9/11 2010 A day of remembrance.

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I am not one to observe death anniversaries, especially for those close to me. I consciously avoid remembering those dates, preferring instead to focus on random memories of people and the lives we shared, rather than a sad annual remembrance. Of course, with this anniversary that is not possible. I have a very personal connection to the events of that terrible day, which I will not discuss beyond that statement. I realize other people respond differently, and I regret if they are upset, but I will not apologize for the timing of my post or for speaking my truth.

For one day a year we focus on the tragedy of 9/11 and refocus our anger on the perpetrators of those heinous acts, an anger that of late has been grotesquely and violently extended to anyone of the Muslim faith. It is right and good that we make this annual observance (influenced in large measure by the media) and that we remember those who were the victims of this senseless tragedy and honor those who sacrificed themselves trying to save them. For one day a year we pull together as a nation in a public display of unity and we are "all Americans". But when I look at the fevered hostility in this country (even today in the streets of New York) the words spoken on this day ring increasingly hollow, and the rituals observed start to lose their meaning. How long will we gaze sadly at this wound to the American psyche before we turn our attention to healing? How long before we put this all in perspective and take an honest look at ourselves? How long before we confront the lessons unlearned?

What is missing for me is any examination of the bad roads we took as a nation leading up to and following the tragedy, and how they lead directly to the road we are currently on. As the day wore on I felt increasing frustration, indeed anger, from the realization that despite all the solemn ritual and patriotic rhetoric, it seems to me that the victims of 9/11 died in vain. Yes, it's a hard truth that few are willing to face and none are willing to say. That, on a very personal level, is the source of my anger and frustration. Not only was our national unity in the aftermath wasted, it was used to manipulate us, and as a consequence we are now more divided than ever. Not only was the goodwill of the world squandered, it was used to justify unwarranted military aggression. As a result there is more hostility in the world than before, both in general and directed at the US in particular.

In a few short years we went from standing high and proud on the world stage to being the worst bully on the block. We were given a slight reprieve with the hope and excitement that accompanied the election of a new president and a chance to turn the page. But that hope and excitement has now faded, and if worldwide opinion is any indication, it will be some time before we can redeem ourselves - provided that is our goal. Before that can happen we need to take a good hard honest look at ourselves and where we went wrong and make a radical course correction. Only then will the lives of those lost be truly honored. If the healing is to start, and it really needs to, it needs to start within. Maybe we need to pull the scab off that festering wound and take a look at it. The problem is, no one seems willing to do that. To even suggest it would be viewed as 'unpatriotic'.

It was not my intent to be provocative with this thread. It was my intent to cause people to think and share their thoughts. In fact, I hadn't intended to start a thread at all. I was writing my thoughts on the day in my journal to exorcise those feelings of anger and frustration I felt over the senselessness of the tragedy - but more so the senselessness of making this annual observance stand for little more than a yearly feel sad, feel good flag waving moment - before everybody goes back to business as usual and the same shit slinging that is tearing this country apart.

As I was writing though, I saw another thread open on the subject that, though genuine and heartfelt, took me aback with phrases like, "Symbols of wealth, America the free, America the prosperous; America offering opportunity". Other words nobly intended, "Truth shall always triumph over terror; valor shall always be victorious over vindictiveness. America will stay strong as we show the world we are capable of withstanding the brutal impact of tragedy and terror. Even brought to our knees we will not stoop to brutishness or bullies".
I could not help but feel a discomfort, a disconnect, and even a sense of irony in some of those words and these, "If our arrogance and pride has caused us to be too callused to those hurting in the world, or we have used others for our own greed, then let this be the vigilant wake up call to sacrifice self for the sake of others." The OP closed interestingly enough with a reference to lessons learned, "No words can adequately express the sadness of heart, the bewilderment felt or lives forever changed, but our tomorrows will reveal if we have learned the lessons so vividly taught us on this day of terror!" It struck me cold that not only have we not learned any lessons at all, we haven't even begun to ask the right questions.

In no way do I wish to detract from this other thread, which as I said was genuine and heartfelt, but to me it smacks of a certain jingoism that pervades our national attitude towards the events of 9/11 - how we responded in the aftermath, and how we observe it year to year - that distracts from reality and glosses over those hard uncomfortable truths. It was that last mention of "lessons learned" that compelled me to post my own thoughts. Rather than sully his respectful remembrance thread with my possibly unwelcome and unpopular views, I elected to start an alternative thread as counterpoint. Had I known it would upset some people, I might have waited until today to post and entitled it "9/12 2010 A day after a day of remembrance". It's done now though, and now it's 9/12. I wonder if today would be a good day to start learning our lessons, or tomorrow, or the next day? Sometime before the big ten year anniversary coming in 2011 would be good, which I imagine will observed with high ritual, many patriotic platitudes, and much political unity. At least for a day.

