60,000,000 refugees and growing

[Perados]

Greece:
Should the Balkan nations really close their borders for the refugees who try to make it from Greece to north/central Europe, Greece will block every EU desition.

It sounds hard but in reality it's stupid... they would block every option to find a solution for this crisis and get themself in a even worse position. (Also are some Balkan nations not a member of the EU, so why should they care?)
But it also shows how desperate Greece is, they are in no way able to care for the refugees all alone.

We need a EU solution now.

 

[rbkwp]

so much for the European learders,they all make me entirely sick, havent got a brain between them to come up with a resolution .. so much for the power and authority you wield
good bloody job,suffer you b..........s ..

Greece:
Should the Balkan nations really close their borders for the refugees who try to make it from Greece

feel so sorry for Greece apparently the first port of call for the migrants,on that route
Eu should have been giving them far more assistance, not just throwing a few billion to Turkey for them to try and stem the flow
either way the migrants are going to hit those Grecican shores

still not late for the Eu to help Greece, the country thats done more for the migrants, unbegrudgingly, apartr from Germany
still going on, no such thing as the truce taking place
Syrian refugee/new wave of mainly women/children
GOOGLE

Displaced Syrians wary of proposed ceasefire

Published on Feb 26, 2016
The United Nations says it hopes a pause in the fighting in Syria will allow crucial aid supplies in and lead to a political solution. But those displaced inside Syria are weary of international efforts to end the war. Omar Al Saleh reports from Gaziantep in southern Turkey.

 

[marinera]

No not frustrated... why should I? Till now you only show that I don't have to take you serious

Guys like you showed up before you and there will be guys who disappear after you did.

I just don't waste my time with someone who isn't willing to read and think, and will stop posting in a few days anyway

Yawn.

 

[marinera]

UNHCR concerned by build up along borders and additional hardships for refugees and asylum seekers
Press Releases, 23 February 2016

UNHCR is concerned by recent restrictive practices adopted in a number of European countries that are placing additional undue hardships on refugees and asylum-seekers across Europe, creating chaos at several border points, and putting particular pressure on Greece as it struggles to deal with larger numbers of people in need of accommodation and services.

On 17 February, Austria announced it would place a daily limit of 3,200 people to enter its territory and only accept 80 new asylum applications per day. Slovenia followed suit and announced a similar cap to restrict movements across its borders. These newest restrictive measures risk violating EU law and undermine efforts for a comprehensive and coordinated approach to deal with the refugee and migrant crisis in Europe.

In addition, on 18 February, the Heads of Police Services of Austria, Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia and the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia issued a statement announcing their agreement to jointly profile and register refugees and asylum-seekers at the border between the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia and Greece, as well as take a number of additional actions to manage the situation.

While coordinated action can help the management of the mixed migration movement, the statement has been interpreted differently by countries resulting in increased protection risks for refugees and asylum seekers, particularly those with specific needs, such as unaccompanied and separated children.

...............

These practices also undermine the Conclusions reached by the European Council last week recalling that to enter the European Union without adequate travel documentation, people need to apply for asylum when reaching an EU country.

The domino effect of Austria and Slovenia's daily caps and their joint approach with Croatia, Serbia and the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia has already resulted in a buildup of refugees and asylum-seekers and migrants in Greece and in the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, where nearly 700 people, mostly Afghan nationals, have been barred from accessing admission into Serbia.

.....


Some 85% of those arriving to Europe come from the top ten refugee producing countries. Most are fleeing war and persecution and in need of international protection. They risk their lives and the lives of their children fleeing the inhumanity and tragedy of conflicts and persecution in their homelands – places like Aleppo that is once again in the news. And yet, with every passing week, it appears some European countries are focusing on keeping refugees and migrants out more than on responsibly managing the flow and working on common solutions. Some States are shifting problems onward rather than trying to genuinely share responsibility and show solidarity with one another and with those in need of protection.

...
UNHCR concerned by build up along borders and additional hardships for refugees and asylum seekers

 

[rbkwp]

Starting to feel the rest of the European countries are meaning to be arseholes towards Greece
for months and months it has carried the burden of the migrant refugee problem, and the areshole other European countries have sat back

they know the predicament Greece is in anyway with its own domestic crisis
putting more pressure on them, the buggers

HUMANITARIAN CRISES
Greece isolated as stranded refugees seek passage
Despite refugee camps being fully packed in Greece, signs are eastern EU states are preparing for its total isolation.

