100% straight

[B_Stronzo]

do you always have to be an ass?

I've expressed my opinion on this subject in other nearly identical threads. I'll repeat one of the most important things I've said before and put it in bold so it stands out in this lengthy post: Of course there is a certain cultural aspect to sexuality, as well as an equally powerful biological component. But a person's culture is part of who they are. Raised in complete isolation from all human contact and anything that could be construed as cultural imput, each of us would be barely cognizant non-lingual sub-humans. Attempting to define an "ur-sexuality," whatever would exist without cultural input, is fucking ridiculous.

To sum up what I'm bespeaking: If someone feels they are 100% straight because they have been culturally indoctrinated to be, feel, think and act 100% straight.... then it is possible to be 100% straight.


Again, this doesn't equal fear. You may not want to share your bed sexually with a fattie, someone ugly, a relative, a child, a senior citizen, a corpse, or a barnyard animal and nobody is going to accuse you of having a phobia. To not find these other things sexually desirable seems normal. Pedophiles, necrophiliacs, etc. haven't been as politicized as homosexuals though, so there's no popular public discourse accusing people of biogtry who openly find the idea of having sex with a horse to be repellent.




I don't know about most, I haven't conducted any polls. But I know plenty of straight women who find the idea of being with another woman sexually to be disgusting, yes.


Homosexuality itself, no. That's just a concept.
There are some things that are less conceptual: Looking at other men's dicks, or asses. The thought of myself personally having my penis in some guy's butt. Or having some guy's penis in my own butt. Or kissing a man on the lips. Or having a man's dick in my mouth. Or having my own dick in another man's mouth. I find all of the preceding to be gross.


You don't have to wonder because they have.



No, it's not really interesting at all. If you read my previous post carefully you'd see I already brought it up myself. It was actually the first thing I mentioned.



This also isn't at all surprising, and is also something I covered in my own post, only I did it in an unusually (for me) succint and elegant way. I made the bulk of my whole argument in two or three lines so perhaps you missed it. There is a social stigma attached to gayness. That same stigma is attached to lesbianism only to a far lesser extent. Most of the posters on this board are male. Most of the males are gay. Of the female posters, I don't think any identify themselves as 100% lesbian (and wouldn't it be odd if they were on a penis support group site anyway?). All of the posts in this thread have been about male sexuality. Given all of that it doesn't seem very odd that it's the heterosexual men who feel that their self-abscribed orientation is somehow under attack and in need of being defended.


and are you such a "dolt" that you can't see if everyone acted the way they were instructed by society homosexuality would die out within a generation or two? You're oversimplifying.



I'd like to add to a thought I had earlier in this thread: One of the few actually interesting things this discussion has managed to demonstrate is that, straight or gay, or somewhere in between, trying to imagine yourself in somebody else's shoes who has a sexual orientation different than your own must be very difficult. The one thing I see here over and over again is people trying to project their own feelings, opinions and attitudes on everyone, making generalizations that they assume must apply to everyone because they apply to themselves. The 100% straight guys are doing it, the 100% gay guys are doing it, and those who refuse to comment but obviously view sexuality as a fluid continuum are clearly doing it.

You shouldn't always take things so personally. I suspect it accounts for your "come hither pout" in your avatar photo perhaps?

Don't be mad and must you always have to explain yourself away so?

I think you're only partrially able to view the world in nuance. The rest is structured to you in the most categorical way. To me that's a study in small-mindedness and "bespeaks" :biggrin1: a mental inablility to think beyond the narrow constriction of what your society has instructed.

While I understand it feels safe I cannot follow it with any real sense of finding honesty in this world.

Oh and as for "imagining myself in another's shoes"? I don't have to imagine. I was married to a woman and have had numerous affairs with the opposite sex. However, I'm not a bisexual.

Hope that makes my point of reference at least more relevant to you.

 

[B_Stronzo]

It's also beyond obvious that you obtaining a grip on reality is beyond hope. So I won't argue. Your take on "straight" porn is HOPELESSLY colored by your own fetishes.

As is everyone's including yours.

 

[B_Stronzo]

There is a social stigma attached to gayness.

Yes. I read it the first time you wrote it. Now I'd like you to reach waaaaaaay down into the deep 160 IQ psyche of yours and try to explain precisely the real reason that stigma exists.

