Man, I wasn't even aware of that stuff. I guess that might have a different audience (more like regular t-girls).
So Futanari is that, and Futanaria is the cartoon sized shit? I learn something new every day. :biggrin1:
Why Do Some Straight Guys Get Turned On By Transsexuals?
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So Futanari is that, and Futanaria is the cartoon sized shit? I learn something new every day. :biggrin1:
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The word "Futanari" colloquially refers to the whole genre of women with penises. It has a history in Japan going back a couple centuries, at least to the time of Kabuki theatre. Laws were enacted to prevent women from acting in those theatres, so men would take on the female and male roles both (Futanari literally translates to "Woman-Role"). The laws were put in place to stop prostitution, but they didn't work because then the men dressing as women started doing the same
"Futanaria" is just the name of that website, it doesn't refer to a genre or style anything.
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My take is that gender identity is related to, but not strictly the same as, one's physical sex. I think it's a combination of biological factors, including neonatal hormonal influence, as well as societal influences.
So while in most cases people's gender identity matches their genetic makeup, there are cases where it's different. If someone is born biologically male, but in their head they truly feel like they are a woman, I am not so arrogant as to insist otherwise.
For transgender individuals, I use the gender pronoun that they feel applies to them, rather than being an asshole and using the other one (ie: I would refer to a Male-to-female transexual as "she" when discussing her in the third person rather than saying "him").
Anyways, when it comes back to sexual orientation, I feel that it's based on the gender to which one is sexually attracted. A man who is exclusively attracted to women (as a gender, which can include male to female transexuals) is straight. A man who is exclusively attracted to men is gay. Bisexual for people who lean more towards the middle. The orientation is around which gender is attracted to which gender, not which gender is attracted to which body part. I don't say a man is gay if he's exclusively attracted to penises, I say a man is gay if he's exclusively attracted to other men.
I don't draw a distinction between pre-op and post-op in that regard. A transgender woman who has not had her penis removed is still a woman to me (one who just happens to have a penis).
So from my point of view, the original poster is asking why some straight guys get turned on by certain types of women. To me, it just makes me go "Ummm... because they're straight?" It's like asking why some straight guys get turned on by women with Dwarfism, or why some straight guys get turned on by women who need glasses.
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This actually makes sense. I was going to say, "because male to female transgendered people look like women, most of the time, and they just happen to have a cock."
Personally, I very rarely watch trans porn, and when I do, I go for the solo or trans on female vids. I have no interest in anal sex, so anything involving that doesn't turn me on at all.
I define myself as "straight". Because the thought of fucking someone in the ass disgusts me, as does the thought of some doing it to me. I also have no interest in sucking dick, and I don't entertain fantasies about a man sucking mine. All of my dreams, fantasies, and real-life relationships have been heterosexual. Therefore, I am straight.
Simple. As. That.
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It's really going to come down to whether or not you feel a transgender woman is a woman or a man.
If you think that transgender women are women, then a man who can find them attractive is exhibiting straight sexual behavior to you.
If you think that transgender women are still men, then a man who can find them attractive is exhibiting gay sexual behavior to you.
It's all going to come down to that argument about how transgender individuals are viewed, and that varies by individual right now (just look at the news any week and there's often some story or another with people arguing over which bathroom they should use).
Point being though, don't expect any agreement one way or the other in this thread. Do note, however, that the vast majority of states legally consider a transgender woman to be a woman after sex re-assignment surgery has taken place. Additionally, 16 of 50 states consider a transgender woman to be a woman even absent that surgery even without sex reassignment surgery, provided some other type of therapy has taken place (counselling, hormonal therapy, etc). That latter number is slowly increasing (as you move forward in time, it'll be more than 16 as attitudes change and people drop their "old fashioned" prejudices).
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So you're saying this is the kind of stuff that really turns on closeted gay/bi guys? http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2012/03/28/254583-jenna-talackova.jpg
Because I thought that those kind of guys were more into this but just like to hide it http://fitness.bf-1.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/gay-model-2.jpg
I don't agree with that at all. A gay/bi man is attracted to masculine traits.
A transgender woman is not some "gateway" to being with a man. A man attracted to men likes men for their masculine qualities (body type, voice, mannerisms, personality, etc.)
The presence of a penis does not magically make someone masculine. I'd be willing to bet if a transsexual were to flirt with you (and you had no prior knowledge that she was) you would show interest in her because you were attracted to her feminine qualities. If you later discovered that she had a penis, you'd probably question your sexuality since your definition of "straight" means "attracted to vaginas".