The events of 9/11 2001 were indeed a "wake up call" for America, but not in the way it's popularly thought.
I wonder if we'll wake up before it's too late.
 
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From over here, it has seemed as if a certain amount of soul-searching has gone on in the US, especially since the last year or so of the Bush Presidency when it was becoming obvious that Iraq and Afghanistan, to a lesser degree, weren't winning America any friends.

Obviously, it's hard to tell how deep it goes from over here, but from Americans I know personally, and from articles in the media, the impression has certainly been that America has been asking some difficult questions over the past 5 years or so, ranging from 'Why are we currently disliked, and get so much flak?', to 'Why are we becoming uncompetitive, against China, etc, and in the car industry?'.

The BP disaster (mishandled by almost everyone, on all sides), was disappointing in terms of Obama's knee-jerk, but understandable response to it - it just seemed like a backwards step after a few encouraging years.

It's been my feeling that America has taken notice of it's own problems, and its image worldwide - and has at least begun thinking about issues such as climate change, fossil fuel reliance, and a change of attitude in terms of foreign policy.

The election of Obama (imo) was seen around the world as an indication of the US' willingness to listen to criticism and an acceptance of the need for a new direction (as well as a reaction to the Bush years, probably); and perhaps a return to the more successful stance of Clinton with regards international diplomacy?

I do agree (Maxcok) that more needs to be addressed - and maybe the momentum has faded since Obama's election? That's not to say that other countries (UK definitely included) don't have their own lessons to learn, and problems to address, also. I also agree that there's always a danger of sinking into feeling victimised or blinding ourselves to reasons behind our troubles whilst hiding behind jingoistic nonsense (if that's what's happening), which isn't the answer. Maybe an acknowledgement that change is needed, while also recognising the genuine grief and distress that many still feel in relation to the 9/11 attacks?
 
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I agree with the topic starter. I can see where he is going with his post. BUT!! I lost many brothers on that tragic day. Being a firefighter I don't care if you are from US or anywhere else in the world. Its a brotherhood with bonds that cannot be broken. All we can do is "Never forget"
 

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Apart from all the thoughts and feelings I had with regard to the actual horrible and tragic events themselves, I, too, so deeply and angrily regretted this in the weeks and months following 9/11. Such an amazing opportunity, so cynically and greedily squandered. And the sting in the tail is that all the lost potential, so much "good" willfully, EAGERLY, cast away--and the only gain was a padding of the bottom line for the in-crowd's financial portfolios.

Nevertheless, I am in agreement with the notion that politics ought be laid aside on this day.


opportunity for what?
 

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The moments before the attacks took place were surreal to some degree. The WTC was a major subway stop for New York Transit and the NJ Path station so it was always open. Like I've done several times in the past, a friend of mine and I walked through the hallways of the public mall in the middle of the night to get to our subway connections. This was just 4-5 hours before anything actually happened and no one would have ever suspected such a heinous attack was going to take place. I was also in between jobs, so I woke up the next morning in my apartment near Journal Square around 8:00AM with the intention of going back to a Kinko's near the WTC to print up resumes. Of course, I wanted to start earlier than that but with no real appointments and obligations I took a much leisurely time to get things together.

I remember getting the phone call from one of my best friends who commuted from NJ to NYC to his job that was only 5 minutes away from the WTC... "Oh my God, turn on the TV. A plane just crashed into the World Trade Center! We're all gonna die." It was all said in about 5-6 seconds and then bone silence on the other end of the phone. I honestly didn't know what to think. At first I thought it was a joke. How could someone who is flying not miss such a big building? Every cartoon scene I ever seen containing a plane and a building diving out of the way came to mind. Then, I thought it could have been some horrible accident involving an air traffic control helicopter. So I turned on the TV... and there was the first tower on fire. I remembered sitting there on my futon, in front of my TV with the Zip disk that had my resume in hand in amazement and confusion. The news commentator sounded just as puzzled. At this point, nobody would have ever suspected that this was a terrorist attack.

And then shortly thereafter, on live TV while the commentator was still talking, the second plane crashed into the second tower. Everything just stopped at that moment, and the only words I remembered being heard muttered on the TV was, "OK. That was no accident." But I was still in partial denial that it was a terrorist attack. I really, REALLY wanted to think that a communication tower malfunctioned badly and was giving false directions to aircrafts. Then the news about a plane hitting the Pentagon as well as another one that was taken down before it made it to the White House started to spread. At that point, everyone knew that this was no accident.