Come on Nine Incher.. I know you can do it.

Moreover,

The more I read the posts of those who're responding in a defensive "oh no not me!!" self-declaratory sort of way about their heterosexual status the more I realise just how bad this "stigma" has really become.

You guys need to sit back and chill out.

As the tedious current saying goes "it's all good". I've seen one poster on here complain that he "can't get girls". Hmmmmm. I wonder why?? He's bright. He's good looking. And he has a "beautious" schlong.

You don't think it just may have something to do with the fact that he's going about it with age-old preconceptions of the female psyche that make him unappealing no matter what his physical attributes? I dunno. Makes a fella wonder when I can get myself heterosexually laid at the drop of a hat.

:33:

 

[B_Stronzo]

Awww shit. Here we GO, it's about to go down...

It's popcorn time Vinny! Sit back and enjoy you hot mutha fucka!!!:biggrin1:

 

[emu]

ok.

bring this back to what apparently many posters on this thread have forgotten.

let's get a couple things clear
the original post was merely making this point:

* that there was a study done to explain the behavior and motivations behind why some straight men are homophobic.*

this thread is addressing this:
that the study sugests the term "100% straight" is not entirely accurate for a guy who is TRULY HOMOPHOBIC according to the results of the study.

DISCLAIMER:
this thread and the study does not say that all straight men are secretly harboring gay feelings, nor does it imply that all straight men are homophobic.

the results of the HOMOPHOBIA (negative affect toward homosexuality) study...
"the results of the study indicate that individuals who score in the homophobic range and admit negative affect toward homosexuality demonstrate significant sexual arousal to male homosexual stimuli."

for the sake of this thread and arguement, let's define what society would consider homphobia...
someone who can be violently aggressive and exhibits anger and hatred and fear towards gay people.

this thread and my post in no way demean or degrade or invalidate straight men. my post was making light of the fact that based on my experience and what straight friends have told me, what I have done myself and what has been done to me and what i have observed, is supported by the study: straight men who are homophobic are in the closet about their struggles with sexuality. that is why they are so angry and violent towards gay people and continue to gay bash.

how do you explain the many gay men who say they find the thought of being with a woman revolting? Are they afraid that they might be straight? Were they beaten/raped by a woman earlier in their life?

many people say things they do not mean, i've had many gay friends over the years tell me they want to know what sex with a woman is like. the reason why a gay dude would say something like they are repulsed at the idea of sex with a woman is they don't want to be called a "breeder" by other gay people, they don't want to be shunned by their gay community by openly expressing a notion of a desire to have sex with a woman. again simple psychology.

Most straight men find homosexual activity to be disgusting.

i agree, many straight men do find homosexual activity disgusting, including myself. I experimented with guys, that is how I KNOW I am not gay, because i am not interested in sex with men I tried it to find that out.
analogy: say you never tried seafood but yet you say you hate it just by the mere sight of it... unless you haven't tried seafood, you cannot make a fair assesment of wether you really like it or not. i can't stand most seafood but there are few exceptions like shark, swordfish, catfish. but i can't stand pretty much everything else. so for me to say I hate seafood is not entirely accurate......

if you do not like homosexual activity, then choose not to view it or expose yourself to it. if you are viewing animals having sex and are disgusted by that, do you go and bash the animals or develop anger and hatred toward the animals? of course not, you would prob be intently interested in watching it because it's not something you see everyday, but that doesn't mean it turns you on. the same is true if you became "animalphobic" and suddenly started lashing out at the animals having sex, there is no logic or rationale to you going crazy and demonstrating violence and aggression to animals who are doing what they want to do and minding their own business, and why would you even care what they do in the first place...you can be disgusted with something without lashing out in anger and violence.

so, because I am NOT gay, does that mean I can't find another dude attractive, no. does that mean I can't get turned on at the sight of another dude jacking off, especially shooting his load all over some chick's face or tits, no. does the fact that I can get turned on at the sight of another naked dude fucking a chick make me gay, no. am I entirely straight, no. I'm merely being honest with myself. take the same chick, remove the dude and replace it with her fingers, you may be turned on still, but not AS turned on if the dude was plowing her tight pussy with his huge cock. um, you're not entirely straight if that turns you on. but it doesn't make you gay or bi either, it makes you human and a completely normal, healthy sexual being.