John Psaropoulos | 26 Feb 2016 18:44 GMT | Humanitarian crises, Refugees, Greece, Europe,Syria

Greece shoiuld have got the lousy meager few billion euros, as well as Turkey

www.aljazeera.com: Greece isolated as stranded refugees seek passage

People & Power - Germany's Refugee Crisis promo

Published on Feb 26, 2016
Germany opened its arms to one million refugees in 2015 – but now attitudes are changing.

 

[Oxnard]

The whole refugee situation is sad.

Rich Muslim countries nearby either won't take refugees at all, or else take refugees under the worst possible conditions (basically only the healthy ones and only to use as slave labor), while the poor Muslim countries take in massive numbers of refugees that they can't possibly afford to feed.

Meanwhile, we in the west piss and moan about taking in a few thousand or a few tens of thousands.

Those rich Muslim countries are deliberately manipulating things in the troubled areas for their own political benefit and won't take refugees (or only take a pittance). Many of our western nations are also stirring the pot over there and we're not taking nearly enough.

Yes, there are a large number of problems that come with accepting large numbers of refugees. Every single time America did, we got an increase in crime, increase in poverty, and of course the fun little bits of culture clash that inevitably happen, but no matter how much Americans complained about incoming Irish or Italians or Poles or whatever, in the long run the benefits far outweighed the costs to our nation.

Why do we have to go through this same stupid argument with each other yet again? It's so stupid.

 

[marinera]

.....
Yes, there are a large number of problems that come with accepting large numbers of refugees. Every single time America did, we got an increase in crime....,

I know you said that without any bad intentions, but I have to correct you here buddy

The Mythical Connection Between Immigrants and Crime

Newcomers to the U.S. are less likely than the native population to commit violent crimes or be incarcerated.


Is the conversation that Republicans want to have about immigration any more serious than the one Democrats want to have about race?

The Republican presidential field sports no shortage of individuals capable of speaking intelligently about America’s broken immigration system. Sens. Marco Rubio and Lindsey Graham have drafted legislation on the issue. Jeb Bush co-wrote an entire book on the subject. And Rick Perry ran a border state with the nation’s second-largest immigrant population for 14 years. So why is Donald Trump, whose comments about immigrants and crime are as ugly as they are uninformed, doing all the talking?

They might start by pointing out that numerous studies going back more than a century have shown that immigrants—regardless of nationality or legal status—are less likely than the native population to commit violent crimes or to be incarcerated. A new report from the Immigration Policy Center notes that while the illegal immigrant population in the U.S. more than tripled between 1990 and 2013 to more than 11.2 million, “FBI data indicate that the violent crime rate declined 48%—which included falling rates of aggravated assault, robbery, rape, and murder. Likewise, the property crime rate fell 41%, including declining rates of motor vehicle theft, larceny/robbery, and burglary.”

A separate IPC paper from 2007 explains that this is not a function of well-behaved high-skilled immigrants from India and China offsetting misdeeds of Latin American newcomers. The data show that “for every ethnic group without exception, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants,” according to the report. “This holds true especially for the Mexicans, Salvadorans, and Guatemalans who make up the bulk of the undocumented population.”

It also holds true in states with large populations of illegal residents. A 2008 report by the Public Policy Institute of California found that immigrants are underrepresented in the prison system. “The incarceration rate for foreign-born adults is 297 per 100,000 in the population, compared [with] 813 per 100,000 for U.S.-born adults,” the study concludes. “The foreign-born, who make up roughly 35% of California’s adult population, constitute 17% of the state prison population.”
.....................
www.wsj.com: The Mythical Connection Between Immigrants and Crime

 

[Oxnard]

I know you said that without any bad intentions, but I have to correct you here buddy

The Mythical Connection Between Immigrants and Crime

Newcomers to the U.S. are less likely than the native population to commit violent crimes or be incarcerated.


Is the conversation that Republicans want to have about immigration any more serious than the one Democrats want to have about race?

The Republican presidential field sports no shortage of individuals capable of speaking intelligently about America’s broken immigration system. Sens. Marco Rubio and Lindsey Graham have drafted legislation on the issue. Jeb Bush co-wrote an entire book on the subject. And Rick Perry ran a border state with the nation’s second-largest immigrant population for 14 years. So why is Donald Trump, whose comments about immigrants and crime are as ugly as they are uninformed, doing all the talking?

