3664shaken said:
we aren’t fighting, hell we aren’t even debating. You would have to ENGAGE my arguments first.
What makes you think anyone has to approach you first? This isn’t a bar and nobody is here trying to fuck you. You posted your beliefs and I posted mine. If you want ANY credibility on this subject matter, you need to strengthen your argument while finding fault with mine, and you haven’t done that despite your declarations. That’s how a debate works and much to your catty chagrin you’re soaking in it.
It's come painfully obvious that you are googling links as we go, trying to educate your feeble anger enraged mammalian brain.
Not only do you continue to foolishly assume I can’t form a coherent thought because I said I had a right to be angry about the way a politician handled the AIDS crisis in the 80s, you continually act as if I wasn’t alive during that decade and all of this is new to me. I am a thirty-six year old, gay man, little girl. Do the math.
Just like a lawyer putting together a case or a scientist putting together a hypothesis for testing, a person creating an argument provides reference material to prove the statements they’re making are factual. If you didn’t believe a word that I said, I provided additional links to verify. You obviously don’t believe me, so I told you to look it up and I gave you variable sources. You didn’t do that either and resorted to underhanded personal attacks even after I told you not to. You also didn’t heed any of my warnings when you were crossing the line. So now, I’m reading you for the bitch you really are. Congrats on becoming my next victim.
HALF-TRUTH: Reagan did more than any other world leader at the time
HALF-TRUTH: America was on the cutting edge in research and still is due to the money Reagan authorized
FACT: The crisis was already at a pandemic level in 1980, when it was discovered the HIV virus was present in 5 continents infecting 100K-300K people.
FACT: The CDC discovered a rare form of pneumonia in 1981 but did not link it right away to the virus. That same year, the first AIDS case was found in the UK.
FACT: By 1982, the virus now labeled as GRID (or “gay cancer” by ill-informed people), manifested to over 400 cases in America, with Uguanda and Haiti documenting their first. Scientists renamed the virus from GRID (gay-related immune deficiency) to AIDS. The first signs of commercially available preventive info and awareness were provided by voluntary organizations such as the San Francisco AIDS Foundation (SFAF), the Gay Men's health Crisis (GMHC) and The Terrence Higgins Trust in the UK. They did it on their own with no political leader, not even Reagan, saying a word about it or providing any funding.
FACT: In 1983, AIDS cases in America reach over 3000, a third of them now dead. Doctors in France isolated a new virus that is speculated to be the cause of AIDS. Similar AIDS cases emerged in other countries including Germany, Denmark and various parts of Africa. More research was done in Belgium to show the virus was not exclusive to just gay men, IV drug users, heroin addicts or people who received blood transfusions. The first of two global AIDS meetings, including the first European World Health Organization were conducted. It was discovered that AIDS was present in America, Canada, Australia, Japan, fifteen European countries, Haiti and Zaire as well as in seven Latin American countries.
FACT: ALL THIS TRANSPIRED BEFORE OUR GOVERNMENT REACTED WITH ANY KIND OF MANDATORY OR DISCRETIONARY FUNDING ON AIDS RESEARCH. The amount of money offered the first year was trivial at best, as represented by numbers provided by the Kaiser Family Foundation. By that time, much damage was already done and Reagan STILL didn’t mutter a word about it to the public while people were going into a state of fear.
HALF-TRUTH: Surgeon General Koop under Reagan, was the first national leader to claim that moral judgments should be made.
What year did that happened? 1986.
SIX YEARS of silence from our nation’s leader about AIDS as it manifested to a global problem years previous. After more than 31,000 AIDS cases were reported in our country, the highest of them all that year. More than Africa, Haiti, Asia and Europe COMBINED. And to add insult to injury, even Koop referenced our nation’s long silence on the AIDS epidemic. You can read it on his bio.
You have ZERO facts to dispute
That’s because
you can’t dispute them.
Beyond cliff-noted political talking points, you don’t know how to rewrite this kind of history to favor your distorted rhetoric.
the obvious only anger and stupid rhetoric and you think that counts little boy. God what a stupid male you are.
