2016 election mashup - sanders -vs- trump.

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You can say that he was to far ahead of his time when Mike Ryoko gave him that name.

He still has plenty of "new ideas"

He does not have all the "socialist" baggage that Bernie bring with him but he is still popular with many of the same groups and he has proven track record, turned around California some would say twice AND he is life long Democrat something Bernie still is NOT.
 
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I want someone who speaks fluent Spanish and can motivate and get the majority of registered Hispanic voters to the polls to turn out and other Hispanics to register. Jeb Bush and Tim Kaine are Hispanophones but had about as much appeal as, well, white-wafer fishfood.
 

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I would've voted for Bernie.

I have no idea how we would've paid for everything he wanted to do, but I like his ideas nonetheless.
 

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You're right that Hillary got the lion's share of the minority vote in the primaries, and had Bernie won the primaries he would have probably picked up that same vote, but that had no effect on the states Hillary lost and I don't see Bernie appealing to the middle class voters who switched to Trump in Pa., Michigan, and other Democratic strongholds. They did not like the bill for his proposals, free college, single payer, etc. That was Bernie's larger problem, in my opinion. Populist rhetoric does not often play well with the middle class voter - too many of them see themselves as "almost rich" and want to cling to their money rather than fund even government programs that benefit them and their families.

We will have to agree to disagree.
 

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The only advantage Bernie would have is being the candidate of change. Prediction: since Trump ripped off Ronnie Raygun's Make America Great Again slogan from 1980 to get elected he'll use Reagan's It's Morning in America slogan from 1984 to seek reelection.

The Dems need a gifted orator. Barak was. Hillary was not. Bernie's oratory was angry, but so was Trump's (it would have been great to see these two angry rhetoricians go head to head in 2016). The only gifted orator the Dems have now at the national level is Cory Booker. He's young, he's attractive, he can give a speech--with the right speechwriters and ad campaign he'll win.

A more pertinent question is will Bernie run at age 74? It's less of an issue since Trump will also be 74, but it'd break the record for the oldest candidates which Hillary and Trump set last year! ;)
 

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I am telling you Jerry "age is just a number" Brown

If the Stones and the Who can still be touring and the Eagles and others they are playing with can play stadiums shows this summer then he is NOT "too old"
 

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Hmm, Sanders in 2020, I like it. Good luck liberals and thanks again.

However, perhaps you should hold off about speculating on old Bernie's chances and maybe let the FBI bank fraud investigation he and his wife are currently under play out?

Just a thought.
 

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Phonehome is right; if Jerry Brown were ten years younger he would be clearing the field, if he didn't run and win in 2016. People forget his campaign in 1992 -- he was the Bernie of his time. He does populist anger really well, and unlike 90% of politicians, he doesn't cower before the charisma of someone like Trump.

I would love for Sanders or Warren to be president, but I fear they would lose the nomination to Booker or Castro. Two words, Democrats: The Rock.
 

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He is NOT "too old"

Just watch the show on HBO now with Carl Reiner about all these people who are 90 or older who are active and leading very productive lives.
 

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Phonehome is right; if Jerry Brown were ten years younger he would be clearing the field, if he didn't run and win in 2016. People forget his campaign in 1992 -- he was the Bernie of his time. He does populist anger really well, and unlike 90% of politicians, he doesn't cower before the charisma of someone like Trump.

I would love for Sanders or Warren to be president, but I fear they would lose the nomination to Booker or Castro. Two words, Democrats: The Rock.

Jerry Brown? Really? Dems may as well run a plucked chicken. Oh wait, they already did.

And Pocahontas plays right into Trumps massive hands and teeth. He'll eat that excitable bitch up and spit her out like a peach pit during debates. She's even more unappealing a speaker than Hillary what with Warren's grating old lady "get off my lawn!" persona, never mind her academic PC cred which is absolute poison to anyone hoping to take out the orange king in 2020.

