Hmm, Flashy, I really don't understand why it is 'ironic'.
you don't find there to be any irony in the fact that a major terrorist attack was broken up on the day that the president and the former vice president are giving competing, back to back, speeches on closing a prison that houses terrorists?
you may in fact be the most difficult to please in the category of "proof of irony" in the history of the world, sparky :wink:
That notwithstanding, why does a successful FBI sting against 'American' extremists (apparently duped by a fake Stinger missile) show that we need a prison outside of US jurisdiction to hold and torture 'enemy combatants'?
I did not say that we needed the prison to torture enemy combatants. But we do need one to hold them.
However, each of these men (except the Haitian) converted to Islam in a United States prison, then, came out hell bent on planning and conducting terror attacks...
it stands to reason, that taking radical, islamic terror masterminds, or even mid-level terrorists and placing them in US prisons, with a criminal element of a large bunch of angry, easily persuaded, islamic converts in US prisons, might be a bit of an unhealthy prospect for the future, considering those criminals will eventually get out of prison, even if the masterminds do not.
Let's take your statement on face value. Does this mean any suspected terrorist (foreign or American) should be shipped to Gitmo?
Any non-american citizen, who is in fact a terrorist, affiliated with known terror groups, who plan attacks against our country, should be sent to Gitmo.
American citizens cannot be, since they have certain rights as american citizens.
you know that.
Timothy McVeigh would not be shipped to Gitmo once it opened if he was alive today.
You should have more faith in the US criminal justice system, in my opinion, and not turn to extra-legal prisons and courts.
I do not have much faith in the US Criminal Justice System in general...and i have even less faith over the prospects of turning non-us citizens who are engaged in terrorism over to it.
Combine that with the fact that the Pentagon recently released a report that stated that it estimated roughly 1 in 7 prisoners already released from Gitmo during the last few years, returned to their countries and plotted or engaged in attacks against the US
Would you like to be President Obama, if a Gitmo detainee, who is released on his watch into the US after prison in the US, detonates a car bomb at a high school in Michigan, killing 50 kids?
You are not taking into account that if Obama puts detainees on trial in federal court or some new type of military court procedure for Gitmo that is a little less military and a bit more like US civil or criminal court, and just one guy gets acquitted, or a mistrial, and is freed, is Obama going to just let him walk right out into the US?
Gitmo can be monitored and supervised to insure that nothing that violates the detainees rights occurs, but IMO, and in the opinions of most of those in congress, republican and democrat, the premise of bringing them here from Gitmo is a proposal that is D.O.A.
even the most liberal senator or congressman, is petrified at the premise of any one of these people being housed in their state, and if you want to take that to the voters and justify it...well...you can figure that one out...
I do not know *ANYONE* that could look at their constituents and not feel very uncomfortable having to inform them that you, as their representative, believed it was imperative to bring Al Qaieda detainees, from Gitmo, to the prison in your district or state.
