"real women"

[jaap_stam]

http://thoughtcatalog.com/ari-eastman/2015/04/what-a-real-woman-looks-like/

What are your thoughts on these recent "real women" campaigns that are critical of the fashion and beauty products industry?

In the one hand I can understand the self esteem issues that seeing fake thin women constantly can bring, but on the other it does seem to minimize the work that women who look fantastic without photoshop put in to look good. It's almost like self esteem is zero sum.

Thoughts?

 

[TexanStar]

http://thoughtcatalog.com/ari-eastman/2015/04/what-a-real-woman-looks-like/

What are your thoughts on these recent "real women" campaigns that are critical of the fashion and beauty products industry?

The "Real Women" item that you linked does not match your statement (it's not in and of itself critical of fashion and beauty products industry) so I'd need clarification about what you want me to remark on.

 

[jaap_stam]

The discussion points are in the OP

 

[TexanStar]

I see the sentences you wrote. I just don't understand what they mean.

The only evidence of a "real women" campaign that you linked doesn't go into detail about the fashion industry or beauty products industry. It asserts that "real women" are as they are and that they as unique and varied as anyone else. I can agree with that sentiment, but I don't see how it ties back to your statements about self esteem or effort put into appearing attractive.

 

[jaap_stam]

I see the sentences you wrote. I just don't understand what they mean.

The only evidence of a "real women" campaign that you linked doesn't go into detail about the fashion industry or beauty products industry. It asserts that "real women" are as they are and that they as unique and varied as anyone else. I can agree with that sentiment, but I don't see how it ties back to your statements about self esteem or effort put into appearing attractive.

I feel that you are being intentionally obtuse. Why hijack the thread if you don't understand the topic? I just did a google search of "real women" and a whole host of examples are available.

Here- http://www.mybodygallery.com/
http://www.people.com/article/post-pregnancy-body-photographs
http://www.xojane.com/issues/real-beach-bodies-gallery
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...s-female-gaming-characters-normal-bodies.html

 

[Tattooed Goddess]

I've been super thin and I've been overweight. I was a real woman the whole time. Never thought of myself any differently.

 

[Tattooed Goddess]

I meant to add that I've been in the modeling industry and I've been told when I was under 100lbs that I needed to lose weight if I expected to get work. Needless to say, I parted ways quickly with my agent. Back then there weren't plus sized models or obese models. I am glad to see them all over now. It's more representative of what "many" women look like. Anything that stops the self loathing is a good thing.

 

[LaFemme]

It can a long time to become comfortable in ones own skin. That is one regret I have.

In my twenties I had incredible body. I honestly had no clue. I was incredibly self-conscious, my tummy wasn't concave enough, my hips not quite curvy enough, my neck not quit long enough - the catalog of physical errors was huge. I had offers to model, recruit escorts, offers to be the Sunshine girl, caused a car accident, never paid a cover charge, and always got back stage at concerts.

I had no idea that magazines were retouched. I just couldn't match up. Sure part of my insecurity was part of my upbringing, but a part of the culture was the culture of beauty.

Now, I'm am far from physical perfection and it's been a long time since I stopped traffic. But I feel so much more comfortable and far more beautiful and confident than I did in my twenties. I look back at that gorgeous girl and wish I could tell her to enjoy herself more, to not waste one second worrying about her body because she will never be more beautiful than she is at that moment.

And that goes for each one of us today. No matter what age, what size. Today. You will never be this age again. You will never be more beautiful than you are at this moment. Breathe. Enjoy. Take it in. Don't waste a second worrying on comparing yourself to others. You are enough.

 

[AlteredEgo]

I feel that you are being intentionally obtuse. Why hijack the thread if you don't understand the topic? I just did a google search of "real women" and a whole host of examples are available.

Here- http://www.mybodygallery.com/
http://www.people.com/article/post-pregnancy-body-photographs
http://www.xojane.com/issues/real-beach-bodies-gallery
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...s-female-gaming-characters-normal-bodies.html

I think the issue is that you linked to an article that seems more about trans-acceptance, diversity in womanhood, et cetera. In light of the fact that you can indeed do a half-assed query of any search engine and find articles and images that match the wording of the OP, I think the challenges posed to you are reasinable and valid.

