60,000,000 refugees and growing

[Perados]

Lets build fences... they work

Migrants break down Macedonia fence on Greek border - BBC News


NOT

 

[Perados]

Lets build fences... they work

Migrants break down Macedonia fence on Greek border - BBC News


NOT

 

[rbkwp]

everyday they stay, is beyond the welcome they never hadf

~ ay reporter

GOOGLE

Athens square becomes temporary camp as refugees are stranded

Published on Feb 29, 2016
The Greek government is warning that up to 70,000 refugees could soon be stranded in Greece. It says it's considering bringing in the army to deal with the situation. Mohammed Adow reports from Athens, where thousands continue to arrive, only to be stranded.

Police Use Tear Gas At Greece-Macedonia Border
After days being stuck with little food or shelter, hundreds of migrants break through a gate in the hope of reaching the Balkans.

news.sky.com: Police Use Tear Gas At Greece-Macedonia Border

Video: Migrants Plead To Be Let Through


Galleryart Of Calais 'Jungle' Demolished

18:46, UK, Monday 29 February 2016

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   A migrant walks past a burning makeshift shelter set ablaze in protest against the partial dismantlement of the camp for migrants called the "jungle", in Calais, northern France

news.sky.com: Part Of Calais 'Jungle' Demolished

 

[Oxnard]

What exactly is Turkey doing or not doing with regards to the refugee crisis? About the only time I see mention of Turkey in the American media is when they talk about the latest horror going on with the Kurds.

 

[rbkwp]

Refugees hope to find employment at Berlin job fair

Published on Mar 1, 2016
Germany is a top destination for thousands of people fleeing Syria's war.More than a million refugees have settled there in the past year where many are hoping to find work.Dominic Kane has more from a jobs fair in Berlin.

the infamous clever Eu granted Turney 3 billion odd to 'prevent' the reufgee migrants from making the crossing
hasent made the slightest difference
admittedly they do have a couple of million Syrians, in there care, apparently?

 

[rbkwp]

not surprising whats new
a 100-000 and the world as in the Eu, may take notice, talk shit for months, and finally come up with something like
'theyre starving'

27,000 Syrian refugees stranded near Jordanian border

AMMAN, Jordan — Amman is blocking approximately 27,000 Syrian refugees from leaving a Jordanian desert area near the country’s northeast border, an international aid official citing Jordanian border guards told Al-Monitor. The number of Syrian refugees in Rukban and Hadalat is significantly higher than the number the Associated Press reported earlier.

Summary⎙ Print A senior European diplomat has criticized Amman for leaving Syrian refugees stranded "indefinitely" near Jordanian-Syrian border.
Author Aaron MagidPosted February 29, 2016
One European diplomat called the conditions at the border “horrific” and “brutal” in a conversation with Al-Monitor. At least 10 Syrian refugees have died, including two infants during birth, said another European official based in Jordan.

Each of the officials Al-Monitor spoke with for this article requested anonymity due to the sensitive nature of this situation and concern for upsetting the Jordanian government. One individual feared that Amman would not renew his visa, while an international aid official said that Jordan could delay humanitarian assistance to refugees for their publicly speaking to the media about their plight in the "berm" — the name used by humanitarian organizations for this area near the Syrian-Jordanian border.

Read more: 27,000 Syrian refugees stranded near Jordanian border - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

 

[rbkwp]

Q of people endless

Thousands of refugees stranded on Greece-Macedonia border

Published on Mar 1, 2016
The European Union is planning to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on aid to alleviate the refugee crisis.

It follows a warning from the UN that there's a humanitarian crisis developing at the Greece-Macedonia border, where the buildup of refugees continues.

Hoda Abdel Hamid reports from the town of Idomeni, where more than 8,000 people are stranded.

Somalis
African refugees complaing theyre not getting any leeway compared to other reugees, oh my ..
GOOGLE

African refugees complain of discrimination in Europe

Published on Mar 2, 2016
Many of those migrants blocked at the border say they are being classified into two different groups.
They fear that European governments are giving preferential treatment to refugees from Iraq and Syria and are ignoring those fleeing conflict elsewhere.

French perspective on the dismantling of ''the jungle' in Calais
well maybe, maybe a sensible ish move ..

Demolition of France's 'Jungle camp' continues

Published on Mar 1, 2016
In the French port city of Calais, police continue to bulldoze the southern part of the makeshift refugee camp known as "The Jungle". France wants just 2,000 people to remain there - but campaigners say the evictions are a step backwards. Paul Brennan reports from Calais

 

[rbkwp]

e n tire Eu trusts TURKEY implicitly
whats the problem ..

