5 things women want in a man

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Maybe women want a guy that they like and love, and what one woman is willing to spend her life with is not what another woman will spend her life with. Sometimes you look at a couple and say, "I have no idea what she sees in him," but she sees what she wants and wants what she sees.

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Maybe women want a guy that they like and love, and what one woman is willing to spend her life with is not what another woman will spend her life with. Sometimes you look at a couple and say, "I have no idea what she sees in him," but she sees what she wants and wants what she sees.

Pithy, I know. :neutral:
Thank goodness we don’t all see the same thing in all men. There’d be one man with every woman after him! It’s that undefined something that puts a couple together.

I could make a list of things I want in a man, but you know what happens when you make a plan. God laughs. I’ll know it when I see it. When I feel it. The older I get, the less important a “list” becomes.
 

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Thank goodness we don’t all see the same thing in all men. There’d be one man with every woman after him! It’s that undefined something that puts a couple together.

I could make a list of things I want in a man, but you know what happens when you make a plan. God laughs. I’ll know it when I see it. When I feel it. The older I get, the less important a “list” becomes.

I think there's a Yiddish proverb like that: "Shhh...if God knew we were happy he'd do something about it."
 
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Can we all remember that he does not come from a loving, stable, drama-free background? I mean, unless I'm remembering incorrectly, his mother and sister are narcissistic, manipulative, and emotionally abusive. Anyone else remember when he used to talk about them? I have zero memories of him ever mentioning his own father. (I do remember when he posted his face. Nice enough face. Definitely no Adonis, though.) Doesn't that, by his own definition, make him an undesirable?

I never addressed the criminal history assertions, and I want to, because I'm involved with an ex-con.

His crimes were sometimes violent. He said something once that was so subtle I can't even remember it, but it gave me the impression he had been in some kind of institutional situation, but had not succumed to an institutionalized mindset upon release. I am legally married to someone with a TS, and my actions and associations can negatively impact his ability to maintain the clearances he needs to do his job. So, I snooped in this dude's house and used what I could find to have a background check run on him without his knowledge or consent. I could not ignore what I found. I wasn't completely surprised either. With me he is gentle, affectionate, loving. But I've long had the impression that it wouldn't be difficult to provoke him to violence. A threat to me, or to his son would do the trick, for example.

He was never convicted of his violent crimes. I saw that there had been charges, but no trials. I still don't know why they never went to trial. I saw assaults, some batteries, but his convictions were all related to burglaries. He stole a lot of jewelry and cash, and was armed, but didn't hurt anyone in the process. He got caught with tools while prowling, and subsequent warrants lead to the discovery of items not yet fenced. He spent six years in prison.

While he was in, he missed all of his child support payments. This impacts his ability to get most kinds of state licenses, and he cannot get a passport. This limited his opportunities. He was determined never to inflict injustice upon others again, and never to return to prison, but it is awful hard for felons to pay their bills legally. He does though. He figured out what he could do without a background check, and went into business for himself. He taught himself to cut hair, and challenged the licensing exam without going to barber school. He is presently certified as a Master Barber, which grants him license to teach others. He's still renting space in a shop, but he's pretty close to having what he needs to open his own. It'll be nice, too, from the ideas he's bounced off of me. He has poor credit, and so has to use investors, but he's been flipping houses. It would be more profitable if he had cheaper financing. His bills are paid, his son is well provided for, and he's just focused on the dream. He wants to take his son to another country. He needs to finish digging out from under that back child-support.

So. Why have I chosen to still associate with him? I like the way he thinks. He's excellent at abstract thought, and this leads to creative problem solving you have to witness to believe. He flouts convention. Sure, that's most of what got him into trouble in the first place. But it makes him unstoppable. If he wants to do something, no one can convince him it can't be done. This thinking often reveals to him opportunities that others would miss. He runs with every idea, too, which is counter-intuitive to me. I suggested focus. Somehow he keeps everything running. His company cuts hair, does nails, flips houses, and sells juice and herbal supplements. I believe he is on track to fully, and legally, claim the life he wants.