Personally, I believe sexual orientation is far more complex than genitalia.
I'd like to site a great example of this in the film The Crying Game.
Yeah, cause cock and has NOTHING to do with it.
*sarcasm*But it does make you the wielder of a cock....which MANY recognize as the sexual reproductive organ of MALES. We're not talking about a strap on here...we're talking about a full functioning appendage. D cup tits on a person possessing a penis, are worthless to straight men. Sorry.
This is where your post just gets...smh *facepalm*
A) I don't think Vader mentioned how HE differentiates between straight and gay. He didn't mention that "straight means attracted to vaginas" as you so ignorantly put it... So unless you read such a claim in another thread where he posted I'm gonna just say read before you speak next time...
B) A guy who is oblivious to the fact that the women in front of him isn't naturally a women, could not, or better yet should not, question himself when he later finds the truth. UNLESS he proceeds to have a good ol time with that cock and balls anyway. THEN he should start questioning that. On the list of things that make a woman a woman in the mind of most men....a cock isn't even considered. Putting a cock on a woman changes A LOT of things.... Ever heard the saying "useless as tits on a hog"? Well that saying exists because just swapping body parts onto something doesn't change what the fuck it was in the first place....
Ummmm, if you KNOW that's a guy and you still go after it....yes. Not knowing and knowing are 2 different things. Or are we in some alternate universe where they're the same thing?
So what you're saying is....gay and bi guys only go for the stylized image of a man? Nooooooooooooooooo gay or bi guys like trannys, cross dressers, pretty boys, metrosexuals, pre-op trannys.....none of that. ONLY stylized, abs, muscles, beardy faced manly men? Hmmmmm interesting...
Yeah, cause cock and has NOTHING to do with it.
But it does make you the wielder of a cock....which MANY recognize as the sexual reproductive organ of MALES. We're not talking about a strap on here...we're talking about a full functioning appendage. D cup tits on a person possessing a penis, are worthless to straight men. Sorry.
This is where your post just gets...smh *facepalm*
A) I don't think Vader mentioned how HE differentiates between straight and gay. He didn't mention that "straight means attracted to vaginas" as you so ignorantly put it... So unless you read such a claim in another thread where he posted I'm gonna just say read before you speak next time...
B) A guy who is oblivious to the fact that the women in front of him isn't naturally a women, could not, or better yet should not, question himself when he later finds the truth. UNLESS he proceeds to have a good ol time with that cock and balls anyway. THEN he should start questioning that. On the list of things that make a woman a woman in the mind of most men....a cock isn't even considered. Putting a cock on a woman changes A LOT of things.... Ever heard the saying "useless as tits on a hog"? Well that saying exists because just swapping body parts onto something doesn't change what the fuck it was in the first place....
Vader doesn't need you to explain his statement for him. He already stated what his definition of straight was when he claimed that transsexuals were a "loophole for closeted gay/bi dudes". That obviously means "penis = man, so if you like anything associated with a penis (real/fake is irrelevant) then you like men". There's no other way to view that. It's the same exact thing you claimed as well which is why you agreed with his original statement.
All I'm saying is it's more complex than that, but you guys are so hung up on genitals. Of course gay men like penises; because they like the men they are attached to. A gay man is not interested in another man primarily because he has a penis, it's the masculinity. A man attracted to another man would already assume he has a penis. If you believe the penis is the only trait of masculinity on a man then you're sadly mistaken.
The ironic thing is that the clitoris, a part of the female genitalia, is essentially an underdeveloped penis.
Point out to me where Vader said any of the shit you just said. If you fail to do so, you need to accept that YOU are projecting YOUR beliefs o and opinions onto someone else. He didn't say that...therefore you need not respond as though he did. Makes you seem foolish and ignorant.
So by this definition, and since we journeying into your loopy world, would a gay man be attracted to a strap-on wielding, buzz cut, testosterone filled dyke, who displayed all the machismo and "masculinity" of a man?
Irony... I think not... Men also have "breasts".... Underdeveloped (due to the lack of estrogen and a couple other hormones) tits....equipped with nipples and everything.... soooooooooooooooooooo no point for you my friend.
Back to defending what someone else clearly stated as their own opinion...
An opinion that you also cosigned. I'm already bored with this merry-go-round. He didn't have to say exactly what I wrote because that was what he meant. If you want to deny that he didn't mean what he said, then why did you agree with it, since what you've been telling me is exactly in line with what I "assumed" he said.