There is also a social stigma attached to homosexuality that they don't want to be associated with.

analogy:
say you and a buddy who happens to be gay are at a bar. some jackass decides to make a rude comment to you about hanging around a gay guy. what do you do? for me, it would piss me off that my buddy and I were just insulted and disrespected, I would slam the dudes face into the bar and toss him out the window.

as a truly 100% striaght male, why the fuck would you care what other people think of you if you have a gay friend? why would you be afraid of a social stigma that is incorrect about yourself, not even valid and entirely pathetic by those who choose to use it as a way of one upping you. grow some balls and have some security in yourself. it should not matter to you if someone were to slap some sort of social stigma of "oh he hangs out with fags" label on you if you are completely confident in your sexuality as a 100% straight male.

assumptions you liberally took in order to reach your conclusions.

how can i make an assumption if what i posted was explained to me by both gay and straight men at different points in my life. how is it an assumption when I have experienced it, witnessed it, done it myself and had it done to me first hand......i'm not making any assumptions about anything, I am coming from the voice of experience and presenting basic psychology.

how YOU label yourself is your CHOICE based on the LIFESTYLE you choose to accept and live. that deserves to be respected, but, personally I do not believe that there is such a thing as 100% anything, gay straight or bi. the label you choose is not always an accurate representation of what truly turns you on. others simply choose to be more open, free and honest with themselves.

so back to the whole point of this thread and post....

men who choose to label themselves as 100% straight and who demonstrate vioelence, aggression, anger, hatred and fear (homophobia) towards gay people are merely unknowingly revealing their own struggles with their acceptance of their sexuality to whatever degree of attraction they may have to either or both genders. it is not to demean anyone, but to explain the logic behind erratic dangerous behavior and irrational fear. the term 100% straight is inaccurate if you are homophobic.

E

 

[pichulon]

I don't need to be in every man's mind to know what I know regarding male sexuality. It is beyond obvious that straight men experience some degree of same-sex attraction, however minute it may be. It's all a question of degree -- a degree that seems impossible to quantify.

Straight men cannot hide their same-sex attraction desires. It jumps to the eyes, as the French say. Please answer these questions:

Why do so many straight men like straight big cock movies?
Why do so many straight men like straight gangbangs?
Why do so many straight men like multiple-male scenes in straight porn?
Why do so many straight men like "Please fuck my wife/GF" fetish movies?
Why do so many straight men like DP/DV/DP scenes?
Why do so many straight men like scenes where the male stars rub their dicks against each other's over a woman's mouth before ejaculating?

Straight porn alone is more than enough to prove straight men's natural attraction to maleness/masculinity. Being male already predisposes one to male-to-male attraction to some degree. It does not in any way take away from a straight man's much stronger desire for sex with a female.

Each person has a unique sexuality. That, I will not dispute that!.

This is such an outlandish post, that I am just going to express my reply with a simple face.:
:biggrin1:
I think I have found the origins of the term "reverse intolarance"

 

[B_NineInchCock_160IQ]

Yes. I read it the first time you wrote it. Now I'd like you to reach waaaaaaay down into the deep 160 IQ psyche of yours and try to explain precisely the real reason that stigma exists.
:33:

No deep reaching required. Ask yourself this: Are KKK members secretly afraid that they're black? Are mysoginists secretly afraid that they're women? Was Hitler secretly scared that he was a Jew? In the form of Western culture that has dominated the world since the Industrial Revolution, homosexuality has been seen as abherrent. Thus, reason enough for most people to stone you to death for it. In trying to find other motivation for it, you're the one who's reaching here.

 

[hung9mike]

Now guys, play nice. :smile:

I'm inclined to believe that someone's sexual orientation and his/her sexual behavior do not have to be one and the same. Strictly speaking, the usual descriptions of heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual do not refer to sexual orientation but to sexual practice. In principle then, a 100% "straight" guy (I'm assuming "straight" has the same connotation as "heterosexual") could find some male imagery arousing but... he's still 100% straight until he acts on these impulses with another man.

I'm inclined to take people at their word on their sexual behavior. His/her fantasies or secret desires bear no relevance to me or anyone else if he/she has no intention to act on them. :biggrin1:

 

[B_NineInchCock_160IQ]

Don't be mad and must you always have to explain yourself away so?

