25 rules for being a good Republican

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warmsunshine:

That was v. funny, although I always thought the Cuba thing was just standard US policy rather than Rep/Dem party lines -

longtimelurker, I think that it's a mixture of both. I can remember some prominent republicans and conservatives decrying our trade with China...but it certainly wasn't based upon their communist leanings. It was more on their human rights record and specifically their abortion policies.

They're mildly amusing to me. Of course, the things about good jokes, puns, etc. is the kernel of truth that they are based on. It's even better when the butt of the joke gets it and can smile ruefully that there wouldn't be a joke going around if they didn't provide the basis for it.

Heh. I'd say there was a heck of a lot more than a "kernel" in my posting. But I think you're right in that I'm sure some enterprising republican could come up with a list for democrats.

And sure, it's meant to be funny... but unfortunately it isn't a joke.

Ahem!!!
i have a qualm with this one here.


8 ) You have to believe that a woman cannot be trusted with decisions about her own body, but that large multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind with no regulation whatsoever.

excuse me, but IMHO a woman gives up rights to her body when she CHOOSES to have sex, she KNOWS that pregnancy CAN be a result, even with protection.
Explain to me then, why a BABY is HER body??
DONT even get me started!!!
30 points? thats it, jerkin?
mine went up ALOT more than that lol!

Well, I'm sooooo sorry you find being pro-choice so offensive and reproductive rights such anathma to your sensibilities [/dripping sarcasm]. If you don't want to have an abortion...don't have one.

And I must say, Tender, what an...um...ironic nickname you have.

 

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Tender: am i to understand that you do not like my view of "prochoice" being "pro-convenince/slash/ murder" ?

IMHO reproduction 'rights' is what birth control, adoption, and other 'non evasive' methods are for.
ending an unborn childs life, should not be anyones 'right'.
she has the right to say no, to use birth control, or place the baby for adoption.
being legal doesnt make it ok.
I do understand that there gray areas which some draw lines at different places, such as rape or birth defects......
but i see that you differ in your view-- thats your bone to pick, not mine.

~~ off soapbox now~~
Tender

ps i dont think it very Tender to allow a baby of 6 or 8 months to be forced into breech birth, only to have its head crushed and its brain sucked out 30 seconds before its considered a 'legal' human being, while the nurse watches it clasp its hands, and kick its tiny feet.
it can FEEL for God's sake. :'(

 

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Inwood: I think you can think whatever you want when you think about the term pro-choice. Just as I assume everyone else can think what he or she want when they think of term pro-life.

I'm not necessarily pro-abortion but I am for a woman having the right to have control over her body. I also think there are certain limitations that can be placed in regard to abortion that do not impinge on her rights in that regard. In my opinion one being that an abortion for the sake of abortion in the last trimester would be out of the question unless the mother's life is at stake. There are perhaps others but I'm not in a frame of mind right now to really try to articulate those.

As far as birth control some people on the pro-life side don't even like those options. I'm all for adoption but there are more children then there are families. And what about the "problem" adoptees? Most people only want "perfect" babies to adopt.

And why is the fetus's life more important then the mother's life? Why is it your right or my right to decide that for someone else?

And as far as something being legal doesn't make it right--that would be in the eye of the beholder. There are some who would say it being legal (now) to be able to love your gay partner in a physically meaningful way isn't right either. But in my opinion it was right whether it was legal or not.

I hope you don't stop saying your piece about these things. I think it would be very good if abortions dropped to almost zero. (There's always going to be some medical problem that can't be solved) It would be great if all families were loving and wanted their children. But that's a world we don't live in and I have a great distrust for people who feel they know better then myself what is best for my own body or anyone else's.

 

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Tender: you bring out some good points.
(i think this thread has been hijacked? )

***And why is the fetus's life more important then the mother's life?***
cant say that it is.
but it IS more important than her money, embarassment or convenience.

***As far as birth control some people on the pro-life side don't even like those options.***
that is because some BC methods prevent an already fertilized egg from attatching or forming, ending the pregnancy, she never knows she was pregnant.
Of course there are the religious wackos that think you only have sex to get pregnant and that all BC is evil.

***Most people only want "perfect" babies to adopt.***
that is sometimes the case. those people arent fit to parent. lol i only want you if you look like me and are perfect.
i understand the need for some families to have a healthy baby ect, but still its pretty shallow. no guarantees of a healthy baby through pregnancy, i dont see how adoption should be different.
also many families start out that way, and then change their minds when the right child is presented for them.