For now, we are dating. I date him and someone else. He was also dating others, but I think I'm the only one right now. I'm never any drama. He cannot afford to associate with dramatic women, he told me. I also won't tolerate any bullshit, as he learned early on. I don't think he was used to that kind of pushback.

I'm not trying to life him up. For now. He's not my favorite of the two I see. I do really like him as a man, I cherish his friendship, and the sex is incredible. I don't hold the past against him, because he transcends it daily, and he was immediately candid with me about everything when I asked. He had no way of knowing I knew everything, and he was honest with me. I confessed that I had violated his privacy, and he forgave me. I really wanted to wake up next to him this morning, but I have a hard day ahead, and chose not to see anyone last night. He's so nice to wake up to. He gives sweet, sleepy affection until I get up, then, when I'm leaving, he wraps up in a blanket and kisses me all the way to my car. Goofball.

Sometimes instability and mistakes in the past form a foundation for stability by creating clarity, and a desire to never revisit the horrors of the past.
I get the feeling that if this guy hadn't been honest with you when you discussed it, you probably wouldn't be with him, at least not on the reg. What is appealing about how you've described him is that he has owned his mistakes and learned from them. AND he hasn't used his difficulty with traditional employment as an excuse to shirk his responsibilities to his son OR go back to burglaries.

I'd have a really hard time giving this guy a chance... I know that about me... I come from a law enforcement family/background, so it's kind of a big deal to me. I also realize that I may potentially miss out on a great guy who just happened to make poor choices in his past. I think if I got to know someone and thought they were honorable in their current life and found out they had a checkered past but had learned from it, I might be able to, but I think I'd still struggle with it.

Thanks for sharing your insight. Yet another time that the fine people of LPSG challenge me to examine my opinions.
 

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Good for you. None if is can change our past. And it's great that you let it live where it belongs in the past.

It speaks volumes for his character that he was honest about it with you. I've tried to live my life not judging people for their past or their current circumstances.
We all make mistakes and have a past.
Again good for you. Sounds like he's a great guy.
He's a good man today. He was not always a good man, but I didn't meet that guy he used to be. What matters to me is the way he lives now.

We had some trust issues, but I have found that he has nearly always been honest with me, even when I thought he was lying. Early on, I caught him fudging the truth, little omissions or stretches. I let him hang himself with those until I was done and let him know that I knew the whole truth every time he gave me a half truth. It negatively impacted my ability to believe him for a while, but he was patient and constant, and most importantly, honest while he respectfully gave me time to trust him again. He respects that because of that, I'll sometimes need him to prove himself. He doesn't like it, but he remains honest, and waits for me to catch up.

Because I have been consistently as honest as I am clever, he says he'll never be able to be even a little dishonest with me again. We shall see. He's told me the truth, even when it meant I wouldn't see him until he changed something, even when it hurt. He says he never really valued being completely open with women before, but that through his experience with me he's learned that it is more freeing than he thought it could be. He says the reason he was able to learn that is I was the first woman with whom he ever felt badly about hiding anything.

Neither of us is trying to make the relationship anything other than what's is. We're always friends, sometimes business associates, and we often have sex. We have learned to meet publicly to discuss business, or we get distracted and just have sex. I'm glad I met him. He has rejuvenated my imagination, and fine-tuned the position of my rudder. His presence isn't always easy, but it has generally been a boon.
 
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I get the feeling that if this guy hadn't been honest with you when you discussed it, you probably wouldn't be with him, at least not on the reg.
If he had hidden absolutely ANYTHING I learned from his background check, I would have ghosted him. He did not yet know the correct spelling of my name, what my car looked like, or where I lived. I simply would have blocked his number and vanished. He told me about situations that weren't even in his jacket, either because he wasn't caught, or juvenile records were sealed.