 

[huguest]

I heard a discussion on the radio today about this topic. The guest on the radio show, was furious about the new Trend of the "real woman". She was saying that event if it's more "voluptuous woman" and more of the day to day's woman, They are still retouched by photoshop a lot. No cellulite, no flabby arm's, perfect skin. It still imply that woman need to keep a higher standard. All beauty products are still there and promoted. There's nothing real about the "real woman" trend except the size of the package.

 

[Betty_Cocker]

I think the issue is that you linked to an article that seems more about trans-acceptance, diversity in womanhood, et cetera. In light of the fact that you can indeed do a half-assed query of any search engine and find articles and images that match the wording of the OP, I think the challenges posed to you are reasinable and valid.

(PS..you always want AE on your side.. she's extremely bright and well-versed.)

I am happy that the entertainment world is focusing on beauty as an inner trait instead of something one person has defined in the way of looks. (Like LaFemme, I was told in my early years I should model, but just could not see it back then. I was definitely no Twiggy. My self perception just did not jive based on what I saw on TV and in magazines.) The super thin model will always be around, but at least now we get to see plus size models that are extremely confident and portray beauty! Sit coms, movies, musicians, and other talents are also expanding their very limited view of how a person should look. (for example, I love Colby Caillat's song "Try", Amy Schumer is out of this word sexy, Queen Latifa, ballerina Misty Copeland are just a sampling of "real women" who have defied the "rail-thin model type" to make their mark in their respective careers.

I love that these women are confident and beautiful. Another thing I am noticing in the modeling world (via magazines, commercials, etc.) is that we are seeing more beautiful women as we age. Just because we are aging doesn't mean we have to forego beauty. I love seeing silver haired foxes with beautiful and proud lines on their faces.

you can disagree, but I think this is a very good turn!

what_is_a_real_woman?

 

[Scarletbegonia]

Loved the linked text.

I also struggled to find your meaning. Miscommunication takes two.

I immediately thought of Dove's Real Beauty campaign, with the sped up video showing what goes on with first the model and then the image.

Yes, people need images that balance the fashion and porn ideals.
Yes, it's ok to go to effort with your looks. But it should t be the definition of your value.

 

[jaap_stam]

(PS..you always want AE on your side.. she's extremely bright and well-versed.)

I am happy that the entertainment world is focusing on beauty as an inner trait instead of something one person has defined in the way of looks. (Like LaFemme, I was told in my early years I should model, but just could not see it back then. I was definitely no Twiggy. My self perception just did not jive based on what I saw on TV and in magazines.) The super thin model will always be around, but at least now we get to see plus size models that are extremely confident and portray beauty! Sit coms, movies, musicians, and other talents are also expanding their very limited view of how a person should look. (for example, I love Colby Caillat's song "Try", Amy Schumer is out of this word sexy, Queen Latifa, ballerina Misty Copeland are just a sampling of "real women" who have defied the "rail-thin model type" to make their mark in their respective careers.

I love that these women are confident and beautiful. Another thing I am noticing in the modeling world (via magazines, commercials, etc.) is that we are seeing more beautiful women as we age. Just because we are aging doesn't mean we have to forego beauty. I love seeing silver haired foxes with beautiful and proud lines on their faces.

you can disagree, but I think this is a very good turn!

No, I don't disagree in the slightest (even about AE )

Some of the attacks on fit women, in the name of "real women" seems more like preservation of ego/jealousy than self-love.

The selfies in question:
https://www.facebook.com/YahooStyle/posts/919416134757941
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-picture-flat-stomach-days-giving-birth.html

 

[TexanStar]

It asserts that "real women" are as they are and that they as unique and varied as anyone else. I can agree with that sentiment, but I don't see how it ties back to your statements about self esteem or effort put into appearing attractive.

I feel that you are being intentionally obtuse. Why hijack the thread if you don't understand the topic? I just did a google search of "real women" and a whole host of examples are available.

Some of the attacks on fit women, in the name of "real women" seems more like preservation of ego/jealousy than self-love.

If I was trying to be obtuse I wouldn't have tried to answer you.

At first it came across as a general question about what people thought of the concept that not all women look like fashion models but are still real women (to which I can only say "Yeah, I agree").

But now it comes across more like you're concerned that some women are trying to shame women who are in peak physical condition? Your links are all over the place. You lead in with positive links, and follow up with negative ones?

