Men having sex with men

When I used to teach science in high school, I always included in my health unit (sexual health) the results of a famous study back in the thirties on sexual goings on between men. By the time the men got old enough to give an informed opinion on two questions, those men said that 2/3rds had had a mutual orgasm with another male, and that a third had had a mutual orgasm with the same male more than once. There is no way that this is a measure of the number of "gays" in a society; it is a measure of the percentage of those men who are open to having sex with another guy.
Woman in a companion study did not have sex with another woman. This is guy behaviour.
So when I joined this site, I did not imagine that it would be a gay site. Guys just will have sex with anything that is warm and moist, for all they want is the pleasure of an orgasm, with no ties or emotional involvement. That can more easily be had with a guy then with a girl. So, it was no surprise to me that most admit to sucking on another male. Males the world over do this, in some societies more open than others. In Holland, it is rampant, with most males probably doing it with another male on the road home to wife and kids. In muslim societies, it is what men do with each other for everyone knows that men's sexual urges can never be controlled, and therefore they have sex with each other till the time they marry. In India which is Hindu, this also happens. In both of those last, though, the men will or rather must marry. Homosexuality in those two worlds is not defined as ours often is since in those two men having sex with men is perfectly normal. What is not normal is that a man would marry a man or continue a sexual relation without marrying a woman. That is what is anathema to them. And while at university doing research 10 years ago, our health service reported that 25% of the guys in the dorm were having anal sex with other guys, having orgasms without use of condoms. These are not gay guys, and if 25% are being unsafe, can you imagine how many are having the anal sex in total? Health services always talk in terms of "men having sex with men" sex, and not gay sex. So, for me sucking is not gay. It is just fun to do.
Before going to see Brokeback Mountain, I had read letters on one site from those who had gone to the movie, and the letters were often about their memories of the guy that they once were in love with and with whom they had had a sexual affair. Most were now married with grandchildren. When I went, I was determined to see how many single men were in the audience, and what percentage had a wedding ring. I saw it with a whole audience of single men at 1PM on a Saturday, with only one group of more than one, two young guys sitting together. The older guys all had wedding rings on when I could catch sight of their hands coming in and leaving. Men are really more complex then we want to admit, and this is not to say that this is all "gayness" that I have seen. I have also seen the biological attraction of men to a gorgeous, athletic male who began to work at our local gas station. He was 17, and his body was great and he was well dressed. He was polite, very good looking and intelligent. And in the days he worked there, I watched the reactions to him from my friends in the town, most of them long married with children. It was the same reaction to this 17 year old boy as I witnessed and felt in a businessmen's restaurant just West of Salt Lake City, as I came into the restaurant following the girl I was driving out to her summer job in Oregon. She was gorgeous, and knew it, and was a cock tease. All the men reared their heads, stopping talking and followed her with their eyes as we went to the back where there was an open table. Men I knew reacted in the same way to this boy. I do not believe this is "gay" behaviour. Predator maybe, but not gay.
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Teenage adolescent boys are more apt to engage in sexual experimentation than teenage girls. However, today we live in a world when teenage boys and girls are more apt to engage in sexual experimentation than ever before!
 
I would say it is exceedingly hard to separate out men's innate reactions to other men from their learnt responses to other men. Taking a different example, if a group of men walk around an art gallery they will express different opinions about the pictures. Here, too, we tend to be told what is good art so this alters how we behave but it isnt quite so difficult a subject as sexual attraction. There will be pictures which get universal praise and ones which get mixed reactions. If it works with pictures, then presumably it must work with other people too. We all must have a basic view that certain individuals are exceptionally good specimens which has nothing to do with sexual attraction.
 
I do believe that many straight men have feelings for other men far deeper than we are willing to admit. That is why there are associations of groups of men playing sports, hanging out at bars, more particularly sports bars, you know, doing guy things.

Guys who have buddies or chums enrich their family experiences with wives and children. Again such relationships or "intense" friendships are far more natural than our uptight American society would care to admit. Quite a few of these relationships may be homoerotic in nature.

Many of these relationships are a reflection of boyhood friendships in which sexual experimentation (JO, perhaps suck and fuck) may have happened before many straight and bi guys discovered girls.
 
This perspective is the essence of my doctoral thesis of 30 years ago. It is homosexual behaviour (ie. same sex) without necessarily labeling the men gay, bi, straight or whatever.
 
This is all very interesting, there is also a study that is in a course of Social Work that states that 25% of all athletes have engaged in same sex behavior. From personal experience, I had a few short lived sexual relationships with girlfriends in high school. I never had any same sex experience until I was over 18. When I was 14 a friend kept me in a passionate embrace when we were wrestling and it was in a darkened room. Niave as I was, I didn't recognize it for what it was. Man! I missed that chance, never to get another for yrs to come! I would have to agree, though oral is same sex it may not really define a person's sexuality.
 
I was always straight as an arrow till a few years ago, in my late 40's. Thats when I saw a picture o f a beautiful huge cock and was mesmerized.
Then started thinking about t least letting a guy suck me, which I have since done.
I think back to years ago, seems like most of my friends were hung. I was so conservative as far as sex went then.
Since talking about it I have heard all kinds of stories about adolescents m2m sex, fascinates me.
Some times I look at guys and wonder.
 
You are probably feeling what most men apparently feel about other men, seeing them under certain circumstances as someone to have sex with. It apparently is perfectly normal, since it at one time or another over a lifetime sex with another guy involves most men.
 

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