Turkey 'acting illegally' over Syria refugees deportations
By Mark LowenBBC Turkey correspondent
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Media captionThe BBC team met Ahmad at Tekirday detention camp

"We're here to visit one of your inmates," we said. The guards took our names - but not our professions. Journalists are not allowed inside detention centres, so we went undercover.

Turkey 'acting illegally' over Syria refugees deportations - BBC News

 

[Perados]

Looks like Turkey has its very own agenda...
Take some billions, promise to stop the refugees but do the opposite

en.168.am: Turkey Blocks NATO Ships from Entering its Territorial Waters


Reminds me of where Turkey refused US airplanes (NATO jets) to use Turkish Airport to attack IS. At the same time they delivered weapons to IS

 

[Perados]

Refugees hope to find employment at Berlin job fair

Published on Mar 1, 2016
Germany is a top destination for thousands of people fleeing Syria's war.More than a million refugees have settled there in the past year where many are hoping to find work.Dominic Kane has more from a jobs fair in Berlin.

the infamous clever Eu granted Turney 3 billion odd to 'prevent' the reufgee migrants from making the crossing
hasent made the slightest difference
admittedly they do have a couple of million Syrians, in there care, apparently?

German employment agency:
It's easy for the German economy to integrate 350.000 refugees a year.

So, if only families with a father, mother and 2.5 kids (in average) arrive and only ONE parent works, Germany could care for more than 1.5 million refugees and offer all of them a selfdeterminated life.

And now expect that we can handle 10% of unemployed refugees, we are close to 2 million refugees

 

[Jason]

Eurostat's asylum statistics for the year to May 2015 suggests that "around 75%" of adults seeking asylum are men, and among minors about 84% are boys. I'm not sure that there are more recent figures. However media (eg BBC) are reporting that migrants through Greece are "overwhelmingly" male. I suggest the reality is that this is predominantly a migration of young men. Few have skills that readily lead to jobs in European nations and few have adequate language skills. So far the overwhelming majority are unemployed, and it is hard to see that they are not going to be long-term unemployed.

Germany's migrants last year and this will be something in excess of 1.5m young men. If Germany can absorb these into the labour market, great. Presumably wages need to fall (throughout the German labour force) or the economy needs to grow substantially. I don't actually see either happening.

A past age would recruit them into the male migrants into an army, train them, and pack them off to Syria to fight against the brutal regime and the extremists. An army of 1m probably could bring order to Syria.

 

[rbkwp]

thanksmpera for the extra information,always interesting
i had heard so much about Turkey i was suspicious from the start,but i suppose they had no better options but to take them in as there saviour,the Eus saviour not the refugees
even tho Turkey has 2.kids apparently,but hoe could they with such numbers huh

many many Iraqis returning nome, never worked out SAD for them, disrupted life fornyears huh
GOOGLE very good clip but sad

232 viewsDisappointed Iraqi refugees return home from Europe

Published on Mar 3, 2016
A new life in Europe is a dream that many refugees from conflict-torn countries are chasing.

But for some, discrimination and long processing times have prompted over three thousand-Iraqis to give up on that dream and go back hom

a VICE report so suspect as to contentr but,
even if partially correct well ..

The Anti-Immigrant 'Soldiers of Odin' Are Expanding Across Europe

March 3, 2016 | 1:35 am
The Soldiers of Odin, a far-right vigilante group whose members have patrolled streets in Finland saying they want to protect locals from immigrants, have started spreading to other Nordic and Baltic countries, worrying authorities.

Named after the king of the gods in Norse mythology, the self-proclaimed patriots say they want to be the eyes and ears for the police who they say are struggling to fulfill their duties. But critics say they are jumping on the back of Europe's migration crisis to propagate a racist and dangerous agenda.

The Anti-Immigrant 'Soldiers of Odin' Are Expanding Across Europe | VICE News


So far the overwhelming majority are unemployed, and it is hard to see that they are not going to be long-term unemployed.


unfortunate re the unemployment, but its rife almost everywhere as we know

but, all plaidits to the men and boys who have set out on that quest to at least hopefully find employment somewhere, and provide for themseles/family huh

 

[Perados]

Eurostat's asylum statistics for the year to May 2015 suggests that "around 75%" of adults seeking asylum are men, and among minors about 84% are boys. I'm not sure that there are more recent figures. However media (eg BBC) are reporting that migrants through Greece are "overwhelmingly" male. I suggest the reality is that this is predominantly a migration of young men. Few have skills that readily lead to jobs in European nations and few have adequate language skills. So far the overwhelming majority are unemployed, and it is hard to see that they are not going to be long-term unemployed.

