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I read your posting first for inspiration BettyYou said it much better than I did , Ronin.
I read your posting first for inspiration BettyYou said it much better than I did , Ronin.
So if a man discriminates against a woman, that has nothing to do with a woman?
The attempts at shutting down half the threads in this section is getting extremely tiresome, especially when the subject is obviously relevant and placed in the right section... It's totally fine that the subject isn't something that interests you, but that certainly doesn't mean that it isn't relevant.
*points to her own astronomical post count*Yup. I can totally understand why the ladies post so infrequently.
I hardly ever post, either.*points to her own astronomical post count*
I mostly agree with you except for the statements about how people aren't offended when they're objectified due to being smart.so many wicked points in this thread, this is a very cool place
speaking for myself as a feminist (Third wave and onwards only please) and an adult producer I absolutely don't consider porn to be inherently disrespectful of women either. I wouldn't be possible for me to participate in it if I did. to me porn is like everything else humans create; some of it is intense, some boring, some creepy/disturbing, some of it is exquisite and those ascribed qualities are always in the eyes of the beholders
the objectification 'issue' always baffles me though, it doesn't make logical sense to me. When someone gets paid for or is admired for using their brain that's not considered dehumanizing, it's not someone 'objectifying' one's IQ. The only difference when it comes to the female body/sexuality is in the minds of those who are incapable of enjoying an aspect of someone's being without casting a whole bunch of their own misogynistic/madonna-whore crap on to the subject of their attraction. when I enjoy a hot chica for her hotness I'm still capable of assuming that's she's also a complex human being with inherent value (that complex humanity just happens to be temporarily over-shadowed by that azz), because I don't have those issues. Clearly none of y'all do either so the rest of the world needs to figure it out
it would be interesting to raise the OP's question to a bunch of 'conflicted about female sexuality' peeps and then follow that with the same question in relation to Femdom porn, wonder how much the responses would change
so many wicked points in this thread, this is a very cool place
speaking for myself as a feminist (Third wave and onwards only please) and an adult producer I absolutely don't consider porn to be inherently disrespectful of women either. I wouldn't be possible for me to participate in it if I did. to me porn is like everything else humans create; some of it is intense, some boring, some creepy/disturbing, some of it is exquisite and those ascribed qualities are always in the eyes of the beholders
the objectification 'issue' always baffles me though, it doesn't make logical sense to me. When someone gets paid for or is admired for using their brain that's not considered dehumanizing, it's not someone 'objectifying' one's IQ. The only difference when it comes to the female body/sexuality is in the minds of those who are incapable of enjoying an aspect of someone's being without casting a whole bunch of their own misogynistic/madonna-whore crap on to the subject of their attraction. when I enjoy a hot chica for her hotness I'm still capable of assuming that's she's also a complex human being with inherent value (that complex humanity just happens to be temporarily over-shadowed by that azz), because I don't have those issues. Clearly none of y'all do either so the rest of the world needs to figure it out
it would be interesting to raise the OP's question to a bunch of 'conflicted about female sexuality' peeps and then follow that with the same question in relation to Femdom porn, wonder how much the responses would change
We aren't talking about admiring a woman for having a hot body here. We are talking about thinking of a woman as a hot body. As a sex toy who exists to please men.
I was waiting to see if I'd get called out on that!No minors!
That's an elegant way to put it.I don't know, Femmie. I think you and LadyJQ have given me something to think about. You're both making interesting distinctions on either side of that particular discussion. On the one hand, I know just what you mean about feeling a difference between being valued for your personhood, which resides in your mind, versus being valued only for your corporeal self, like a collection of appealing parts pleasantly arranged around your various holes. On the other hand, I am both of those things, my mind, and my body, though if I'm sought for my body, I prefer it to be sought for it both for its loveliness and the spirit it houses.
Today's porn is simply obscene, degrading to women and presents an extremely distorted view of sexuality. Today's porn in a land of abundant supply in an effort to stand goes to remarkable extremes to get noticed and seen. The roughness, the yanking of hair, the slapping, the holding of the woman's nose, all the spitting and cursing at each other. This was not the case in the golden days of porn. I can't attest to this as factual but I suspect the only way an 'actress' can get through these scenes is to be abusing some substance and/or had been the victim of some sort of horrific abuse in her childhood.
I agree guy... but I also believe that if you start out young with porn being your basic intro to sex ed. .. it can warp your mind.
I mean. .. look at some of the threads here. ... in ask a woman. ... if porn is your only outlet it can give you the wrong ideas about how to treat a woman during sex.
I don't think porn is bad... it can actually enhance a relationship, but I've talked with several young men here who haven't a clue how to make love to a lady bc all they have is porn ad a reference.
I think a complex number variables cause people to grow into what is essentially practitioners of misogyny. I believe someone who has misogynistic tendencies will probably seek out misogynistic porn and that he may use it to justify or affirm said tendencies, just like a violent person may be attracted to violent video games. But I do not think that porn in and of itself creates misogynists just like I don't think video games creates violence. If people really don't have a clue how to be around other human beings without causing them harm (or even realize that they're causing them harm), we are looking at a much more complex social disability than anything that can be caused merely by watching porn, I think.
I was well aware of pornography before jumping on the vaginal merry-go-round, and I don't think any number of hours having watched porn could have caused me to think I was supposed to ram my egg roll down her esophagus while blocking her nostrils with something nasty.