the locker room are essential for proper male psyche development.
 
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I don't think it has anything to do with politics, religion, or morality. I think it has to do with shifts in society in several ways. A few ideas:

1) Kids are are more spoiled now. They expect more privacy, and whine if they don't get it.

2) Homosexuality isn't as taboo. Guys are more aware that other guys might be sexually attracted to them. Being naked around a bunch of strangers probably heightens this feeling and raises paranoia. I personally don't care if a gay guy checks out my naked body. He can look, he just cant touch. But a lot of younger guys get more freaked out because they're insecure.

3) Young guys don't have as many strong male role models any more. A lot of guys my age and younger grew up or are growing up in a single mom household. I don't want to make any extreme stereotypes; but generally speaking, moms are going to teach their sons to be more private and reserved than their dads would. In my early teens, I had a friend who was being raised by his single mom. One time we were at the mall and went to the bathroom. There was a long line of urinals, and most of them were empty. So I stepped up to one, whipped my cock out and started to piss. While I was pissing, I realized my friend had gone in a stall and locked the door. I thought maybe he had to take a shit...but nope, he was finished in less than a minute. As we were leaving the bathroom, I asked why he didn't just use one of the urinals by me. He said his mom told him it was wrong to let anyone else see his penis because they might try to do something bad to him. We weren't friends for very long (not because of that...just starting getting different interests), but now that I'm thinking back on it, I'm sure there were other examples of him being a sissy. That's just the one I remember most clearly because it seemed so stupid to me at the time. Anyway, I think the lack of dads for a lot of boys these days is probably one of the biggest reasons behind younger guys having absurd notions of modesty.


Perfectly stated. I agree with everything you said! :151:
 

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Bravo for putting this so intelligently. I think you've pegged it. I've always felt that nudity and fooling around in your jockstrap in the locker room are essential for proper male psyche development.

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This.

Although, its not everything since in Australia we don't have nudity in school change rooms or jockstraps and lots of us turn out very masculine
 

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... I wish more people would get out of the US for a month (not just to Canada) and experience life elsewhere. Where seeing a woman nursing her baby isn't treated as a criminal act. Where a guy peeing against a tree (of course not on a downtown street) isn't arrested for public indecency. Where, if you want, you can lay out nude in a city park (Munich or Berlin for example).

You wish more people would get out of the U.S.? But isn't there the danger that if we could afford to leave for a while, we might not want to come back? I hear so much disturbing stuff about the U.S. becoming a police state. So where is a good place to expatriate to? I read the U.S. is a "has-been" country, and the U.S. doesn't appear to me to be serious about solving its problems. I feel trapped here.

I agree that a mother nursing her baby is completely natural and to-be-expected. As is pregnancy for married people.

Other than that, I do not believe public nudity is appropriate, well except for the proper places, such as locker-rooms, communal showers, maybe the hot tub or sauna, where one would presumably have a reason for nudity. Showering with clothes on, is ridiculous.
 

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This.

Although, its not everything since in Australia we don't have nudity in school change rooms or jockstraps and lots of us turn out very masculine

Oh, I know. It's not that you HAVE to have it. I just think it's cool if you can. I'm sure guys who don't have jockstraps as part of their culture find other ways. I wonder, esp in the past, if world-class athletes that compete in international competitions have conversations about jockstraps. I mean, would someone who'd never seen one at, say, the Olympics comment on them and think they're strange. I admit that the bare ass thing IS kinda weird, even tho' I'm used to it.
 
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Please don't make sweeping generalizations. I consider myself fairly conservative. I'm a Christian. And I do read the Bible. But guess what? I have absolutely NO ISSUE getting naked in same-gender non-sexual situations like an open shower or locker room. My closest friends share views similar to my own, and they don't have any hangups about nudity in situations like that either.

In fact, earlier this summer, a bunch of us went to a water resort for a little day trip. The guys locker room there only had an open shower room with five or six shower heads on each side. I noticed a lot of guys there didn't bother using the showers or changing before they left. But me and my four friends ALL SHOWERED NAKED WITH EACH OTHER. That's right, five CHRISTIAN guys in their late teens to mid-20s showering naked together. No hint of sexuality. No boners. Just some talking and joking around.

The really ironic part is that there was another group of friends using the showers too. It was four guys, probably in their mid teens, showering in their board shorts. They were cussing just about every other word. (And I'm not saying that means they WEREN'T Christians. But they weren't really acting like they were.) Me and my friends started off in our shorts too, so we could rinse off the chlorine. But after a couple minutes, we took off our shorts and started soaping up. The younger guys saw us, and after a few minutes, they got naked too! We even chatted a little bit, and they started to tone down their language. My point with this story is that it was the conservative Christian guys who set a good example of acceptable nudity for guys who were acting more liberal and non-Christian.

I don't post often. And I certainly rarely make posts this long. But your comment seemed out of line, and I wanted to give you an example to think about. Also, you may want to lay off using the term "bible thumper". It is offensive to Christians in the same way the "f" word is to homosexuals.

Peace out.

As you rightly mentioned in your post, the church was more pervasive in life in the past than it is today when guys were expected to swim naked and shower with other guys out of fear of being thought of as odd or mentally ill. I remember posting a link a couple of years back to a similar discussion on a Christian website. Those guys were just as perplexed by it as we are. Therefore, I don't think this can be blamed on the political right, or on Christian religious groups. That's just an oversimplification of this issue. BTW, I'm a huge supporter of communal same gender, non-sexual nudity (I even started a group on it on LPSG - over 500 members strong today) and I identify as a Conservative Christian as well.

I was thinking about this thread today while I was working out at my Y. When I entered the adult men's locker room, I noticed 2 guys in there in their late 20s early 30s. They were both pretty good looking and had decent physiques (they were still clothed). Imagine my surprise when one of them took off his coat and he had a priest's/minister's collar around his neck! As I have mentioned before, using this locker room comes at a premium price, so most of the guys that have access to it use the facilities that are offered. After my workout, I was using the wet area (steam room and hot tub) which everyone uses naked. I walked into the open shower and there were these same 2 guys having a shower together just as naked as everyone else. There was no hiding, towel dancing, etc. The priest/minister used the shower, towelled off and got changed back into his clothes just like everyone else. That was the first time that I have showered with a priest/minister, and it was cool to see him so relaxed about being naked with everone else. Again, I don't think this hyper modesty nowadays has anything to with Christianity.
 
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