Sure they are males... they are stronger and more likely to make it to Europe.
As soon as they made it, they want a family reunification. Thats why it's likely that the numbers of females and children will increase in 2016.

And skills can be teached

Germany's migrants last year and this will be something in excess of 1.5m young men. If Germany can absorb these into the labour market, great. Presumably wages need to fall (throughout the German labour force) or the economy needs to grow substantially. I don't actually see either happening.

There is no reason for falling wages

A past age would recruit them into the male migrants into an army, train them, and pack them off to Syria to fight against the brutal regime and the extremists. An army of 1m probably could bring order to Syria.

The question is, what kind of order.

 

[Jason]

There is no reason for falling wages

Forgive me for being something of a classical economist, but there is a general principle that an increase in supply leads to a reduction in price, all other things being equal. An increase in the supply of labour will lead to a reduction in its price, falling wages.

Maybe demand for goods and services will go up so that the excess supply of labour can be absorbed without a fall in wages. Great if it can happen - but unlikely. Maybe tax can fall so that employers can afford more workers. Maybe the government can borrow lots of money and the markets will not get anxious.

There is every reason to expect falling wages. It is possible to think of ways to avoid this, but they are all unlikely.

 

[Jason]

And skills can be teached.

Of course. But it takes time. Most jobs need a reasonable language ability and this takes time. Specific job skills can certainly be taught. Much harder are the soft skills of the values of a society, and the people skills of interacting with people within a culture. Certainly skills can be taught but not quickly. There are costs.

 

[Jason]

The question is, what kind of order.

Good point. Probably different answers for different areas. The Kurds are creating an order which is at least a starting point on which a better society might be built. Turkish and Saudi areas of influence (and rule) might be a possibility for much of the east, the present Daish/ISIS area, so an occupied territory. For most of the rest I would settle for a relatively benign dictatorship, with Russia kicked out.

 

[Perados]

Q

Forgive me for being something of a classical economist, but there is a general principle that an increase in supply leads to a reduction in price, all other things being equal. An increase in the supply of labour will lead to a reduction in its price, falling wages.

no, not necessary...
You could also increase unemployment, or create a minimum wages or you simply have a strong labour union.

Maybe demand for goods and services will go up so that the excess supply of labour can be absorbed without a fall in wages. Great if it can happen - but unlikely. Maybe tax can fall so that employers can afford more workers. Maybe the government can borrow lots of money and the markets will not get anxious.

yes, even more options to keep the wages high

There is every reason to expect falling wages. It is possible to think of ways to avoid this, but they are all unlikely.

Germany has a quite strong labour union. It's unlikely that wages for jobs with average or high education will go down.
At the same time do we have a minimum wages, this will prevent lower wages for no- or low education jobs.


The most likely outcome will be a slower increase of wages - after an increase of 3% - 5% above the productivity in the past years, a slower increase would be good for the competitiveness for Germany.

 

[Perados]

Of course. But it takes time. Most jobs need a reasonable language ability and this takes time. Specific job skills can certainly be taught. Much harder are the soft skills of the values of a society, and the people skills of interacting with people within a culture. Certainly skills can be taught but not quickly. There are costs.

Yes there are costs...

And most reliable people say that till 2025 we will have more costs than benefits, but past 2025 the total benefits will start to outgrow the cost of the years before.



Btw. Something very positive for Germany.
By 2026 the demographic change will hit Germany - migration will help us to solve it

 

[Perados]

Good point. Probably different answers for different areas. The Kurds are creating an order which is at least a starting point on which a better society might be built. Turkish and Saudi areas of influence (and rule) might be a possibility for much of the east, the present Daish/ISIS area, so an occupied territory. For most of the rest I would settle for a relatively benign dictatorship, with Russia kicked out.

And where do you want to put the 1 million army?

Should they fight for Saudi Arabia, the Kurds or for Russia? And how would you convince them to fight for them?

 

[Perados]

Even more interesting is the question, what happens the time after IS?
How do you define the exact areas of influence?

I guess Russia/Assad will demand territory Saudi Arabia/Turkey claim for them. At the same time will Saudi Arabia demand territory from the Kurds and Turkey won't be willing to accept any autonomous Kurd territory...
And where should the 1 million army fight for?