I'm not mad and I don't need to explain myself. To prove it I won't respond to any of the myriad other hopelessly retarded things that have been posted to this thread in response to things I said within the last hour.

 

[B_Stronzo]

Pichulon?

NineInch??

Are you two playing swords on dueling keyboards? :33: You seem remarkably alike just now.

Remember fellas - it's all meant in "good clean FUDGE":biggrin1:

I'm not mad and I don't need to explain myself. To prove it I won't respond to any of the myriad other hopelessly retarded things that have been posted to this thread in response to things I said within the last hour.

Hey! Get back here!!! I wanna touch it for a sec! Come on play with me. I just wanna hold it for a second.:05:

 

[Mem]

I did my percentages based on this:

Given the opportunity to have sex 100 times, I would choose having sex with a woman every single time.

I think you are looking it the wrong way
If you were 99% straight and 1% gay it does not mean that after 99 women you go for a guy.

It means your desire for women is 99 times stronger than your desire for a guy. (therefore you don't want the guy)

 

[fortiesfun]

Wow. This is an incredibly fast moving thread. Lots of heat, and maybe creeping toward a little light. It is one that I have re-read several times because of my strong, and frequently cited interest, in the relationship of sexual identity to sexual orientation and behavior.

I've suppressed an urge to respond to several of 9"/160’s posts, not least because I am intimidated by the fact that everything about him that is measurable is bigger than me, but he raises several pertinent points to which I think there are some viable reactions, though not always the hostile ones he is receiving from other quarters. (I, obviously, bat for the other team, or at least switch hit, so I hope I have something constructive to say to him. There are other posts that I find fairly outrageous, but skip writing about since I have little hope of being heard there.) I hope I can summarize a few of them. So, Big Nine, here goes:

Again, this doesn't equal fear. You may not want to share your bed sexually with a fattie, someone ugly, a relative, a child, a senior citizen, a corpse, or a barnyard animal and nobody is going to accuse you of having a phobia. To not find these other things sexually desirable seems normal. Pedophiles, necrophiliacs, etc. haven't been as politicized as homosexuals though, so there's no popular public discourse accusing people of biogtry who openly find the idea of having sex with a horse to be repellent.

These are really not parallel cases. Well, objecting to fat, old and ugly people, maybe, but I think you find plenty of legitimate practitioners of psychiatry who would suggest those are not as free of phobia as you think. The revulsions to incest, pedophilia, bestiality and necrophilia are of quite a different order, and for many reasons (not the least because they have been repeatedly victimized by such associations) many gay people would find the comparisons offensive. Though I think you are making an intellectual case, the ice is very thin here, and not just from political correctness.

I'd like to add to a thought I had earlier in this thread: One of the few actually interesting things this discussion has managed to demonstrate is that, straight or gay, or somewhere in between, trying to imagine yourself in somebody else's shoes who has a sexual orientation different than your own must be very difficult. The one thing I see here over and over again is people trying to project their own feelings, opinions and attitudes on everyone, making generalizations that they assume must apply to everyone because they apply to themselves. The 100% straight guys are doing it, the 100% gay guys are doing it, and those who refuse to comment but obviously view sexuality as a fluid continuum are clearly doing it.

Of course you are right. It is hard to imagine someone else's sexuality, but at the same time, we have about a hundred years of psychology that tells us we may not be great at understanding our own sexuality either, certainly not to the degree that has been repeatedly postulated in this thread by those on all sides of the issue. It is that discrepancy that may be feeding fuel to this fire. However much we think the big head is in charge, the evidence is all too clear by now that the little head, quite literally, has a mind of its own. What we consciously think and feel about sexuality has little to do with what our subconscious reactions turn out to be in the heat of the moment. Like you, I distrust those who would impose their experience on others, but I am equally suspicious of those who believe they can speak with absolute knowledge and authority about their own sexuality. It is counter-intuitive, but there is little reason to believe anyone has that degree of introspective ability.

From a much earlier post:

I'm starting to think that maybe I should be gay so I can get more women. Right now I'm straight and most of the attention I get is from guys. What is it with people always going after what they think they can't have?