They might start by pointing out that numerous studies going back more than a century have shown that immigrants—regardless of nationality or legal status—are less likely than the native population to commit violent crimes or to be incarcerated. A new report from the Immigration Policy Center notes that while the illegal immigrant population in the U.S. more than tripled between 1990 and 2013 to more than 11.2 million, “FBI data indicate that the violent crime rate declined 48%—which included falling rates of aggravated assault, robbery, rape, and murder. Likewise, the property crime rate fell 41%, including declining rates of motor vehicle theft, larceny/robbery, and burglary.”

A separate IPC paper from 2007 explains that this is not a function of well-behaved high-skilled immigrants from India and China offsetting misdeeds of Latin American newcomers. The data show that “for every ethnic group without exception, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants,” according to the report. “This holds true especially for the Mexicans, Salvadorans, and Guatemalans who make up the bulk of the undocumented population.”

It also holds true in states with large populations of illegal residents. A 2008 report by the Public Policy Institute of California found that immigrants are underrepresented in the prison system. “The incarceration rate for foreign-born adults is 297 per 100,000 in the population, compared [with] 813 per 100,000 for U.S.-born adults,” the study concludes. “The foreign-born, who make up roughly 35% of California’s adult population, constitute 17% of the state prison population.”
.....................
www.wsj.com: The Mythical Connection Between Immigrants and Crime

That's a little different. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the study cited in the WSJ article focuses on "illegal" immigrants (I hate that term, there are no illegal immigrants, only illegal employers), whereas I was talking about immigration in general without regard to legal status.

Yes, illegal immigrants are pretty much the most law-abiding people within our borders. Obviously, they are terrified of drawing any attention from the police, so this should surprise no one.

 

[marinera]

Err..... no, it is about any kind of immigrants

They might start by pointing out that numerous studies going back more than a century have shown that immigrants—regardless of nationality or legal status—are less likely than the native population to commit violent crimes or to be incarcerated.

 

[Oxnard]

Thought about it some more, and my concern may be unjustified.

In the past when we got large waves of immigrants, those immigrants were concentrated in a small number of cities, and ended up in the poorest, most crowded urban neighborhoods. Worse, back then we had no social safety net, so they showed up desperately poor with no idea where their next meal was coming from.

In modern times, we spread immigrants out all across the nation, and we have social safety net programs that make sure they have a roof over their heads and food on the table (however badly), so the possible motives for crime would be much less than what we had in, say, the 1800s.

 

[Oxnard]

Err..... no, it is about any kind of immigrants

They might start by pointing out that numerous studies going back more than a century have shown that immigrants—regardless of nationality or legal status—are less likely than the native population to commit violent crimes or to be incarcerated.

Here's the abstract of the study in question:

The Myth of Immigrant Criminality and the Paradox of Assimilation | Immigration Policy Center

Because many immigrants to the United States, especially Mexicans and Central Americans, are young men who arrive with very low levels of formal education, popular stereotypes tend to associate them with higher rates of crime and incarceration. The fact that many of these immigrants enter the country through unauthorized channels or overstay their visas often is framed as an assault against the “rule of law,” thereby reinforcing the impression that immigration and criminality are linked. This association has flourished in a post-9/11 climate of fear and ignorance where terrorism and undocumented immigration often are mentioned in the same breath.

[...]

• Even as the undocumented population has doubled to 12 million since 1994, the violent crime rate in the United States has declined 34.2 percent and the property crime rate has fallen 26.4 percent.

Sounds like the study did focus on the undocumented (i.e. "illegals"... still hate that term).

 

[marinera]

Thought about it some more, and my concern may be unjustified.

In the past when we got large waves of immigrants, those immigrants were concentrated in a small number of cities, and ended up in the poorest, most crowded urban neighborhoods. Worse, back then we had no social safety net, so they showed up desperately poor with no idea where their next meal was coming from.

In modern times, we spread immigrants out all across the nation, and we have social safety net programs that make sure they have a roof over their heads and food on the table (however badly), so the possible motives for crime would be much less than what we had in, say, the 1800s.

Excellent observation. I have read other researches (not posted to avoid boredom) that actually shows that it is discrimination and socio-economic exclusion that causes higher propensity to crime in immigrates in other Countries. For that reason second generation immigarnts are more at risk to commit crimes, because they feel discriminated compared t their peers, despite being formerly citizens.

 

[Oxnard]

Excellent observation. I have read other researches (not posted to avoid boredom) that actually shows that it is discrimination and socio-economic exclusion that causes higher propensity to crime in immigrates in other Countries. For that reason second generation immigarnts are more at risk to commit crimes, because they feel discriminated compared t their peers, despite being formerly citizens.

