12 inches - full of shit

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Dr Rock said:
actually, he didn't. his dick was about 10" penis and about 2" hype.

Yeah, I'm good at measuring things with my hands, and a John Holmes toy I saw in a store was no where near 12". Who's the funny looking, hairy, fat guy with the amazing sense of humor and the pretty eyes? Jeremy something. I can't think right now. Anyway, Isn't he supposed to be 9"? His toy is only 7. Not that 7" isn't a nice size, it's just not what they claim. They think they're marketing those toys to women, and women aren't as visually acurate as men. As for the hype- everything's bigger on TV.
 

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But what happens when a woman measures and finds out she didn't get what she paid for/what was advertised on the box?I think you have to sign up for NewbieNudes.

EDIT: A few people (on newbienudes) are saying Mandelbrot's pics are fake and a few look like some you guys have said were fake before (one of his cock next to a swimming pool). And since there are no full body pics a lot of people are saying the pics are fake.
 
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Verry true bronx I think most womens guesstimates are a little on the high side, i have come across this. And the guy youre talking about is ron jeremy, you must be right about things being bigger on tv cause im 7'' and mine dosent look that big to me. guess the camera ads an inch or two...lol
 

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bob999 said:
If anyone has ever seen John Holmes videos, well.... he had a 12 incher and it was insane.

There are plenty of claims that John Holmes had 12" or even 13" - he claimed 10". He was thin and this tends to make his cock look bigger. Without anything to measure it against in most of the films it just looks huge, and it is easy to believe the claims of 12". But it's really 10"

You are right it looks insane - ginormous. Which 10" is. 8" is really big. 6" is comfortably above average. Average comes in something like 5-5.5". And more than half of guys are average or smaller.

I think our society is conditioned to the porn inch to the extent that guys even manage to deceive themselves. Lets face it, a cock isn't that easy to measure, and I'm willing to bet lots of guys go for best of three measures or some such. Anything over 6" is big.

By the way John Holmes is supposed to have appeared in around 2000 hard core films and to have fucked around 14,000 women. However he had a range of personal problems and died aged 43 so it wasn't all good. But imagine, 14,000 women ... :rolleyes:
 

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Reading threads like this -- and really this entire site in general -- is fascinating for me from two standpoints. First, I think I fall into the "large penis" moniker at 7.5", though even if that isn't "large", I'm enjoying my convos with all of you.

Secondly, my major area of academic research has been in male body image dissatisfaction, which is a growing trend of research programs in psychology (the field in which I have my master's and will going for my Ph.D. soon). Although my personal focus has been on the issue of muscle dysmorphia -- that is, guys wanting to bulk up to abnormal levels -- there are others who do work on penis size, though (no pun intended) that is a smaller field than the muscle research.

Based on my perceptions of penis size studies -- and I've read the journal articles of many -- I think every penis size study conducted has been methodologically flawed, and only gives a partial truth as to average penis size. The same penis could be "scientifically" determined to have a number of lengths based on person doing the measurement (self-report is biased, male researchers tend to underestimate their peers), point of measurement, and even time of day of the study or level of arousal. So, if we take these studies in sum, they seem to suggest the average penis is somewhere between 5 and 6 inches, though to give a "pinpoint" is inappropriate methodologically and statistically (stats can only give us a window view anyhow, never a pinpoint precision).

Secondly, why is penis size so important? I think, somehow, penis size has become conflated with masculinity in the same way that muscularity has been conflated with masculinity. To have more is to be more masculinie, which is a very American attitude, though not reflective of any genetic of physiological truth. And, if men with large penises do seem more masculine, that could be our projection of masculinity on to them, or perhaps the consequence of the "valued" status in which they are categorized. Historically, however, this association of large dick with perfection has not been the case -- if we look at the art of Ancient Greece and even Renaissance Italy, we see that the penises depicted are what we might consider "small". Yet, those smaller penises were the ideal, as they were seen as being more "human" -- those of gargantuan proportions were seen as being more crude, animalistic, and thus less civilized. I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but there is nothing truly "manly" about a big cock, except our own socialized projections of masculinity on the large male member. It is possible that in two hundred years we might consider another physical characteristic as indicative of masculinity since 1.) No physical trait is really related to manliness and 2.) Gender (and sex for that matter) is a socially developed construct -- as a characteristic in itself, gender only exists due to society.

Sorry to ramble, but I feel like these are important points to remember when talking about penis size and the quest for the 12" or 15" penis. I, however, am going hope that nose size becomes equated with masculinity sometime soon, since i have a honker! Let the nose revolution begin!
 

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Aha! A true professional is amoung us, how nice.

I love big noses, Julian Sands is one of my favorite people to look at even though he is not my favorite actor.
 

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madame_zora said:
Aha! A true professional is amoung us, how nice.