I recognize that this is humor, but I wonder if you really don't know the answer, so in the interest of helping us all be able to imagine each other's sexuality better, let me take your point literally.

Gay men pursue self-identified straight men for the simple reason that with amazing regularity, it turns out that they CAN be had. (Given the notoriously inflated standards of gym bunnies and club queens, sometimes your odds are not that much worse, frankly, than pursuing the more obvious targets.) And when a hook-up happens, it can be, using the precise clinical term, fan-freakin'-tastic.

For the straight guy, the eroticism of dabbling in the forbidden is apt to heighten the experience. (As they say in Waco, it is never as good as when it is very, very bad.) And then there is the often-surprising skill of the partner who understands how the system works and can deliver sometimes previously unexperienced pleasure. (This is why they say every straight girl needs a gay friend to teach her how to give a good blowjob.)

For the gay guy, the eroticism can be heightened by the element of danger, and the turn on of thinking oneself exciting enough to "turn" your partner. You get that much electricity in the room, and sometime you get major explosions!

Mind you, I really do understand that you find that gross rather than titillating. I believe that you are both open-minded and completely uninterested. Your track record of posts would certainly attest to that. But, I think you have little perspective on how rare you are. Far from being the typical case, I think you are a statistical outlier.

 

[Matthew]

I think you are looking it the wrong way
If you were 99% straight and 1% gay it does not mean that after 99 women you go for a guy.

It means your desire for women is 99 times stronger than your desire for a guy. (therefore you don't want the guy)

There 's not necessarily a "right" or "wrong" may to look at those percentages. They're just one more (imperfect) way of profiling ourselves for other members, and as has been shown in many threads, there are many different ways of interpreting what those percentages mean.

 

[Mem]

Was Hitler secretly scared that he was a Jew?

Yes, I think he was secretly afraid. Although I did not research it, it is surmised that Hitler did have Jewish ancestry.

 

[Matthew]

These are really not parallel cases ... The revulsions to incest, pedophilia, bestiality and necrophilia are of quite a different order, and for many reasons (not the least because they have been repeatedly victimized by such associations) many gay people would find the comparisons offensive. Though I think you are making an intellectual case, the ice is very thin here, and not just from political correctness.

Thank you for this point. The underlying assumption in that logic (which has been stated in several different ways by several members here over time) is that homosexuality is deviant (like the rest of your list), and heterosexuality is normal.

 

[emu]

NIC....

you're a good dude bro, i like your posts, they are well thought out and intriguing, bone up (pun) on your psychology though bro.

Are KKK members secretly afraid that they're black?

no,
they are afraid that black people are equal or god forbid BETTER than them, the KKK members cannot accept that they are pathetic racist white trash losers who will amount to nothing in life, and that is the truth...just take a look at them, the "black man" represents to them the truth they want to hide from....themselves, that black people are equal if not better than them thus proving the truth that is always in their faces...that they are just average or more to the point, lower than average.

Are mysoginists secretly afraid that they're women?

no,
again, same principle, mysogonists are insecure men who feel threatened that a woman could be just as equally strong, intelligent and powerful as a man.

Was Hitler secretly scared that he was a Jew?

yes,
because he WAS, this has been well documented, his great grandmother was jewish, read your history dude, or just watch the Hitler, oops, History channel.

In the form of Western culture that has dominated the world since the Industrial Revolution, homosexuality has been seen as abherrent. Thus, reason enough for most people to stone you to death for it. In trying to find other motivation for it, you're the one who's reaching here.

question,
if the roles were reversed and heterosexuality was considered "abnormal" and "abherrent" would you not follow the crowd and be just like everyone else or would you stand firm in what you believe in and be true to your heterosexual self?

if cultural socialization has alot to do with influencing sexuality and helps to define your heterosexuality and you are partially "following the crowd" because "everybody else is doing it" then are you truly being honest with yourself in who you are?

just a thought.

E

 

[dong20]

There 's not necessarily a "right" or "wrong" may to look at those percentages. They're just one more (imperfect) way of profiling ourselves for other members, and as has been shown in many threads, there are many different ways of interpreting what those percentages mean.

I 'interperate' it by how I feel, instinctively when I see what is an obviously attractive man or a similarly attractive woman. The day I feel any sexual attraction toward the man I will re-evaluate that second %. Selecting no response for me would have been a lie at worst, a cop out at best though that only applies to me.

