Rachel dolezal identifies as black...

[ColonelLingus]

the white NAACP leader who identifies as black-
my question is= how is it any different than lets say Bruce Jenner being born in the wrong gender? If thats PC to accept why is this off of liberals agenda?

 

[CUBE]

If she had been upfront about it she might have an argument for her position. She lied on a resume with direct intent of deseption. I was also thinking can I just go ahead and say I'm Native American and start getting gov checks? It's interesting to hear her parents speak. Another week in the news I guess

 

[LaFemme]

I don't feel it's the same thing at all. She's not "trans-racial", born in the wrong body and calling herself as such trivializes transgender persons. She considered herself Caucasian when she sued Howard University for being a white person being "denied" a teaching position. One cannot switch back and forth like the crayons in her childhood crayon box.

If she wants to engage in African American culture, go ahead. Tons of people identify with various cultural beliefs, but it doesn't make them Japanese, Korean, Native American or Jamaican. It might make them a wanna-be at worst and a cultural ally at best.

 

[Daisy]

Oh brother..here we go. Try reading this:
Why Rachel Dolezal cannot be compared to Caitlyn Jenner
Back to the TOPIC on hand....
I have questions!!!!!

1. How did this nut job pass as black? She looks like a white lady with a spray tan and a bad wig. She does not look black and yet she got a job as a college professor in black studies??? WTF! NAACP didnt notice she was a white chick in a wig!!??

2. How on earth did she think she could become a black activist when she was white up until 2010? She had to have known that thousands of people would say "um no she's not black"

3. Does anyone think she'll eventually cave in to the public outrage and start being 'white" again?

 

[Daisy]

Oh and another question. Why is the world all abuzz that Rachel Dolzeal pretends to be black when this man flat out had plastic surgery to become Asian? What's the difference?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/04/xiahn-nishi-plastic-surgery_n_5447600.html

 

[Daisy]

OK upon further reflection I guess he was upfront about it. But it's still "cultural appropriation" the buzzword of the day

 

[LaFemme]

OK upon further reflection I guess he was upfront about it. But it's still "cultural appropriation" the buzzword of the day

He looks like an anime character. Maybe that's what he was going for.

People are strange. Jim Morrison.

 

[Brisler]

I don't see why a white person can't teach African Studies or be an NAACP activist, but the lack of honesty is a whole different thing (and I don't understand how she had people fooled either), and this woman seems to be far removed from earth. She seems like a real douche.

It looks like she's continuously lying about her "real" father being being black, while referring to her father as her "white stepfather", comparing her parents' treatment of he to the suffering the slaves had to go through... I think I kinda somehow understand why her parents are seriously pissed off.

Add to that the lies about being the victim of several hate crimes in a desperate attempt to prove her experiences with racism. I think she's doing the fight against racism a huge disservice by all her stupid stereotyping.

 

[ColonelLingus]

Oh brother..here we go. Try reading this:
Why Rachel Dolezal cannot be compared to Caitlyn Jenner
Back to the TOPIC on hand....
I have questions!!!!!

1. How did this nut job pass as black? She looks like a white lady with a spray tan and a bad wig. She does not look black and yet she got a job as a college professor in black studies??? WTF! NAACP didnt notice she was a white chick in a wig!!??

2. How on earth did she think she could become a black activist when she was white up until 2010? She had to have known that thousands of people would say "um no she's not black"

3. Does anyone think she'll eventually cave in to the public outrage and start being 'white" again?

MY REBUTTLE: (this time with Caitlin Jenner)
1. How did this masculine 6'2 Olympic athelete pass as female? She would never pass for full female without the janice dickinson plastic surgery
2. How on earth did she think she could become a woman at 65 with the world knowing full well who the hell Bruce is. Logic says no. She had to have known that thousands of people would say "um no she's a he"
3. Does anyone think she'll eventually cave and start being 'male" again?

 

[ColonelLingus]

If youre gonna go liberal might as well do it all around

 

[Hatt_101]

Oh brother..here we go. Try reading this:
Why Rachel Dolezal cannot be compared to Caitlyn Jenner
Back to the TOPIC on hand....
I have questions!!!!!

1. How did this nut job pass as black? She looks like a white lady with a spray tan and a bad wig. She does not look black and yet she got a job as a college professor in black studies??? WTF! NAACP didnt notice she was a white chick in a wig!!??

