4 Terrorists try to blow up Temple in New York

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  1. Flashy

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    in a twist of irony...

    Obama is giving a speech in 1 hour and 15 minutes on his plan to close Gitmo and bring detainees to the USA...

    couldn't have picked a worse time for this to happen

    and in another twist of irony, Cheney is giving the rebuttal in two hours.


    Doubtless, everyone will say Cheney orchestrated this :rolleyes:


    frankly, this could not form a more perfect example of why Gitmo should be left open.

    thankfully, the senate measure had overwhelming bipartisan support, passing 90-6
     
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    couldn't agree more.
     
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    Hmm, Flashy, I really don't understand why it is 'ironic'.

    That notwithstanding, why does a successful FBI sting against 'American' extremists (apparently duped by a fake Stinger missile) show that we need a prison outside of US jurisdiction to hold and torture 'enemy combatants'?

    Let's take your statement on face value. Does this mean any suspected terrorist (foreign or American) should be shipped to Gitmo?

    You should have more faith in the US criminal justice system, in my opinion, and not turn to extra-legal prisons and courts.
     
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    oh my god such irony..greeeeeezzzzz get a grip, gay guys got nothing on you do they girlz/
     
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    Geez, Sparks.

    How do you think terrorists will fare in US prisons?
     
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    Well they met there and planned their operation there, so maybe they will be able to convert some more losers.
     
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    yep
     
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    They will probably be killed by other inmates, as some will probably view the terrorists to be as low on the totem pole as child rapists. You know, if we REALLY had to think about the ugly truth about people's behavior in the prison system.

    But to get back to my point... I feel it necessary to post these couple of links right now. Many people like to look at Islam and talk about how violent & barbaric their religion is, ignoring the fact that Christianity has had its share as well. Even if they don't do suicide bomber missions or hijack planes, some do find it to be the second most violent religion in the world... right next to Islam.

    http://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1001&context=boardman
    Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The world's most bloodiest conflicts and struggles circulate around Religion and the extremists who exploit it for power. The people on both sides seem to think they have a right to take out the other, all in the name of God, Allah or whomever. Kinda ironic that it's only the crazy people who can ignore the violent actions of their own religious extremists and look at another as the problem. Keep in mind, I'm in no shape or form a "terrorist supporter" or someone who favors Islam. I'm also a Christian, being baptized upon request of my father when I was very young. But with the way most "Christians" have viewed and chastised me just because I'm gay I feel as if I don't have much in common with todays image of a "holy person". Because of this, they don't need me as a head count for their causes, NOR do they need my money.

    When does it all end, people?
     
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    Flashy, You are Right on .. changed the whole Gitmo ?? when this surfaced. Next few hours will be interesting.
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    How do you know that it was just ironic? The bombs came from the FBI informant, so the FBI had control over when the fake bombs were to be given to the budding terrorists. All of the intense portions of the investigative sting took place in the last 8 weeks or so...

    These guys have a potential to be waaaaay more guilty then a number of Guantanamo detainees though. These four were caught red handed and have evidence on top of evidence that they are guilty which is more than you can say about a number of the Guantanamo detainees.

    Something tells me that they will be have a fair trial and end up in a Supermax prison somewhere for life.

    The Guantanamo detainees need to be tried in a fair court of law.

    Detaining people indefinitely without a trial is flat out wrong. If they are guilty, then find them guilty... it shouldn't be that hard.

    250 out of the 750 have already been released.

    All of this Guantanamo Bay hysteria is based on the release of ethnic Uighurs (Weegers) who were training to fight for independence from the Chinese government in Xinjiang province. We can't send them back to China and now there is hysteria whipping up for their release in the U.S.

    I guess we need to build a secured labor camp for the innocent detainees who are to be released, barbed wire and all. They could have a fairly normal life there.

    Of course the Uighurs are terrorists of a sort though and are a threat to our banker China... so I understand the hysteria and why little to no Democrats could vote to put them in their state.

    Closing Guantanamo Bay is just a feel good slogan that has no basis in reality. The detainees need to be not beat on a regular basis and the torture has to stop. They also need fair trials. I like my work camp idea... the ones that we find to be not guilty will feel like they are in the army not prison, which is an improvement in my book.

    This new arrest solidifies my position that anti-terrorism is a police action and has nothing to do with large scale wars.

    We catch home grown terrorists with FBI and police officers. The whole "fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" argument is total shit and a bold faced lie.
     
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    The fear in these posts is disheartening. We don't know very much about the four individuals from Newburg, but they do not seem like hardened Jihadists. US prisons hold some very dangerous criminals, and I don't see any of these individuals, or even the worst Gitmo detainees as any more dangerous than people who have actually carried out terrible crimes.

    I guess it's the Eagle Scout in me -- capture alleged criminals, try them in a court with the normal safeguards for *everyone's* civil rights, send them to prison when convicted. I think this is one of the things that makes this country great -- the same system for white, brown, christian, muslim, US citizen, legal resident, thief, or terrorist.

    I just won't be so fearful that I will engage in blood lust.

    BTW, Flashy, the comment about irony was this -- every day the President deals with national security issues, and the fact that there was a law enforcement event can be aligned with many so-called 'ironies'. I think a lot of people see connections (and as you said conspiracies) when things happen coincidentally. I think this is akin to people in the Middle Ages reading signs from a solar eclipse.

    It was also ironic that I took a cab to work today, *just as I did the morning of 9-11*!! Be afraid!
     
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    probably a fake operation by the fbi for the nut cases of America.
     
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    It is scary that there are home-grown terrorists in America.
     
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    when you are sitting in jail, its easy to be manipulated by these religious fanatics.

    Its like a virus...that's why Obamadouche is backpedaling on Gitmo.
     
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    there have always been though...

    frankly, it is rather miraculous there aren't more...

    with guys like Timothy McVeigh, frankly, i am shocked there are not more loonies like him...though i am grateful there aren't more.
     
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    All those horny virgins in paradise, gagging for a bit of prison cock, must be pissed the 'masterplan' didn't work.
     
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    They ran out of virgins some time ago - didn't you see that cartoon?
     
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