I don't need to think about it or rationalise it, I feel it and, for me, that's a far more reliable metric.

 

[pichulon]

First off I'm not 'bespeaking' anything. Using that preposterous word in this context only makes you look like the struggling ass you are.


I'm attempting vainly to explain to you that your refusual to see sexuality in any terms but a societal one leaves many posters (including me) to believe that you'd do anything possible to distance yourself from anything even remotely associated with the notion of being homosexual. It's so obvious it leaps from each of your posts.

And you aren't the spokesperson for 'heterosexual males' per se by a long shot.
Actually I didn't say that but since you have it's telling.




Easily you have.

Open anything you like but begin with your ability to understand.

Perhaps easily you do come from another planet since I know a bit about you beyond what you post here and you're easily 'alien' to any individual I'd like to claim a relationship to on this one.



I'm cool enough to address the incongruities in the innane argument of a frightened "heterosexual" male with his undertones of homophobia rife in his posts and his misogyny fully in place. Oddly misogyny and homophobia often go hand in hand.




There's no correlation. That's a faulty analogy. I never denied that you had heterosexuality in your spectrum and that you weren't 'born in that perversion'.


Perversion takes apparently more obvious form. You're proof positive. You demonstrate that in each post.

You 'accept' homosexuality about as readily as you read the posts of our good women posters in the 'bisexuality' thread. You read selectively and you pander to women in order to ingratiate and in that process fall flat on your face transparently each time.



My senses are intact. Your denial mechanism is the stuff of legend on this board. Trust me in this.



And I invite you to either stop living in denial.

If you're a sterling example of the "heterosexuals" among us I suggest to those others who'd use that adjective to define themselves to jump ship immediately for fear of being seen as narrowly as you see yourself and them.

You're a paranoic homophobe dude. It was all over everything you wrote in my "bisexuality and women and straight men" thread. And even and in spite of proclamations of all female posters on that thread you refused to address their reality. Yet here you'd pronounce your "died in the wool" disinclination to anything homosexual and expect us to read you and understand.

Must be as frustrating to you as it was to those women on that thread when your entreaties go entirely disregarded eh? Now imagine how those female posters in my thread viewed you.

Plus there's something else:

"pichulon"? Your reputation precedes you and I have zero respect for your behavior. You'll get my drift if you reach back deep into the recesses of your mind and recall your other on-board behavior. Dude. You're nothing but a hard-up would-be lothario who's crusing for pussy anywhere he can't find it in the real world.

Fight those instincts. That very 'wildness' has given you already a rather unsavory reputation.

In a word? G-R-O-S-S

There. Now I'm properly "cooled"

Chill out dude.

We are having a good time, exchanging thoughts, getting to know each other.

I invite you to redeem yourself, and, accept us heterosexual men for what we are.
I accept you and everyone here.

I know , with some introspection, you will find out how confused you are.

your bud

Pichulon
______________________________________

I just remembered, just in case.
Bespeak:to indicate, to evince, to betoken,to foretell, to foreshadow,to presage, to signify,to suggest, to testify,to display, to augur,to portend, to point out.
I am cool, you see, I try to help you out with a few new words.
sharing is power!

later dude.

 

[Matthew]

Selecting no response for me would have been a lie at worst, a cop out at best though that only applies to me.

I don't need to think about it or rationalise it, I feel it and, for me, that's a far more reliable metric.

Yes, and my post that you quoted was responding to someone who was talking about looking at the percentages "the wrong way."

My point was that there is not an agreed-upon 'right way'; and so, as was implicit in your post, to each his/her own.

 

[DaveyR]

For all those guys who post that they are 100% straight, you might be interested in this.

Experiments have been done with penile plethysmography (mercury-filled condoms that measures even the smallest increases in blood flow to the penis). Images of men and women were flashed to the study participants. The straight men who claimed to be only straight, and to only have interest in women showed MORE reaction to the male images than the straight men who were less definitive. In addition, as per the cliché, the more homophobic the straight man, the more increase in blood flow to his penis with the male images.

So, at least for those in the know, know your penis! And be careful what you say, in case we've read this study!

For a brand new member with 3 posts you sure know how to be controversial.