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Discussion in 'Et Cetera, Et Cetera' started by DC_DEEP, Apr 10, 2006.

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Bush or Libby: Who's lying?

  1. Bush is lying

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  2. Libby is lying

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  3. An as-yet unnamed person is lying

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    15.3%
  1. DC_DEEP

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    Now that Scooter has named Mr President as the source of the classified info leak, Bush has changed his story. He originally said (paraphrased) We will get to the bottom of this leak of classified information, and the person responsible will be fired at least, prosecuted if necessary. Now he is saying that yes, he revealed the CIA operative's identity, but that he had previously declassified it. Who's lying?
     
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    Another Watergate? How about Total-Lack-of-Moral-Compass-Gate?
     
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    They're ALL lying. But Bush's nose should be the longest. It's politics and they're politicians. Dishonesty is a prerequisite.

    Did you hear about the rumors of an imminent attack on Iran... ?? I swear Dubya's the reincarnation of Ghengis Khan.
     
  4. Dr Rock

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    he has neither the charisma nor the talent
     
  5. madame_zora

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    I know a lot of people think he has better sense than to invade Iran, but I don't share their optimism. I think he's just stupid enough to try, I hope someone up there has better sense.
     
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    I think his party knows an invasion of Iran would get them all out of office, so we have at least some hope they someone will pull leash back.
     
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    Oh, I think you missed Bush's point.

    Which is multi-faceted, to wit:

    1) We will track down all those Evil Leakers of secret information that can damage the National Interest.

    2) I can declassify any information at any time, for the education of the American Public.

    3) Any information I declassify is by definition, no longer secret, therefore, cannot be leaked (in the Washington definition of same)

    4) And therefore...We will track down all those Evil Leakers (of whom I am obviously not one!)

    Hope that clears it up for you.

    (BTW, before I get PMs, and for those who just don't get it, this post is obviously meant in jest. This whole thing is just politics writ large, and has little if anything to do with our real national interest, a nd is all about getting even with people whose politics you hate, or who catch you in a lie.)
     
  8. DC_DEEP

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    Well, yes and no. His party (make that the entire House and Senate, plus the puppet-masters at the white house) know that even though the people don't want the current war, let alone starting another one next door in Iran, the sheep/voting idiots will do nothing to interrupt business as usual in DC. Was that not obvious enough in 2004? Your average simpleton who gets his voting instructions from his preacher fears "that other party in power" more than they fear having the US fighting two useless wars in two contiguous countries. Our mind-boggling war debt, the erosion of rights (see Washington Post Sunday 4-9-06 for article about AG Gonzales), increased terrorist action, artificially inflated oil prices, flagrant and unabashed lies out of the White House and the Pentagon and alarming inaction of the Department of Justice (even in the face of federal law which REQUIRES DoJ action).... none of this is making an impact on the thought processes of your "average american."
     
  9. geitjeshoeder

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    Impeach Bush!

    If the USA wants to bring democracy to other nations, they should step down from their neo-conservative idea's and give a more libertarian hand to economically challenged nations around the world. (ie. Paying a fair price! Just google on the words IKEA and Code of conduct and you'll easily see that IKEA can pay fair prices and keep on growing..) The Bush administration is making a lot of debth and a lot of people jobless in the US of A. About 60% of all the GI's in Iraq believe that they are there to avenge 9-11 and the Al Qaeda attacks on the USS Cole etc etc. Bush has lied to them!, he has never provided ANY proof on iraqi state help to Al Qaeda!. I think that the US needs to have a administration which focusses on the issues at hand. 28 milion bare without proper healthcare insurance, the educational system has not improved since Bush has signed the "Leave no child behind" act. I firmly believe that the US needs proper Education, Health-care and small-bussines support. Looking back at the New Orleans disaster it is astounding to me as a Dutch person to see one of the most richest countries can not build a good coastal storm defence system, something we had over here since the 1950s.

    Just my 2 cents on Bush.

    If you believe that Bush is doing okay, don't flame me, i'm just a European liberal-socialist living in a country where everyone can have a free college education, free health care and is at least is bi-lingual.
     
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    .......... so so true
     
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    As much as I'd like your assertions about this story to be true, they aren't. Nothing in those court documents indicates that the President approved the leaking of the agent's identity.
     
  12. rob_just_rob

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    I can't see GWB getting to fuck 5,000 women, or however many it was that GK managed. Plunder, you know.
     
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    If it makes you feel better, they do the same thing up here. Our current autocrat ran on a platform of cleaning up government, has since indulged in some unethical behaviour (encouraging floor-crossing, ignoring ethics commissioners) and excuses this by hiding behind the letter of his pre-election promises, as opposed to living up to their spirit.

    The fact that Harper acts like a smaller-scale Bush is the best argument *against* an expanded Canadian military.
     
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    Bush's political mojo is only the sum of his advisors. The man is stupid. He's already been caught in more lies than all other presidents in recent history. I'll take Clinton's blowjob over all this any day.
     
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    That is encouraging to remember, geitjeshoeder.

    I wonder sometimes if the US is capable of making something like free health care work since our society has been taught to think of things in the flawed terms of our current system (insurance, etc.). It's like trying to change the way our people think about government assistance programs (a necessary and wonderful think, I think) after we have already created a generationally propagated "welfare families."

    How do we reeducate our culture to think differently?
     
  16. DC_DEEP

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    So you have seen the actual court documents? I have not... the only thing I have to go on is the Washington Post articles, which I read (mostly) daily. The article I read just before starting this thread said point blank that Scooter had named georgie as the source of the leak. The Whitehouse official response seemed to corroborate. What information do you have, that I do not?
     
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    it will be very hard for bush to slander Scooter, because it is Scooter who tells bush what to say
     
  18. DC_DEEP

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    I thought it was pretty much a given that bush is told what to say by his cabinet, and that he really has little to say on his own... but I never thought of slander as being a part of the equation.

    The unsettling thing, for me, is that there is some obvious deceit, obfuscation, and outright lying going on regarding a matter of national security; someone (regardless of the specific "who") in the White House leaked the identity of an undercover agent. For bush to come back now, and say "I declassified that information, so no crime was committed" is a blatant lie. If the info was declassified, he WOULD HAVE SAID SO at the beginning, rather than making grandiose statements that the source would be fired and punished. The facts just do not add up, and the Department of Justice seems to be doing nothing. If I had leaked secret information, and had gotten caught, you can bet your ass I would be currently held in some secret prison somewhere, subject to a secret grand jury.
     
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    I wonder who actually thinks Bush is a saint... or Jesus here for his second coming? It's sickening how people tend to worship him and support him on everything, blindly.
     
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    They are all lying.
     
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