What is appealing about how you've described him is that he has owned his mistakes and learned from them. AND he hasn't used his difficulty with traditional employment as an excuse to shirk his responsibilities to his son OR go back to burglaries.
He says all that old stuff is childish, and that he understands he has a son who needs to be raised by a man, not a child, not a boorish thug. The whole time he was in prison he knew he had to change everything. Attitude, avocation, occupation, association, diet, reading material, everything. When he got out, he first went to friends looking for legit work. One of the first friends he asked for leads was a barber. Their conversation was cut off by a client. The friend was a barber. He waited fifteen minutes for his friend to take care of business, and clean up behind the haircut. He saw the client pass him $35 and a five dollar tip. He then told the friend to forget what they'd been discussing, and show him how to choose the right tools for that trade. Then he taught himself to cut hair. He's pretty good at it.

I'd have a really hard time giving this guy a chance... I know that about me... I come from a law enforcement family/background, so it's kind of a big deal to me. I also realize that I may potentially miss out on a great guy who just happened to make poor choices in his past. I think if I got to know someone and thought they were honorable in their current life and found out they had a checkered past but had learned from it, I might be able to, but I think I'd still struggle with it.

I think this is very reasonable. I also come from a law enforcement family. I totally get it. I met this dude and we bonded over a mutual interest in homeopathic remedies and raw food recipes. Our first few dates were to play pool and see live bands, but once I felt okay visiting him, I loaned him some recipe books, and our next few dates were grocery shopping and making raw meals together. He asked me if I knew about wine, which I do, and asked me to teach him how I always seem to show up for supper with the perfect bottle. Then we started getting coffee or breakfast together before work. Then movies. Stuff like that. It was all very natural and normal, and I learned that he was a barber, and an entrepreneur. We talked about how we're both really lucky people, and that the source of our luck is optimism and seeing the hidden opportunities. I got into some trouble and he happened to call me, and showed up unexpectedly to make sure I was safe. It was that night he let something slip that made me believe he might have a past. That's also when I realized he came prepared to whoop someone's ass if necessary. I had indeed been in danger not long before he arrived, but had handled it myself.

Anyway. By the time I knew about his history, we were already friends. I think that's the only way it could have gone.
 
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# 1. I think Intimacy is much more than sex or sexual attraction. What do you think ?
I think the initial attraction has to be there and with initial relationships it’s all about sex. Then as the relationship matures that’s where intimacy becomes important. A lot of times foreplay becomes more important than the sexual act. I love a creative meal (on the lite side) massage, kissing and cuddling. Sex may or may not happen. If it does happen it’s like icing on the cake.
 

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What women want in a man? Number one would be money. Period. If a female can get money then she wants money. Without money it is just a man telling her what she wants to hear because she will believe it anyway. So tell her she is pretty, hold her hand in public, laugh at her jokes, and tell her she is interesting.
 
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What women want in a man? Number one would be money. Period. If a female can get money then she wants money. Without money it is just a man telling her what she wants to hear because she will believe it anyway. So tell her she is pretty, hold her hand in public, laugh at her jokes, and tell her she is interesting.

No, women don't all want money from their partner. No, women don't all just want shit flattery. I earn my own money, buy my own things, and get more pleasure out of giving a gift than receiving one.

You are just all over the forum posting gross generalizations like they are fact, aren't you? : unamused:
 

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No, women don't all want money from their partner. No, women don't all just want shit flattery. I earn my own money, buy my own things, and get more pleasure out of giving a gift than receiving one.

You are just all over the forum posting gross generalizations like they are fact, aren't you? : unamused:
I agree. Although employed and able to cover his own expenses is expected - I’m no sugar mama. I take care of myself and have always done so. I don’t need someone else’s money and I don’t need some guy blowing smoke. I wouldn’t mind a partner who’s equal to me, who laughs with me, but I hear this kind of nonsense and I worry about what some men really know about women.

