I mean this in the nicest way, but stop submitting your opinions as facts Phil.
hmmm... I hate to break this to you... but anything anyone says about anything is an opinion.
Even if you think its a fact... its still just that person's opinion that it is a fact.
And just because a raft of people all believe that a given opinion is factual... it doesn't mean it rises to the level of factual.
Its not my job to qualify every thing I say to explain that what I have to say is my opinion. Any educated person should understand that anything anyone says is an opinion.
So, please, stop accusing me of something I am not doing. I am not responsible for your misunderstanding of the parameters of human communication.
I am making an argument.
And I am not required to slap IMHO on every argument I make.
That being said... an argument is a reasoned postulate supported by example, evidence, or analogy.
So, you go ahead and try to forward an argument that explains how, with all the myriad objects of diverse shapes that a person CAN shove up their own ass... any person choosing a stiff rubber replica of a penis... designed to have about the same flexibility and softness as a penis... and a size either representative or exaggerated of a real penis... go ahead and forward an argument about how that person, making that choice of object to insert, is somehow entirely insensible of what that object is a simulation of and the activity of which that action is a simulation.
There are guys totally uninterested in cocks up their ass who shove all manner of things up in there. And those men may well not have any ideas in their head of being penetrated by a penis.
But any man intentionally shoving a fake penis up his own ass must have some association in mind of penile penetration.
Its not saying he wants to be fucked by a guy... but he definitely wants something shaped like a guys cock shoved in his ass in a manner simulating being fucked.
And guys who live in denial are guys who live in denial.
Grow up and come to grips with your own fantasies. Wanting a dick shaped thing in your butt isn't unmanly... its pretending that that's not what you want that is unmanly.
I do see what you mean, I think, and I agreed with the rest of that post.
But saying there's "no" correlation maybe seems to be putting it a little strongly ?
But still. For at least a thousand years, maybe two or three thousand, philosophers and scientists have been discussing the inter-relationships between minds and bodies. I've even written a book on connected subjects myself.
None of them ever finalised exactly how it works. I think the "gay" world is definitely a social or cultural artefact - clubs and bars, clothing conventions, music etc. The core "Sexuality" - homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual - may be more biological or sociological, I guess, but even that isn't all a matter of anatomy.
Everyone can use their body, or any part of it, however they want to, would be my view. And nobody else should make assumptions from that, or jump to conclusions.
Let's just let other people do whatever they like, unless it impacts upon us directly, and let's not rush to apply labels.
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with all the myriad objects of diverse shapes that a person CAN shove up their own ass... .
A rubber dildo, cock-shaped, is not a man. It has no ego, no domination illusions, no control, no forced entry. When you take a finger, or a realistic cock up your ass, you MAY (no matter how straight) fantasizing about a real cock stimulating your prostate nerve endings, but when you allow a real human to enter your body, you are at some level permitting domination, violation, and submitting to another. Sex is a mind-thing, I don't see how it's comparable. Just my observation.
That's a hell of a sentence.
A myriad of objects I'll give ya, but diverse shapes is pushing it. Squares, triangles and rectangles don't get the job done.
A light blue cylindrical shaped piece of rubber got the job done for me and my girl.
I can't rationally say that a Guy who likes doing anything to himself, or having a woman do those things, is gay or even bi. Both those terms imply there is some sort of male on male interaction. So unless the activity is accompanied by a male participant or fantasies about a male participant....I can't call it gay or bi.
no you are closed-mind.
the difference almong str8 or not is in relationship.
Bi men or gay men are ok for a m-m relationship it makes them gay not what they put in their ass.
all men have prostate, and all men can stimulate it for an "orgasm". That's it
my apologize..Obviously you completely missed my point in that post....re-read it then respond.
So if I fuck myself with a tiny object, I'm not gay because it's obvious that it's just for prostate stimulation. But if it's longer, like maybe a small dick-like object, then I'm gay or bi because the object is more cock-like.For guys who who self fuck with fake cocks... other men's opinions of what is or isn't gay are a threat they fear.
They either hide their activity... or they rationalize how its not "really" homoerotic because its not an actual guy.
But your argument fails because there IS always a man involved.
The person choosing to shove a fake dick up his ass is a Man.
He is fucking himself with a fake cock. Likely, if it were physiologically possible, he would fuck himself with his own cock.
It is a man doing the insertion... the slow grind down to fake balls deep... the thrusting... and the moaning.
So if I fuck myself with a tiny object, I'm not gay because it's obvious that it's just for prostate stimulation. But if it's longer, like maybe a small dick-like object, then I'm gay or bi because the object is more cock-like.
Really? So what length of an object determines whether it's a gay thing or just a straight-for-sexual-exploration/satisfaction. What's the cut-off point?