That wouldn't surprise me.

For instance, Muslim-French seem to riot with depressing frequency, but you don't see Muslim immigrants rioting like that in other countries, including America where the anti-Muslim sentiments are much stronger. This suggests to me that the French are not treating Muslim immigrants well.

If you look at the parts of American society that are prone to riot and those that aren't, the difference seems to be how they are treated by society more than any particular socioeconomic issue.

 

[marinera]

Here's the abstract of the study in question:

The Myth of Immigrant Criminality and the Paradox of Assimilation | Immigration Policy Center



Sounds like the study did focus on the undocumented (i.e. "illegals"... still hate that term).

Nope. The original study is here
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov: The immigrant paradox: immigrants are less antisocial than native-born Americans

and the study is about both legal and illegal immigrants

Measures
Immigrant status
Respondents were queried as to whether they were born in the United States of America. Respondents who reported having been born outside the US (N = 7,320, 14.60 %) were coded as 1 and those born in the US (N = 35,622, 85.40 %) were coded as 0.

Even the abstract you linked, anyway, points out :
The problem of crime in the United States is not “caused” or even aggravated by immigrants, regardless of their legal status.

 

[Oxnard]

Nope. The original study is here
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov: The immigrant paradox: immigrants are less antisocial than native-born Americans

and the study is about both legal and illegal immigrants

Measures
Immigrant status
Respondents were queried as to whether they were born in the United States of America. Respondents who reported having been born outside the US (N = 7,320, 14.60 %) were coded as 1 and those born in the US (N = 35,622, 85.40 %) were coded as 0.

Even the abstract you linked, anyway, points out :
The problem of crime in the United States is not “caused” or even aggravated by immigrants, regardless of their legal status.

Thanks for the correction!

 

[rbkwp]

aj starting to go nuts on there refugee crisis reporting now
think theyre tiring of it all ..
GOOGLE such a short clip, hardly worth it, blaning Russia, and thats it ..
no ones bothering to admit that if Russia hadent brought its air strikes into the mix.,, the west may well have been merrily on its way to a 6th, year of the same ..

Tent city comes up along Turkey-Syria border

Published on Feb 27, 2016
Tens of thousands of Syrians have been fleeing to the Turkish border in recent weeks. Camps have been set up near the Bab al-Salaama crossing.Just a few weeks ago, the area was empty land. Now thousands of tents have been set up to accommodate tens of thousands of Syrians, many of whom blame Russian air strikes for their displacement.Al Jazeera's Jamal Elshayyal gained exclusive access to the area to file this report which takes at look at the situation inside Syria.



never ending story, never ending ..

HUMANITARIAN CRISES

Greece isolated as stranded refugees seek passage
Despite refugee camps being fully packed in Greece, signs are eastern EU states are preparing for its total isolation.

John Psaropoulos | 26 Feb 2016 18:44 GMT | Humanitarian crises, Refugees, Greece, Europe,Syri

• Mainland Greece is filling up with migrants and refugees so fast, that Ramsay had taken a government-chartered ferry to Athens along with them.
  
  
  
  Syrian refugees shout slogans during a protest march in the port of Piraeus in Athens demanding the opening of the borders [EPA]

Athens, Greece - The Facebook messages are desperate: "We are in the street. Sitting on earth. There is no place to sleep. I wish you come. When will you come here?"

Phoebe Ramsay, the Canadian volunteer receiving these messages, was on her way to find Sham, Doha and Wisam, three Syrian sisters whom she had helped on the island of Leros days before.

Mainland Greece is filling up with migrants and refugees so fast, that Ramsay had taken a government-chartered ferry to Athens along with them.

www.aljazeera.com: Greece isolated as stranded refugees seek passage


WAR & CONFLICT
The Invisible Railroad for Syrian Refugees
After days on a crowded boat crossing the Mediterranean, one Syrian refugee family strives for a new future in Austria.
01 Aug 2015 12:54 GMT | War & Conflict, Syria, Immigration, Syrian crisis, Refugees

 

[rbkwp]

you wealthy Eu cuntries
give billions in aid to Greece
dont fuck around giving a ferw billion to Turkey,a month ago
or sending your crap NATO in to to try to stop the smugglers

again
you deserve every bit of this refugee crisis

Eu
youve been F'n tite arsed with Greece ever since theyve been having there own internal problems, and its sstill carrying on, none of those other countries would have coped with this problem as well as Greece has done

you bumbling F'n idiots

Greek funding plea

Greece has asked for emergency funding from Europe to tackle the unprecedented crisis, Mouzalas said, without providing details on the amount requested.