2. How on earth did she think she could become a black activist when she was white up until 2010? She had to have known that thousands of people would say "um no she's not black"

3. Does anyone think she'll eventually cave in to the public outrage and start being 'white" again?

Only heard about this from the Hodge twins

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to answer some of question 1) in some of her more recent pictures https://www.google.ca/search?q=Rach...LxsAX4-YGwDw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=643 she does look light skinned i have relatives that are light skinned and some what look like her in her more recent pictures.

 

[LaFemme]

Um,no. Two separate things. I see what you're doing there, though. Apparently you don't like what you perceive as the "liberal agenda", in this case a transgender issue; therefore you are taking a completely different issue and trying prove how ridiculous "liberals" are.

However, it's tantamount to saying that if your are meat eater, why don't you eat humans? It's not even the same conversation. If you want to say you think transgender is wrong, say it. Or liberals are evil - say it. And if that's your problem - take it to politics. Someone there will argue with you all day.

 

[LadyJesseQuinn]

the white NAACP leader who identifies as black-
my question is= how is it any different than lets say Bruce Jenner being born in the wrong gender? If thats PC to accept why is this off of liberals agenda?

I'm not a liberal, I'm a democratic socialist but I'll reply anyway

what Dolezan has done is not about discovering the courage to reveal a true identity, she's a white chica who chose to appropriate an identity and a history that was not hers to claim. she did so in furtherance of her own warped ideas (let's not forget she sued Howard U ffs).

It's sad to me that the US 'comedy' shows provided the best analysis of this event, pointing out first that she could have been a better ally to the cause of social justice by embracing her privilege towards just ends rather than co-opting the oppression peeps experience every day. Another salient point: she lied about being the subject of racial injustice. Her 'outing' grants peeps license to dismiss instances of real injustice out of hand, and for that reason alone I find her conduct disgusting

I guess I take this personally because I'm half Mi'kmaq yet I'm white as fuck. My mom is almost as dark as my Jamaican husband but I took after my anglo Dad, blue eyes and all. I got her cheekbones tho, thank you Great Pumpkin.

Point is, I've never experienced first hand the bullshit my racialized husband, friends and family have had to deal with on the daily but I have seen it and felt it through their experiences. Going into a store with my mom back in T.O. meant every eye was upon us, my husband and I actually moved apartments (we has a sweet low rent place in Rosedale due to an old prof of mine who needed a sublet) because we couldn't deal with the cops harassing both my husband coming home from work and any of our friends (all of who were racialized so they just didn't 'seem normal') who came over so we moved further south to Wellesley. Along with all of the above the majority of my work before leaving T.O. was dealing with racism in the school system. This ish is not fairy tales.

Point is, I cannot fathom wanting to eschew my own skin privilege to adopt a struggle that's not my own. I work my privilege in any way I can towards just ends because I'm in a position as a pale person to do it. In contrast, I find her conduct to be the the height of arrogance and her behavior offers no benefit to anyone.

 

[AlteredEgo]

People keep saying she doesn't look black, and asking how don't know. Well, I have black cousins with white skin, sandy hair, and blue or green eyes. You'd think they were white too. Most people do. I'm descended from slaves who ran away and survived by selling their hip-length, silky red hair to white women as hairpieces. I have many relatives who would "pass for white" faster than this white woman who was pretendign to be black. THAT is why she was able to fool people. We come in so many shades because even if you're mostly white, a single drop of black blood makes you black. That used to be the law here.

 

[CUBE]

I love just hearing the opinions here. You people write so well. Sorry off topic. I just think it's so amazing she got so far. I'll give her that. I understand the ideals/identity of a culture and embracing them. I worked with Native American tribes and helped take some of their traditions to school wife theatrical form. Even got to go through a rebirthing process to understand it all. But I don't think it would be fair to say I'm Native Anerican and check that box for government aid. It would be a lie. Do I think there even should be a box to check? Not really. But I can't ignore the established order to fit my needs alone. Interesting her parents reaction.

 

[Daisy]

MY REBUTTLE: (this time with Caitlin Jenner)
1. How did this masculine 6'2 Olympic athelete pass as female? She would never pass for full female without the janice dickinson plastic surgery
2. How on earth did she think she could become a woman at 65 with the world knowing full well who the hell Bruce is. Logic says no. She had to have known that thousands of people would say "um no she's a he"
3. Does anyone think she'll eventually cave and start being 'male" again?

I'm not even going to waste my breath. Think whatever you want dude.