***Why is it your right or my right to decide that for someone else?***
its on the ballot. i vote for prolife candidates whenever possible.
i pay taxes. my taxes are used to support pro-choice programs.
the laws that are passed today will affect MY children tomarrow.
Society also determines wether it is a persons 'right' to steal, the answer is no. to murder, the answer is no. ect, why would abortion be any different. for petes sake we even tell people how fast to drive their cars and fine them for destroying bird eggs. But somehow we dont have the power to protect an unborn HUMAN being ???

***And as far as something being legal doesn't make it right--that would be in the eye of the beholder***
this will bring us into the absolute truth realm, which bombs around here lol. i was taught that some things are TRUE. and some are not. Nothing makes a true thing false, even if one beleives it is not true.
The truth is- abortion ends human life... i have yet to see anything disprove that.

***I have a great distrust for people who feel they know better then myself what is best for my own body or anyone else's***
Who protects the unborn baby's rights to his body? I have a great distrust for someone who doesnt know what is best for their own flesh and blood, would treat a helpless unborn baby like unwanted trash or leftovers.
Vaccines are mandatory, and when one thinks it is best to be drunk on the street- they go to jail. Street drugs will also not be legally 'allowed' for ones body. having sex with a minor involves a child, not only 'my' own body and is ilegal. likewise should abortion be. it involves a body besides HERS--no one likes to admit that....
There are laws all over the place which dictate what one cant do with their own body.
and, alas what about the father? ok sometimes long gone. but not always the case. abortion is becoming more popular to young wives who are in a career, finishing school ect.... not ready for a baby. They dont have to tell hubby they were ever pregnant.
contrary to popular belief, it is not very young highschool girls that get the majority of abortions. its college age and newlyweds. I guess hubby's portion of BODY doesnt count lol...nor rights to his child...

i have seen babies born very premature and there is no doubt that aborting THAT is murder IMO. even at 2 pounds--they drink, they cry, they poop lol!
but if he were still in her tummy, she could poison it.
sickens me.


Tender

 

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Inwood: Vaccines have exemptions. Some are for religious beliefs and some are for the problem that vaccines pose a danger to people with compromised immune system. Everything shouldn't be only one way. Somethings yes but even murder has different levels of offense; 1st degree, 2nd degree, manslaughter, etc.

I think your arguement that just because it's legal it isn't right could also apply to just because it's on the ballot doesn't mean we should be able to vote on it.

You could take it to absolute truth if you want but I was keeping it in the realm of something that was in the news recently. Legal is in the eye of the beholder. Go into any courtroom. The same evidence can be given to five different juries and you'll have five different verdicts. It doesn't mean it boils down to absolute truth it's just we all see the world differently. I would just prefer a world where we make our own decisions based on the best available knowledge. Both pro and con on what we want to do.

In some ways I'm old fashioned and to my mind until the fetus is born it is a part of the woman's body. I don't expect you to agree. That's my opinion and it's part of why I feel that a woman must have the ability to choose for herself.

Now if you can convince her not to have an abortion more power to you. But you're more likely to have the chance to do that when abortion is legal then when it's illegal. Because abortions have gone on as long as there have been females who are pregnant. And when it's underground she's not going to go around talking about it.

My hope is that abortion will be legal but rare. And again I think that's more likely to come about if it is legal then if it's made illegal.

 

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happysucks: "it can FEEL for God's sake."

This is not a "CHRISTIAN" issue.

"it can FEEL." would have worked just fine.

If you want to bring "GOD" into it...

Welcome to the WebForum of the Golden Cow.

Penis Worship is Ungodly.


And why the need for "IMHO" on every reply?

From the read one could tell it's YOUR opinion and there is nothing Humble about it.

Humble. verb: cause to be unpretentious
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I think a woman has a right to choose.

I don't agree with the "choice" to abort but as you brought "God" up... The one thing always preached about is "God gave us the right to Choose" and then you go and "choose to empower yourself, GODLIKE, and remove your HUMAN EQUAL'S rights, GOD GIVEN, to choose.

 

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Tender: for Petes sake, lol,
its a figure of speech, never heard it?

i never said it was a christian issue anywhere....
so when you say God Dammit! thats a christian phrase for you?
i reply using the term IMHO often because for one it is habbit and the style which i write.
and two, it IS my opinion, i do not want to word something in a way for others to think i am factualizing it for *them*.
as far as the rest of your comment, i think you totally missed what i was trying to say, so... nevermind....

Tender