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Any reasonable sane human being simply doesn't for ever increasingly obvious reasons invite a stranger into their home and offer shelter to them with the knowledge that the stranger intend to force the owner themselves out into the streets and claim the home as their own that is if the stranger hasn't already burned it down in a fit of rage over the disgust they feel for the person who offered aide to them. Insisting that you by not being Muslim "provoked" them to behave so.. I mean that is way beyond the definition of irrationally insane hatred?!!!!!
 
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We need only study the unaltered events of history for the past 1500+ years in order to gauge the intention of traditional Islamic beliefs. A vast majority of good peaceful Muslims are very decent nonviolent law abiding people that wish only to live in peace with others care for and love their families," regular" member's of humanity. However accurate studying of history shows that all these many followers of this religion are in fact very out of step with the Faith in which they profess belief. The original and true practice of this "religion of peace" is a different story,
 

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Gatestone Institutue is characterized as antiIslamic. and its president as as the “sugar mama of anti-Muslim hate”. A report by the Center for American Progress found that through a philanthropic foundation, Rosenwald (the president of Gatestone) and her family have donated more than $2.8 million since 2000 to “organisations that fan the flames of Islamophobia.
 

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However accurate studying of history shows that all these many followers of this religion are in fact very out of step with the Faith in which they profess belief. The original and true practice of this "religion of peace" is a different story,

I challenge: you need to document the claim I have bolded from your quote

'The original and true practice of this "religion of peace" is a different story': well then, tell the story with sources that don't just validate your point of view: don't just make assertions. You need credit sources, a wide range of historians to do so, and you can't just pick and choose a foundation or two's storehouse of antiIslamic opinion to make your case.
 
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http://historynewsnetwork.org/
This correction of academic peddled false history is very well laid out in a understandable fashion. In the modern day with everyone's cell phone placing all knowledge and information ever recorded at our finger tips it's very easy view our ignorance of so much concerning so many things to be very unacceptable.
 
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About your source:
Gatestone Institutue is characterized as antiIslamic. and its president as as the “sugar mama of anti-Muslim hate”. A report by the Center for American Progress found that through a philanthropic foundation, Rosenwald (the president of Gatestone) and her family have donated more than $2.8 million since 2000 to “organisations that fan the flames of Islamophobia.
Of course it is!!! It's also a widely held belief that guns " inanimate objects" kill people.
 
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Of course it is!!! It's also a widely held belief that guns " inanimate objects" kill people.
I challenge: you need to document the claim I have bolded from your quote

'The original and true practice of this "religion of peace" is a different story': well then, tell the story with sources that don't just validate your point of view: don't just make assertions. You need credit sources, a wide range of historians to do so, and you can't just pick and choose a foundation or two's storehouse of antiIslamic opinion to make your case.
Will do ... No problem. By the way . just out of curiosity is it allowed to state any kind of personal opinionopinio
 
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Will do ... No problem. By the way . just out of curiosity is it allowed to state any kind of personal opinionopinio
I would like to point out that I am not attempting to promote or justify the beliefs or personal feelings of the president of aforementioned association or any for of agenda. I will hastily post reference material advocating the opinion of the opposition ad well as the view I hold.
 
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About your source:
Gatestone Institutue is characterized as antiIslamic. and its president as as the “sugar mama of anti-Muslim hate”. A report by the Center for American Progress found that through a philanthropic foundation, Rosenwald (the president of Gatestone) and her family have donated more than $2.8 million since 2000 to “organisations that fan the flames of Islamophobia.

Of course it is!!! It's also a widely held belief that guns " inanimate objects" kill people.
I would like to make sure that all observing participants in this discussion be aware that I have in a few posts attached information from Gatestone Institute, and that I can recall a group that is considered to have an association with it called Jihad watch. It is a "common known" sentiment that these are "anti-islamic hate groups'. I have attached a source below that expresses this idea. I however used the information sources of these groups based on my belief that the information about history they contain is accurate. Just because I or someone else expresses an idea or opinions which contradicts in some way any ideology that falls under the term " politically correct" it doesn't mean we are "hate filled racists' or "evil doers" or bad people categorized by any other synonymous euphemisms. It is a old saying in academia "history is written by the winners" or very easily in that case rewritten.
http://www.alternet.org/investigati...s-spreading-islamophobic-hate-across-atlantic
 

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Will do ... No problem. By the way . just out of curiosity is it allowed to state any kind of personal opinion

That's pretty much what this forum is: opinion. But stating opinions as facts is a common practice here, and so are logic errors. Some contributors are honest enough to qualify statements as opinion with phrases like imo, it seems to me, I'm led to believe, and then explain the reasons for their opinion. Beware of those who make assertions and demand they be taken as fact. There are no recognized oracles here: this is LPSG, not Delphi or Dodona, but there are a whole lot of Cassandras...
As far as I know, there are no licensed prophets, seers, wizards or revelators to be found here or anywhere else. There are lots of people here and elsewhere who 'see what they know', as opposed to those who 'know what they see'.