 

[superbot]

Rachael and Bruce same delusion..

 

[temptotalk]

Never thought i'd get to this point but i kind of have to agree with the assholes on this. Biologically speaking...Bruce Jenner is no more a woman than Rachel Dolzeal is african american. And that is a very sad evaluation to come to.

 

[LadyJesseQuinn]

People keep saying she doesn't look black, and asking how don't know. Well, I have black cousins with white skin, sandy hair, and blue or green eyes. You'd think they were white too. Most people do. I'm descended from slaves who ran away and survived by selling their hip-length, silky red hair to white women as hairpieces. I have many relatives who would "pass for white" faster than this white woman who was pretendign to be black. THAT is why she was able to fool people. We come in so many shades because even if you're mostly white, a single drop of black blood makes you black. That used to be the law here.

you hit on a point that I think a lot of peeps don't understand, that 'race' as a biological concept doesn't actually exist. It's real in it's consequences for damn sure, but it's a wholly social construct.

you perfectly illustrated why with your reference to the legal system. In the US and Canada this played out in two really revealing ways when it comes to peeps labeled 'Black' or 'Native'. At the time blood quantum laws were entrenched Black peeps weren't even considered people, they had no right to resources and were exploited for their labor. At the same time, Native peeps (while still subject to appalling oppression) had treaty rights, and gov resources were made available based upon population of any given band. The higher the Native pop, the more it cost the government. That meant it was in the interests of the law makers to 'create' as many peeps as Black and as few peeps as possible as Native.

As a result even a drop of Black blood meant someone was considered 'Black', whereas the rules were flipped when it came to Native peeps. The rules for maintaining legal Native status were (and still are) ridiculous, for example in Canada a Native women would lose her legal Native status if she married a white guy.

The construction of race was built upon power and money and is primarily concerned with who is granted access to either. it has nothing to do with biology. thanks for bringing up that really important point.

 

[b.c.]

People keep saying she doesn't look black, and asking how don't know. Well, I have black cousins with white skin, sandy hair, and blue or green eyes. You'd think they were white too. Most people do. I'm descended from slaves who ran away and survived by selling their hip-length, silky red hair to white women as hairpieces. I have many relatives who would "pass for white" faster than this white woman who was pretendign to be black. THAT is why she was able to fool people. We come in so many shades because even if you're mostly white, a single drop of black blood makes you black. That used to be the law here.

you hit on a point that I think a lot of peeps don't understand, that 'race' as a biological concept doesn't actually exist. It's real in it's consequences for damn sure, but it's a wholly social construct.

you perfectly illustrated why with your reference to the legal system. In the US and Canada this played out in two really revealing ways when it comes to peeps labeled 'Black' or 'Native'. At the time blood quantum laws were entrenched Black peeps weren't even considered people, they had no right to resources and were exploited for their labor. At the same time, Native peeps (while still subject to appalling oppression) had treaty rights, and gov resources were made available based upon population of any given band. The higher the Native pop, the more it cost the government. That meant it was in the interests of the law makers to 'create' as many peeps as Black and as few peeps as possible as Native.

As a result even a drop of Black blood meant someone was considered 'Black', whereas the rules were flipped when it came to Native peeps. The rules for maintaining legal Native status were (and still are) ridiculous, for example in Canada a Native women would lose her legal Native status if she married a white guy.

The construction of race was built upon power and money and is primarily concerned with who is granted access to either. it has nothing to do with biology. thanks for bringing up that really important point.

You both make good points. Around these parts (where I live) black people who look white (and visa versa) are a dime a dozen. And I've posted articles before (in the politics section) that address the social (and mental) constructs of race. (and here they are again):

http://www.vox.com/2014/12/22/7431391/guess-where-white-americans-have-the-most-african-ancestry

http://www.vox.com/2014/10/10/6943461/race-social-construct-origins-census

http://www.vox.com/2014/10/27/70629...ism-quotas-eugenics-map-settled-united-states

I think generally speaking, racial identity is, in part, a result of one's life experiences, which explains why a "mixed race" person like Obama can readily identify with black concerns.

The problem (and no doubt the basis of the objection of some to Ms. Dolezal) is when that identity becomes conveniently employed (or dismissed) as one sees fit. This op ed from columnist J. Bouie (slate.com) makes some interesting and thought provoking observations in that regard:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...e_naacp_official_was_part_of_the_african.html