What women want in a man? Number one would be money. Period. If a female can get money then she wants money. Without money it is just a man telling her what she wants to hear because she will believe it anyway. So tell her she is pretty, hold her hand in public, laugh at her jokes, and tell her she is interesting.
 

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1. Money
2. Outlook and nice car
3. Money
4. Money
5. Big house
I have money, three houses, and a nice car. If that's all he has to offer me, isn't he redundant in my life?
What women want in a man? Number one would be money. Period. If a female can get money then she wants money. Without money it is just a man telling her what she wants to hear because she will believe it anyway. So tell her she is pretty, hold her hand in public, laugh at her jokes, and tell her she is interesting.
Ew. To be honest, I'm comfortable, not rich. Yes, even with two rental properties. That is likely to change, but right now, I'm still just lower middle class. I always have been, other than a brief period of poverty when I was first getting out on my own. I came from a middle-class family, and am trying to unlearn middle class habits and elevate my financial standing. I'm most comfortable with men who are you at or below my tax bracket, with a similar family history of middle class stability. Men with fewer means tend to act like I'm emasculating them by simply being able to afford stuff. Men with too many more ends than I've got eventually do or offer something that makes me feel purchased. Still, I'm not gonna reject the rich dude just because he's got more, unless and until the day I feel bought. I'm also not going to reject the poor dude, unless I feel like he's trying to use me, or he's resentful of what luck and sacrifice have netted me.

Here's the big thing. The money isn't even real. It's the biggest hoax played on society. Everything I want from a man is real to me.
 

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What women want in a man? Number one would be money. Period. If a female can get money then she wants money. Without money it is just a man telling her what she wants to hear because she will believe it anyway. So tell her she is pretty, hold her hand in public, laugh at her jokes, and tell her she is interesting.

Full of shit statement.

If I meet a man and he's trying to buy me shit and hold my hand, fakely laugh at my jokes and lie about how "interesting" I am, that fool is getting shut the fuck down with that nonsense.

It's not as easy to manipulate women as you think. We're not all simple minded, selfish idiots who fall for your manipulative bullshit.

I make the money. He keeps me fucked. Boom.
 
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It wouldn't be possible to find a pattern if you lined up my exes, because what attracts me is a feeling, not his looks (although height is pretty consistent there is a notable exception), not his job (I have dated pretty much the full spectrum of earning potential) and I dont need anything other than that feeling because I already have a nice house and a car and an education and a good job (achieved all of that with a kid on my hip and proud of it, douche bag) and a family and friends. It's all about that connection. It's a reaction I have to *him*

Sure, there are some qualities in common; sense of humour, kindness, quiet confidence, capable, honest and a feeling of safety I associate with him (nothing to do with money or aggression fyi)

So sorry to all the maladjusts who imagine that if they can somehow harness their lack of talent and charm to net themselves their fortune and from there a woman - you can't. Sure, you might get a woman to be present if you offer her money, but she won't be yours.
 
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I'd have thought it would depend on whether they're looking for Mr Right or Mr Right Now.

I seriously doubt that there are giant differences between men or women in what is sought in a relationship.

Mr (or Miss) Right Now: face, body, sexual attributes
Mr Right: Mental stability, Financial stability, Kindness & Consideration, Intellectual compatibility, "Mr Right Now" package. How each individual balances these components and where the red lines are in each of those factors is really up to them.

Could I be with a grade-A bastard, someone to whom I would have to explain everything, someone in permanent financial difficulty, someone volatile or someone unshapely and ugly? In short, no, they're all deal breakers.

So who is Mr Right? Someone who you can talk to, someone who's interested in your life, someone who's not a financial burden, someone who's considerate, someone you could be seen with in public, someone who you'd present to your friends and family and obviously someone who's sexually compatible.

I wouldn't have thought that money is the be all and end all for most people. Does money buy happiness? No, but it helps, and an extreme lack of it brings stress which is pretty toxic for any relationship.

Just a thought.
 
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