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Was doing some net surfing and landed on this video.

3D Printed Guns (Documentary) - YouTube

And it got me to thinking how folks feel about the future of 3D gun printing.

Now a few things. I'm not asking how anti-gun and pro gun law people feel as i'd assume their feelings when it comes to guns will stay the same or become extreme towards gun control. I'm asking how those that are against gun laws and gun bands feels about this.
 

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There are already laws in place, concerning "home made" guns. I see no reason why these guns should be treated differently than any other home made gun.

I can go online and get the G-Code for a 1911 handgun, if I want it. And, with an appropriately capable CNC machine I can machine it out of the proper steel, and make a beautiful and precise gun. Completely legal. I would be able to keep and use it, carry it, and (I have to check on this one) leave it to my estate. But I could not sell it to someone else, or manufacture them, without licensing.

I could also go to Home Depot and produce some less elegant firearms out of commonly available materials.

Other than the precise method of production and the specific material being used, I see nothing particularly new in 3D printed guns. Certainly nothing to change my mind about the relevant laws.
 

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3D guns as I understand it can be printed from a non-metallic resin with at most a single titanium ring inside to meet legal restrictions. If not for that ring, the gun wouldn't be detectable in a metal detector, how effective it would be without that last metal part, I don't know. Fact of the matter is, its easy to get a gun, if they want to make a weapon in 3D printer, well no one can stop them and most of the country wouldn't. Because liberty. That's gun culture for you in America. Arm everyone, except black people.

"What's great about America is that you can buy ammo online."

What about that isn't shameful?

I don't want live in that America anymore.
 
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3D guns as I understand it can be printed from a non-metallic resin with at most a single titanium ring inside to meet legal restrictions. If not for that ring, the gun wouldn't be detectable in a metal detector, how effective it would be without that last metal part, I don't know. Fact of the matter is, its easy to get a gun, if they want to make a weapon in 3D printer, well no one can stop them and most of the country wouldn't. Because liberty. That's gun culture for you in America. Arm everyone, except black people.

"What's great about America is that you can buy ammo online."

What about that isn't shameful?

I don't want live in that America anymore.

If you're feeling froggy, jump.
 

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3D guns as I understand it can be printed from a non-metallic resin with at most a single titanium ring inside to meet legal restrictions. If not for that ring, the gun wouldn't be detectable in a metal detector,
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I don't want live in that America anymore.

The pin doesn't have to be titanium, actually. But it does need to be metal, at this point of development.

One thing you're forgetting, though, is that bullets are also metal. And, without bullets, the gun is a paperweight.

As for not wanting to live in America, that's a very sad statement. But one of the nice things about this country is the freedom to easily emigrate, if you so choose.
 

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3D guns as I understand it can be printed from a non-metallic resin with at most a single titanium ring inside to meet legal restrictions. If not for that ring, the gun wouldn't be detectable in a metal detector, how effective it would be without that last metal part, I don't know. Fact of the matter is, its easy to get a gun, if they want to make a weapon in 3D printer, well no one can stop them and most of the country wouldn't. Because liberty. That's gun culture for you in America. Arm everyone, except black people.

"What's great about America is that you can buy ammo online."

What about that isn't shameful?

I don't want live in that America anymore.


Dude, don't let the bullshit, bigots, and crackpots run you. Run them.
 
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Yeah i asked pro gun and anti-gun law folks cause 3D printing seems to come completely out of left field for me. Given the current state of 3D gun printing i doubt the issue will impact very much. Technology though is the reason i'm even saying anything. Some years ago people though ipods would never come to pass in their lifetime. An while thats extreme it kind of isn't, given current technological breakthroughs.

In my mind, the potential for these things to disrupt just about everything and everyone in one way shape form or another down the road is huge. Just wanted to see if pro gun people saw it too. I can see now that the only one's that do may just be the NRA. Seeing as how they stand to lose a little doe.
 

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Do you have any idea how much the plastic fiber material costs? It would be cheaper to buy a gun the regular way, and even a cheap firearm would perform better. But, as I said originally, it's still a "home made gun," which is already covered under existing laws.

Just because a new style of machine can produce it, doesn't mean it's something entirely new.
 