Little advice Dems, you pick anyone remotely identified to this SJW/PC bullshit that you've been trying to shove down the rest of America's throats and you are fucked. What you need is to get back in touch with middle America, the working class. Stop being so god damn divisive with your identity politics. Start being very vocal and firm in your rejection of those leftist hate groups like Antifa. Perception is everything. How do you think a gang of ISIS cosplayers caring Nazi colored banners and assaulting people, free speech, is playing with the middle class? Do honestly believe third wave feminist publicly supporting Sharia Law will bring back the voters Obama won and Hillary lost?

What you need is a classic democrat who has a clear message, speaks directly to working Americans, and ignores the PC special interest circus. Someone who is articulate and stays on point. Someone that doesn't allow the Hollywood douchebaggery to pollute their message and talk down to blue collar Americans.

Although I don't think he could have won, I believe Sanders would have done a much better job of deflating Trump's appeal by not engaging in the mud slinging. Trump lives for that shit. Hillary was a complete fool to think she could beat him at his own game. He already machine gunned down a field of professional politicians, republicans candidates, to get to her. He said whatever the fuck came into his head and it didn't hurt him.

The man took a chapter out the Art of War. Best you choose the battlefield not your opponent. Hillary was the Custer of politics. In her arrogance, her overconfidence, she actually believed she could just ride into Trump's sloping plain and beat him on his own turf. Instead the daff bitch got scalped and landed ass up in the dirt.

Wonder what Custer's last thoughts were before some rankless brave took off the top of his fat head? They were probably along the lines of Hillary's thoughts when she saw the Rust Belt's ballot box numbers election night, "We got this ... wait, where the fuck did they come from???"
 
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Start being very vocal and firm in your rejection of those leftist hate groups like Antifa.

Who? Liberals need to start being firm and vocal about our rejection of groups we've never even heard of? Yes, I'm sure that is what cost us 2016.
 
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Who? Liberals need to start being firm and vocal about our rejection of groups we've never even heard of? Yes, I'm sure that is what cost us 2016.

You've never heard of Antifa? Jeebus christ, how's that rock you've been living under?

Your denial and claims of ignorance won't save you. Again, it's all about perception. These radical groups are clearly associated with the Left.
 

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You've never heard of Antifa? Jeebus christ, how's that rock you've been living under?

Your denial and claims of ignorance won't save you. Again, it's all about perception. These radical groups are clearly associated with the Left.

Holy shit. Radical leftist groups are on the left? You're fucking kidding me.

Next you'll argue that reactionary groups are on the right!
 

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You've never heard of Antifa? Jeebus christ, how's that rock you've been living under?

Your denial and claims of ignorance won't save you. Again, it's all about perception. These radical groups are clearly associated with the Left.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa

Wikipedia doesn't even have an entry on it.

I have to go to some conservative website, which references an Esquire article, and the esquire article doesn't even talk about Antifa by name.

https://www.conservativereview.com/...d-why-are-the-media-so-reluctant-to-expose-it

I'm not saying the group doesn't exist, just wondering why you think everyone runs the same tinfoil hat websites that you do.
 

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You've never heard of Antifa? Jeebus christ, how's that rock you've been living under?

Your denial and claims of ignorance won't save you. Again, it's all about perception. These radical groups are clearly associated with the Left.

Of all the issues that came up in this last election, I'm pretty sure Antifa wasn't one of them. Don't see much reason for that to change.
 
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Of all the issues that came up in this last election, I'm pretty sure Antifa wasn't one of them. Don't see much reason for that to change.

No, not Antifa specifically. They weren't even on my radar until February. And I wouldn't confidently assert that opposition to free speech from the Left was one of the top 3 issues that influenced people to vote for Mr. Trump. But I would say it was probably in the top 12. And it's definitely not just an issue for people on the Right. I've seen plenty of Centrists who are very concerned about it. And even some Leftists! Even Mr. Sanders himself, in the wake of the election, expressed dismay at his party shilling so hard for identity politics.