It's called "deductive reasoning". Look it up, it's a real thing.
As for your question, it's the same as a man who was attracted to a woman who didn't possess female parts. The answer is yes because it's about the whole package, not just the "package".
You call it "loopy" and that's where I agree with you completely. It's complex, confusing and messy. That's human sexuality and human beings in a nutshell. We're not all easily defined with labels and boxes and that's the whole point I was trying to make in the first place.
Last thing, breasts are not genitals. Remember, we're stuck on genitals here. If you want to go down that road then you'll need to explain men who love women with small breasts.
Are you a mind reader? Or maybe a wizard...? Either way... unless you're Vader himself, you can't TELL anyone what he meant. You can guess...or make ignorant assumptions.... either case leaving you open to be wrong. I meant what I meant.....but I also agreed with what he had to say.
If I said 3 * 8 = 24....then later Vader posts that 2 + 2 = 4...I can agree with him without our posts meaning the same thing or having anything to do with each other. It's called....agreeing. Look that up.
Your style of "deductive reasoning" is the leading cause to misquotations and misunderstandings in the literary world. Jackasses insisting on "what the writer meant" instead of taking the writer's words at face value.
Please describe to me a "woman who doesn't possess female parts". Aside from a vagina....wtf could a woman be missing? And if she was missing said vagina....wtf could have possibly happened to it? Or is this a "she has a dick instead" situation... to which I would have to say NO, a straight man wouldn't want that....
No...YOU'RE stuck on genitals...
But Ummmmm, some men love small breasts. Wtf does that have to do with anything? Some men love small tight asses....annnnnnnnd? Some men like blonde women
. What's your point? That a guy who likes small tits might as well like men? Please tell me that's your point...so I can laugh hysterically.
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mistabobdobalina
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Except that she's not a guy. Legally she's a woman. You're as welcome as the next person to be prejudiced against transgender individuals and call it "being old fashioned", but she's a woman.
My opinion makes me prejudice? Because I call a spade a spade? Like I said, if you put tits on a pig....what do you have? A woman? No... The legality of it is suppose to rationalize it? No... If they legalized crack tomorrow, does that make it "good for you"? Cigarettes are legal....tell me how that's helping the world. Marijuana is illegal...why, cause it's such a harmfully dangerous, gateway drug? Yeah ok... Legality is nothing more than a money game, so if your entire argument is based on what the government allows.....its a short, shallow, and empty one.
I identify people as what they were when god put them on this planet. I got a few gay relatives. A couple girls that dress, walk, talk, and act like men.... but when i address them...it's "she" not he. To be angry at that would just be illogical as fuck. Changing your sex isn't like changing your name. You may think it's something as simple as filling in a different circle on questionnaire....but to me it's not that simple. Man is gonna keep fucking with nature and end up with a bigger problem on his hands.
Am I the only one who sees this shit becoming a problem? Probably....but I'm waiting for the "she never told me she used to be a man" trouble to start. Where the "shes" start to rationalize not telling their partners about their past....but I guess we'll file that under "her" rights....and ignore the fact that the partner has the right to know. I guess the perfect world to you, and many like you, is a world without labels and no possible way to tell the difference between gay men, straight men, natural women, trannys...just a whole clusterfuck of ignorance.... perfect world huh?
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I'm quite content with labels and use them regularly. There are people who want to live in a label-less world, I'm just not one of them.
You and I have near identical definitions of what is straight and what is gay and have been on the same side of many such arguments/threads.
Where we differ is in our definitions of who is or isn't a woman.
And yes, this is where we differ. I think gender is imprinted on people's brains in utero on the influence of hormones and lots of developmental processes, and occasionally there is a transcription error where the gender that gets assigned to someone's developing brain doesn't match the physical realities of their body.
I would be very happy to live in a world where science progresses to the point that physical sex could be perfectly matched to brain imprinted gender to the point that you don't even need the term transgender anymore.
I feel sorry for transgender individuals. It's a gestational/birth process defect to me and I hope that down the road they can make it so that it either doesn't have to happen, or is easy to perfectly fix, or both.
In the meantime though, I don't discriminate any more than I would discriminate against someone who was born hearing impaired. The natural attraction would still have to be there, I don't just go being attracted to every transgender woman out there, but if I did meet a nice sexy woman who was born physically male it wouldn't put me off.
just a whole clusterfuck of ignorance.... perfect world huh?
I'm the one coming from a place of ignorance? Ooookay.
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