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It's typical liberal mentality: just look at one small small small part of the big picture. A 3d printer that can print objects with a max size of 14cm^3 costs about $1500. And then the price of materials. That's already more expensive than the average pistol.
 

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In their defense, though, Honey...technology tends to drive prices down. Over time there will be a way to make them economically...as I said, though, they are already home made guns and covered under existing law...this is what is failing to be recognized. As for the plastic components, yes, but bullets are also made of metal and would set off any detector currently in existence both from their metallic content, but also due to the powder which would be caught by chemical sniffers.
 

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In their defense, though, Honey...technology tends to drive prices down. Over time there will be a way to make them economically...as I said, though, they are already home made guns and covered under existing law...this is what is failing to be recognized. As for the plastic components, yes, but bullets are also made of metal and would set off any detector currently in existence both from their metallic content, but also due to the powder which would be caught by chemical sniffers.

Thanks for understanding most of my points. Since you said it and i'm not completely in the know. Chemical sniffers? You mean dogs?

Edit: Oh and keep in mind. I'm talking 5 to 10 years from now.
 
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Thanks for understanding most of my points. Since you said it and i'm not completely in the know. Chemical sniffers? You mean dogs?

Edit: Oh and keep in mind. I'm talking 5 to 10 years from now.

Yes, dogs are one option. There are also electronic sniffers, but the result is the same...they could "smell" the powder chemicals, which would flag the person for a free colonoscopy.
 
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Yes, dogs are one option. There are also electronic sniffers, but the result is the same...they could "smell" the powder chemicals, which would flag the person for a free colonoscopy.

So your saying that in five to ten years there will be no getting around dog's, metal detectors or electronic sniffers? As well as the current home made gun laws? If so cool. I don't think its that simple now or in the time frame i was asking about. Personally, i feel this topic has the potential to blow both sides of the gun debate out of the water in favor of more updated and expansive laws. Just wanted to see if pro gun people thought the same but i can see thats not the case.
 

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So your saying that in five to ten years there will be no getting around dog's, metal detectors or electronic sniffers?
No, not at all. There will *always* be ways to get around restrictions. But since we're talking about dogs, etc, consider drugs. Drug sniffing dogs can zero in on a sealed ziploc baggie that *used* to have drugs in it, if I believe what I saw on that documentary.

The similarities are quite remarkable, actually.

As well as the current home made gun laws? If so cool. I don't think its that simple now or in the time frame i was asking about.
I can go to Home Depot, buy about $20 worth of materials, and "manufacture" a fairly crude but very effective gun in half an hour. It's way easier than you think. No machining necessary.

And it's completely legal. Which is the point.

Home made guns will always be around. And, there's no reason they shouldn't be. Our laws even accept this, and take it into consideration...the only restrictions are that they must not be manufactured and sold to others. You can make them for your own use, with no problem.

Personally, i feel this topic has the potential to blow both sides of the gun debate out of the water in favor of more updated and expansive laws. Just wanted to see if pro gun people thought the same but i can see thats not the case.
This represents just another variety of home made gun. Why do you believe that they should be treated differently than other home made guns?

That's what *I* don't understand.
 
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I'm more concerned with how best to invest in 3-d printing.

Somebody's going to make a fortune and I want a piece of it!
 

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Obama was correct. right wing paranoids continue to cling to their fundamentalist religion BS and their guns.
since they cant think deeply, and wont question any local customs that enforce their hierarchy in the local community pecking order, they are fine with just about anything that will reinforce the status quo.

and no one in the psychological community was more intimidated sexually, more immature and less understanding of women's sexual needs than Sigmund Freud, redneckgymrat.

go read up on his life and get educated.
 

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Thank you for a message, Cruz, that added nothing to the conversation. But the fact that you chose to focus your rant on me, specifically, means that I must have made a few good points, so I'll take your attention as a compliment. Thank you.

Now, let's get back to the subject at hand.

Earlier I asked a question, and I never actually got an answer. Under current laws it is legal to manufacture your own gun, at home, for your own use. 3D printing might mean that more people choose to take this route, but they're still home made guns, and are already subject to the same laws and restrictions that already exist.

The original post in this thread suggests that some view 3D printed guns as something different...obviously I do not. So, my question for those on the "other side" is why? What do you feel makes them so different from other home made guns? And, why are you so anxious to treat them differently?
 
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