If it's this last batch of links you want to discuss, sure, while I don't think the results those models had after childbirth are typical, I also don't think people should be picking on them. <--- That's another opinion. I'm trying to answer you, not hijack your thread, but you're bouncing around.

 

[Betty_Cocker]

No, I don't disagree in the slightest (even about AE )

Some of the attacks on fit women, in the name of "real women" seems more like preservation of ego/jealousy than self-love.

The selfies in question:
https://www.facebook.com/YahooStyle/posts/919416134757941
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-picture-flat-stomach-days-giving-birth.html

I can see that.. but ... there's always going to be someone out there to take something good and turn it into a "hate" thing.

Haters gonna hate...

 

[temptotalk]

I heard a discussion on the radio today about this topic. The guest on the radio show, was furious about the new Trend of the "real woman". She was saying that event if it's more "voluptuous woman" and more of the day to day's woman, They are still retouched by photoshop a lot. No cellulite, no flabby arm's, perfect skin. It still imply that woman need to keep a higher standard. All beauty products are still there and promoted. There's nothing real about the "real woman" trend except the size of the package.

That last part isn't true. You gotta start somewhere. If they're able to start at size now then they'll eventually get to everything else.

 

[EllieP]

I've lived a mixed up life. I always wanted to be a boy because my Dad didn't have any boys. I was the closest thing he had, and I did everything that any male hand would do. A switched was flipped automatically later in life, and I wanted to become a mother so badly that I did a bad thing. I married to become a mom first before becoming a wife. We were doomed as a couple.

So really the only body issues I had when I was younger was that I got boobs when I didn't want boobs. That really pissed me off. And then they just kept a-comin'.

My social life during this time was nil. I never got asked out except twice. One to whom I lost my virginity, and my now ex-husband.

When I needed body reassurance I got just the opposite from my ex who said I was now ruined because of the baby, and nobody would ever want somebody that looked like me. Try to live that one down.

I lived that lie for almost two years after he left. I did lose the baby weight and began to take care of myself. But that those words had burned a hole in my mind and self-doubt persisted. Even when I was asked out I assumed it was a pity date.

It took a close girlfriend to be my reality mirror. She convinced me that I was not as hideous as I thought. I was nowhere near the shape I am now, but I was far from being the pig I had in my mind. I never compared myself to anyone else because it was useless - I would always lose anyway. So magazine models never fazed me. That was an unattainable goal.

It was my move away from home that finally got my head straight. I became independent and strong. But even then I didn't care what I looked like. I believed that I looked good. And because of that belief I kept on working out and shaping up.

I never changed my self-image since that eureka moment. I am who I want to be - not nearly perfect, but as perfect as I want to get.

And you know what? I can lighten up and let loose anytime I want, and I do! But I know that I'll go running back to the gym later on.

And I sometimes still act like a boy.

 

[huguest]

That last part isn't true. You gotta start somewhere. If they're able to start at size now then they'll eventually get to everything else.

Well Actually I was just relate what the guest of the show was saying, For my perspective, I don't read magazine, It's not touching me one bit, You are what you consume...

If I could relate, I could say that LPSG promote Bad image of the male anatomy, and in the name of self esteem, we should shut down LPSG. It true that some of the user of LPSG are hurt in their self esteem, and develop bad sex pattern.

We don't want LPSG shut down! What we need is people using some good sense and some confidence in their self image. Don't come to LPSG if you just want to compare and degrade yourself.

I know it not the subject, but it was a fun comparison to do and it the only way I could relate.

 

[temptotalk]

Well Actually I was just relate what the guest of the show was saying, For my perspective, I don't read magazine, It's not touching me one bit, You are what you consume...

If I could relate, I could say that LPSG promote Bad image of the male anatomy, and in the name of self esteem, we should shut down LPSG. It true that some of the user of LPSG are hurt in their self esteem, and develop bad sex pattern.

We don't want LPSG shut down! What we need is people using some good sense and some confidence in their self image. Don't come to LPSG if you just want to compare and degrade yourself.

I know it not the subject, but it was a fun comparison to do and it the only way I could relate.

Maybe i should have said we? instead of you? as in a general statement? My reply was towards the statement. And i don't see how those topics are at all relateable but hey whatever floats your boat.

 

[lapdog2001]

The many varied and insightful responses from the 'real women' of LPSG is one of the reasons I've been a member here for the last 11 years!
Thank you ladies! <insert missing 'bowing' smiley face here>