It has asked for tents, blankets, sleeping bags, transport vehicles and ambulances among other supplies, a government official told Reuters news agency.

HUMANITARIAN CRISES
Refugee crisis: 70,000 may be stuck in Greece in March
Many fear they will not be able to continue journey as new border controls by Balkan states leave thousands trapped.

The UN is warning of a growing humanitarian challenge along Macedonia's border with Greece as up to 7,000 people fleeing war in the Middle East and beyond remain stuck there.

Tensions are high as temperatures dip and many refugees - fearing they will not be able to continue their journey - are demanding they be allowed to cross.

Four Balkans countries have announced a daily cap on how many people can pass through and Austria has restricted entry for hundreds of thousands.

Following the border shutdowns, Greece, a primary gateway to Europe, has been inundated with refugees.

People are trying to make their way to western and northern Europe, but border controls are forcing many into already overcrowded camps. Only some Iraqis and Syrians have been allowed to cross.

sad personal story, very sad

Refugees in Sweden wait in limbo for political asylum

Published on Feb 28, 2016
The small town of Broby has taken in one of the highest number of refugees per capita in all of Sweden.Local authorities say their resources are stretched, and they can't take in any more people.But as Mohammad Jamjoom reports, many refugees say they can't go home.

aj going on and on about the RRUSSIAN air strikes
ethnic cleansing may be so TBH ..
GOOGLE a better vid ..
like a true politician, change of the mindset as repots come in ..


Syrian refugees crowd border camp after air strikes

Published on Feb 27, 2016
Tens of thousands of Syrian refugees are crammed into camps near the Turkish border, displaced after intensified fighting in recent weeks. Jamal Elshayyal reports from Alsalama camp in northern Syria.

 

[rbkwp]

criminal
and yet when the Balkan states were in strife themsedlves, much world help and sympathy was afforded them ..

Refugees pay for false promises to enter Macedonia

Published on Feb 28, 2016
New restrictions on which refugees can cross from Greece into Macedonia have caused problems at border crossings.Afghan and North African refugees have been told they cannot cross, and now many are falling prey to people smugglers.Hoda Abdel Hamid reports from the Greek-Macedonian border.

 

[Oxnard]

For those who oppose accepting refugees:

1. Where exactly do you expect the excess refugees to go?
2. What are you doing to stabilize their homeland so that they can go back?

 

[rbkwp]

FRANCE
doing its terrorisim act thats its good at when it gets in the mood
( bombing of the Greenpeace Rainbo Warrior in NZ waters)

and this after Hollande 2 monnths ago was shooting around the world, trying to get sympathy
'Poor Paris has been attacked, a 2nd time?'

Children Tear-Gassed In 'Jungle' Demolition
The "inhumane treatment" of the migrants is lambasted by a Tory MP, who witnessed the mass evictions from the camp.

The "inhumane treatment" of the migrants is lambasted by a Tory MP, who witnessed the mass evictions from the camp.

news.sky.com: Children Tear-Gassed In 'Jungle' Demolition

GOOGLE even more critical than other reports
geesus

Syria's War: Inside the Al Salama Camp

While there may be a lull in fighting but life has hardly changed for the millions of Syrian refugees - and those who are internally displaced.

Jamal El Shayyal has gained exclusive access to a refugee camp near the Bab al Salama crossing.

Inside Story - Can Greece cope with the refugee crisis?

Published on Feb 29, 2016
More than 100,000 refugees and migrants have arrived in Greece in the first two months of this year.

Many hoping to travel further across Europe are struggling to make that dream a reality.

Now their journey has become more difficult.

Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia have announced they will accept fewer than 600 migrants and refugees a day. Austria will take only 80 asylum seekers daily.

So the burden on Greece weighs more heavily than ever before.

The growing humanitarian crisis complicates an already fragile economic situation, as many Greeks struggle with years of austerity.

Austria's refusal to accept more refugees is damaging relations with Greek government leaders.

So, what's the impact on European relations? And can the EU help?

Presenter: Jane Dutton

Guests:

Karl Kopp - Director for European Affairs of the human rights organisation Pro Asyl

Gerald Knaus - Chairman of the European Stability Initiative

Florian Hartleb - Political Scientist researching Europe's security crisis