Beware of foundations, think-tanks, certain media companies and online news sites: their purpose is more to mold/influence popular opinion and not necessarily to present fair and balanced factual information.

And some posters are pretty good at setting up threads asking posters to voice an opinion. Those are always safe places to voice opinion.

Then there are those who offer sarcastic or caustic remarks instead of making a valid point or those who don the mantle of moral indignation when they are losing ground. Better to get your rocks off with sarcasm if you can't counter an argument.

My own background is classics, so I recognize and occasionally engage in attack, ridicule, irony, invective, and satire the way that Cicero, Aristophanes and others did. Some here see that as bad manners, but the sting of satire and ridicule is often more painful than the lash, just like Trump demonstrates by going afer SNL when the actor unmasks the politician's pride and hypocrisy. The scalpel hurts though it heals...
Cicero once called an opponent in the senate a c**t by addressing him in a sentence that started with the words cum (meaning 'when') nos (meaning 'us'); this was heard by all in the chamber as 'cunnus/cunnos', the Latin word for c**t. Btw, British posters in the politics forum resort to using the c**t word as an insult.

The right and the left are both very vociferous here, as you can see...
 
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I would like to make sure that all observing participants in this discussion be aware that I have in a few posts attached information from Gatestone Institute, and that I can recall a group that is considered to have an association with it called Jihad watch. It is a "common known" sentiment that these are "anti-islamic hate groups'. I have attached a source below that expresses this idea. I however used the information sources of these groups based on my belief that the information about history they contain is accurate. Just because I or someone else expresses an idea or opinions which contradicts in some way any ideology that falls under the term " politically correct" it doesn't mean we are "hate filled racists' or "evil doers" or bad people categorized by any other synonymous euphemisms. It is a old saying in academia "history is written by the winners" or very easily in that case rewritten.
http://www.alternet.org/investigati...s-spreading-islamophobic-hate-across-atlantic

'Based on my belief'
Ah yes, your religion again... :)
 
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http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/i...videos-the-crusades-the-real-comparison-video
The incredibly false ideas common place about the crusade's and Islamic Jihad could not be more inaccurate. It remains a preferred fictional version of history page peddled to the average person even though it is known in our time more so than ever to be a falsehood.

Here I'm submitting a paper by the American Historical Association. I consider this entity to be above reproach from just about anyone in the field of History. I will post several pieces from them concerning the crusade's from different views.
https://www.historians.org/publicat...-history/october-1998/rethinking-the-crusades
 
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That's pretty much what this forum is: opinion. But stating opinions as facts is a common practice here, and so are logic errors. Some contributors are honest enough to qualify statements as opinion with phrases like imo, it seems to me, I'm led to believe, and then explain the reasons for their opinion. Beware of those who make assertions and demand they be taken as fact. There are no recognized oracles here: this is LPSG, not Delphi or Dodona, but there are a whole lot of Cassandras...
As far as I know, there are no licensed prophets, seers, wizards or revelators to be found here or anywhere else. There are lots of people here and elsewhere who 'see what they know', as opposed to those who 'know what they see'.

Beware of foundations, think-tanks, certain media companies and online news sites: their purpose is more to mold/influence popular opinion and not necessarily to present fair and balanced factual information.

And some posters are pretty good at setting up threads asking posters to voice an opinion. Those are always safe places to voice opinion.

Then there are those who offer sarcastic or caustic remarks instead of making a valid point or those who don the mantle of moral indignation when they are losing ground. Better to get your rocks off with sarcasm if you can't counter an argument.

My own background is classics, so I recognize and occasionally engage in attack, ridicule, irony, invective, and satire the way that Cicero, Aristophanes and others did. Some here see that as bad manners, but the sting of satire and ridicule is often more painful than the lash, just like Trump demonstrates by going afer SNL when the actor unmasks the politician's pride and hypocrisy. The scalpel hurts though it heals...
Cicero once called an opponent in the senate a c**t by addressing him in a sentence that started with the words cum (meaning 'when') nos (meaning 'us'); this was heard by all in the chamber as 'cunnus/cunnos', the Latin word for c**t. Btw, British posters in the politics forum resort to using the c**t word as an insult.