I love big noses, Julian Sands is one of my favorite people to look at even though he is not my favorite actor.
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amhersthungboi said:
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my major area of academic research has been in male body image dissatisfaction, which is a growing trend of research programs in psychology (the field in which I have my master's and will going for my Ph.D. soon)
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why is penis size so important? I think, somehow, penis size has become conflated with masculinity in the same way that muscularity has been conflated with masculinity....

Surely lots of sense in amhersthungboi's post. And of course no easy answer to why penis size is imporant. But I think there is a whole area of perception of the general health of the guy.

Fat guys show less penis (I think its something to do with having fat around the root). A fit guy of correct weight will show what he has to maximum advantage. A firm erection suggests an underlying decent level of health - while impotence suggests a health problem. There are lots of exceptions of course. But our instinct ignores these. We see a guy with a big penis and assume healthy, fit, potent, therefore successful. An above average penis is a bonus in our society. I imagine 6" to 8" is ideal - anything above this is so unusual that it suggests there is something odd.
 

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Jason said:
We see a guy with a big penis and assume healthy, fit, potent, therefore successful.

I don't buy it. People see a big penis and immediately start compensating, with the assumption that only cavemen are built like that. Maybe some of us are indeed troglodytes, but some of us, surely, aren't. A support group can do a number of useful things, perhaps the most important being a demonstration that there are other over-hung guys in the world who can actually type and chew gum at the same time. But those who lie about their stats ("just as a joke", of course, ha ha ha), or just blow kisses to each other in the comments rather than say anything insightful, don't demonstrate that.
 

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big dirigible said:
I don't buy it. People see a big penis and immediately start compensating, with the assumption that only cavemen are built like that. Maybe some of us are indeed troglodytes, but some of us, surely, aren't. A support group can do a number of useful things, perhaps the most important being a demonstration that there are other over-hung guys in the world who can actually type and chew gum at the same time. But those who lie about their stats ("just as a joke", of course, ha ha ha), or just blow kisses to each other in the comments rather than say anything insightful, don't demonstrate that.

This site is a combination of fun and support. I don't mind if we have members who only blow kisses, they aren't hurting anybody. Many of our members who will take an hour out to write a serious and insightful response to a serious inquiry will also write plenty of dribble when there's nothing more important going on (me). Yes, lpsg stands as commentary that all hung guys are not cavemen and many are quite the reverse. There is no further case to make than to read the whole site, not just a few comments.
 

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big dirigible said:
or just blow kisses to each other in the comments rather than say anything insightful, don't demonstrate that.
There are a few asses worth kissing around here, haha. The intelligence and wit that adorn some posts are what makes this site worth coming back to in my book. Great posters deserve a few props every now and then. Of course, like most things, this can be taken to an extreme.
 

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Jason said:
Surely lots of sense in amhersthungboi's post. And of course no easy answer to why penis size is imporant. But I think there is a whole area of perception of the general health of the guy.

Fat guys show less penis (I think its something to do with having fat around the root). A fit guy of correct weight will show what he has to maximum advantage. A firm erection suggests an underlying decent level of health - while impotence suggests a health problem. There are lots of exceptions of course. But our instinct ignores these. We see a guy with a big penis and assume healthy, fit, potent, therefore successful. An above average penis is a bonus in our society. I imagine 6" to 8" is ideal - anything above this is so unusual that it suggests there is something odd.

Thanks for the props, Jason ... I try to be sensical once in awhile (that is, of course, when I'm not trying to enlongate my penis to imitate an elephant).

I find interesting your biological argument of large penis = health, since even THAT is culturally biased. Indeed, historically socities have invented massive biological lies regarding superiority of one biological trait or another: sex, age, race, and I happen to recall some loonie who thought that those with blonde hair and blue eyes were most verile and should rule the earth. Oh, the lies we tell ourselves.

There is something to be said about a firm erection signifying health, though it is just as possible to get a firm erection at 4" as it is at 8". And, based on my locker room experiences, it seems just as likely to see an obese man with big one as it is a skinny man -- though, of course, if the obese man lost weight then it would truly be WOAH!

Interesting: We've moved close to a discussion of sociobiology and its demented cousin eugenics. I guess hung bois AREN'T cavemen (for the most part ... :rolleyes:)
 

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yeah, in porn or pictures, if it claims a guy is 8, generally he is 7, if it claims he's 10, he's generaly 8, if it claims he's 12, generally he's 10, and if it claims anymore, well it's just even more bs.

That and I think a lof of it has to do with how uneducated people are when it comes to guessing sizes. I've had girls say wow, you must be at least 10 long, and I'm not that big. Of course in pornos, they use select angles to make the guys look bigger than they actually are, which can be deceptive.

That being said, Mr 18 inches the porn star, was probably around 12 as a guess, that's how much hype goes into it