My frustration generates from your manic obsession to put words in my mouth, to distort my comments into exaggerated bouts of pseudo-moralistic banter that make no sense, and to dream up phony excuses as to why you think I’m not mentally capable of having an honest debate. I guess that’s what stupid bitches do when they have an argument with no substance?
Your protestations about this is ALL about Reagan have been swept under the rug now it’s all about current. God little boy you are like a sheet twisting in the wind.
You are officially the dumbest bitch on the forum.
“Current” referred to the arguments I had presented to you over my last few posts up to that point in this thread. I then relisted my backing sources and finished my statement with the line you quoted. If you think that was an attempt to take the focus off of Reagan and bring the argument surrounding AIDS research to 2010, then you have proven that you can’t fuckin’ read. Congrats!
FUNNY Thing about the Internet we can all see it was YOU who said it was more important to be able to SUCK DICK without getting AIDS than a innocent woman or man who gets breast cancer.
Even more proof of your unparalleled illiteracy.
Here is my actual comment:
The spending is justified, considering that it's much easier to become infected with HIV than it is to contract cancer. That is, unless you think you're gonna catch Breast Cancer by sucking the dick of someone whose affected
Congrats for failing to see the sarcasm in that statement, moron! Nobody in their right mind would ever think you could contract cancer from sucking a dick, nor was I expressing any preference in doing so. However, anyone could contract the HIV virus from sexual activity, which is exactly what the statement referenced. If you failed to see that connection, be an adult and admit it. Instead, you posted this:
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“WOW I can’t believe you just said that – so you admit it. The reason HIV is mostly spread is out of someone’s CHOICE. Yet other people through no FAULT of their own should suffer and die so that you can act irresponsibly. Sorry your reckless choices don’t outweigh innocent peoples bad luck. You are one selfish sick arrogant son of a bitch to think so. Try some personal responsibility once in a while, people like you with this extreme victim mentality make me want to defund AIDS and give the money to researching diseases of innocent victims. You sir and your mind-set are what gives gays a bad name. Anybody who thinks it more important that you get your jollies sucking a unprotected dick vs finding a cure for a 12 year old with leukemia or a 40 year old mother of three that dies of breast cancer is repulsive. You ought to think about your pompous attitude, it really leave a bad taste in one's mouth and makes a horrifically bad statement for the rest of the homosexual community.”
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First off, where the hell did that homophobic rage come from, toots? Your last boyfriend decided to bat for the other team? Found him in your bed on the DL, getting topped by that 5’1”, 90lb. boy you talked about earlier?
Not once did I say that contracting HIV was out of someone’s choice. Not once did I suggest that people who contracted any disease out of innocence should suffer. Not once did I suggest that anyone who contracted a disease was irresponsible. YOU DID. And as we can see, you’re the one talking about people getting their jollies sucking an “unprotected dick”. This is your wording, coming out of your dented cranium. And now, you’re trying to spin your bigotry to make it appear as I typed it? Not on my watch, toots… Fuck off.
That was YOUR comment you sick son of bitch at least OWN it. Be proud of your own depravity and your callous attitude towards other humans. YOU SAID IT. Now you are trying to run away from that comment like you are trying to run away from the FACTS.
Last time I checked, that bigoted comment originated next to an avatar picturing a bitch with a blurred out face, designer imposter sunglasses and fake hair. Above that avatar, YOUR USERNAME APPEARS. Just turn to the final post on page five for verification.
So far you have tried to recant almost everything you have said, this is getting hilarious.
FACT - I stated Reagan stayed silent on the issue for a long time before acting on it, throwing money at the problem with no definitive plan. Proven true.
FACT - I stated Reagan should have acted earlier when the warning signs were apparent and every AIDS organization agrees with that assessment. Even the Surgeon General alludes to it in his bio.
FACT - I provided clarity to your distortions, and you simply cannot take it.
FACT - You can’t read for shit, have the comprehension skills of a used condom, and harbor deeply rooted homophobic feelings.
You’re officially the second coming of Trinity. May your ignorance and hatred echo throughout this board in infamy, further dragging you into exile. Now get the fuck out my face, little girl.