The right and the left are both very vociferous here, as you can see...
Lol thanks. I always have scepticism of basically everything and everyone. I was aware already of the large amount of denouncement for various origin's in those sources. I have been comparing and considering countless groups associations historians etc.. I'm in po process of submitting. You really have to ignore bits n pieces of my personality. Lol I'm just a tad snippet like sometimes. I often don't even notice til it's pointed out by others. Thanks again for your help in outlining my Arguments flaws in presentation.
 
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'Based on my belief'
Ah yes, your religion again... :)
Um no. By belief I don't automatically mean the religion I hold. It was in reference to "what I personally think and veiw to be accurate and viable thought on any matter being addressed. Why just because I happened to mention once my Faith affiliation that I would ever base my ideas on religion??? There is that po presumptive reaction again...
 

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Um no. By belief I don't automatically mean the religion I hold. It was in reference to "what I personally think and veiw to be accurate and viable thought on any matter being addressed. Why just because I happened to mention once my Faith affiliation that I would ever base my ideas on religion??? There is that po presumptive reaction again...
I don't mean the faith you practice or the church you attend. I spoke metaphorically, which I ought not have done. But allow me some latitude: Like religion, politics has tenets, a mythos, authoritatve scriptures, sects, a soteriology, saints, prophets, and icons, and most groupings regard their beliefs as the true faith (ortho, meaning correct/right/true and doxy meaning belief). Political parti-pris is a lens through which the subscribing individualview our country/culture/the world, and that len provides acuity to the believer and distortion to members of another sect/church.
I am a skin-to-the-marrow humanist liberal, but I know my 'church' doesn't have the answer, or necessarily all the right answers. I can agree with anyone on the truth, but as jesting Pilate is supposed to have asked (according to Francis Bacon*) but didn't stay for the answer: 'What is the truth?'. Truth is what actually is so, not the way I want things to be. I don't always find people like who value truth here. I get vision checks relgularly, and adjustments, from time to time, from conservatives as well as others...

*Bacon's On Truth shoulde be required reading, a starting point for one's own determination of what truth is: http://grammar.about.com/od/classicessays/a/Of-Truth-By-Francis-Bacon.htm
 
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I don't mean the faith you practice or the church you attend. I spoke metaphorically, which I ought not have done. But allow me some latitude: Like religion, politics has tenets, a mythos, authoritatve scriptures, sects, a soteriology, saints, prophets, and icons, and most groupings regard their beliefs as the true faith (ortho, meaning correct/right/true and doxy meaning belief). Political parti-pris is a lens through which the subscribing individualview our country/culture/the world, and that len provides acuity to the believer and distortion to members of another sect/church.
I am a skin-to-the-marrow humanist liberal, but I know my 'church' doesn't have the answer, or necessarily all the right answers. I can agree with anyone on the truth, but as jesting Pilate is supposed to have asked (according to Francis Bacon*) but didn't stay for the answer: 'What is the truth?'. Truth is what actually is so, not the way I want things to be. I don't always find people like who value truth here. I get vision checks relgularly, and adjustments, from time to time, from conservatives as well as others...

*Bacon's On Truth shoulde be required reading, a starting point for one's own determination of what truth is: http://grammar.about.com/od/classicessays/a/Of-Truth-By-Francis-Bacon.htm
Exceptionally well stated! I completely understand where you state coming from. I get ya. I'm however endeavoring here with this issue out if boredom perhaps? Not really sure to be honest with you. I'm an extremely vain selfish shallow person with truthfully superficial concern for not much of anything save self preservation. I'm just fortunate enough to be very enamoured of myself..,. Its seemingly so simpler to go through life being accepting of who you are and also cool with that.
 

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Exceptionally well stated! I completely understand where you state coming from. I get ya. I'm however endeavoring here with this issue out if boredom perhaps? Not really sure to be honest with you. I'm an extremely vain selfish shallow person with truthfully superficial concern for not much of anything save self preservation. I'm just fortunate enough to be very enamoured of myself..,. Its seemingly so simpler to go through life being accepting of who you are and also cool with that.
We'll keep this in mind when you weigh in on anything in Politics.
 
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