About 2 minutes from where I stayed, there was a bridge that had a direct view of the WTC towers over the water. I got dressed and went to that spot. Many other people who were getting ready to commute into work was watching the two buildings stand there on fire. We were all stunned. I went into a nearby store to get something to drink, and about 5-10 minutes afterwards we all saw the first tower actually fall. I was instantly sick to my stomach. I ran home in complete shock. The only things I could think about was my friend who called me with that quick and alarming message, the fact that I was just there a few hours ago and if I was my usual prompt self that I could have been in or around the WTC or worse trapped in a train underneath the building. The rest of the day was spent on or near my computers and telephone, using those moments when I could get a signal to let people know I was OK. By nightfall, my friend who made the phone call to me earlier told me that he made it home in one piece, but NYC would never be the same again. I couldn't help but get teary-eyed knowing that he was OK. The next few days were absolutely insane. After the PATH train system was allowed to start running limited service into New York, I took a train into Manhattan to the 23rd Street stop. At that time all of the streets in the city below 14th were fenced off by police and nobody was allowed past that point. You could see the skies were completely grey due to all of the debris from the collapsed towers. To me, it was like walking through the set of Mad Max at certain points. But I was thankful to be alive.

Ironically, during this anniversary of 9/11 I find myself in a hotel room in Sao Paulo, Brazil, recovering from a huge event and studio session the night before. Considering what happened back in 2001, if this international gig was presented to me about 7 or 8 years ago I probably wouldn't have taken it. In fact, I know plenty of people who didn't fly for a LONG time. While the thoughts of 9/11 will never leave me, I'm still glad that in some ways we as citizens were able to mend some of the wounds and continue to move forward.
 
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Fascinating to hear a first-hand account, Vinyl - thanks. :)
 

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Sadly - it was an inside job !

The Pentagon was hit by a missile .... not a plane !( check the footage !)

The useless pilots who controlled planes into the 2 towers were unfortunately controlled by drones by the U.S. government !!

They can only show 4 guyz at the airport - yet 17 other people climbed aboard different planes - which they dont have footage of - wake up AMERICA - you have been conned !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The terrorist Atta - his passport was found twice - he only had one - yet the FBI - managed to place one at the base of both TOWERS - 2 passports - how ridiculous does that make the FBI look - including the US government - wake up AMERICA - .... life is not all white painted picket fences and $1 tips from decent UK holiday-makers - wake up ya brain dead lunatics at question your own government.....obama is a puppet...
 
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Hmm, I don't really buy into the conspiracy theory bollocks. :/
 

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I had flown into NYC the day before. The night before, I had gone to a fundraiser. There were celebrities, cameras, happiness, champaign and I was in heaven and out of my league. I partied with Russian models that night and got drunk. Woke up at the W on Lexington and turned on the TV only to see the same smoke and helicopters out my hotel window. Hung over and confused, I called home and learned what was happening. My NYC appointments canceled, I found a friend to drive back to Texas with, I filed bankruptcy and I'm still recovering. This is not to exclude the fact I lost someone I knew on the Pentagon event and firefighter I had a FWB special thing. I drove home to Dallas, immediately went to sleep for 20 hours and woke up with the flu. My life has never been the same since.
 

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Politicians need to leave us to our private remembrances and never, ever bring up that event again.
I would hope they never bring it up to score political points again or for an empty patriotic display, which is maybe what you intended? I would very much like them to bring it up and have that honest discussion about where US policies helped contribute to the environment of resentment that led to the attacks in the first place, where the leaders of this nation went wrong in their response to the attacks, and how we can pursue positive policies going forward that discourage the influence of fanatatical terrorists. In other words, learn our lessons and put them in action.

On your suggestion of letting this be a day for "private remembrances" I'm compelled to say that for all the calls to put politics aside on this sacred day, there were an awful lot of politicians onstage. Michelle Obama and Laura Bush holding hands may be a show of unity, but it's still very much political.

I would like to see the emphasis put much more on the "Day of Service" aspect that has been touted, but seems to be more of an afterthought. It would do this nation loads of good these days for people to get involved in voluntary service in their own communities, not just on this day, but on other days as well.
Financial contributions are good, but nothing beats rolling up your sleeves and meeting the neighbors.

Very well done. Bravo!
Thanks Slurp.

I remember . . . .
That was very moving. Thank you, Vinyl.
 
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Then how do you explain all of the dead people whose names were on the passenger manifest of the plane that was said to hit the Pentagon?

The Pentagon was hit by a missile .... not a plane !( check the footage !)

$1 tips? Christ, you guys are cheap bastards.

life is not all white painted picket fences and $1 tips from decent UK holiday-makers - wake up ya brain dead lunatics at question your own government.....obama is a puppet...
 

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To be honest, I do not completely buy into the official government/media sponsored narrative of how these tragic events came to pass. My questions have more to do with foreknowledge within certain governmental and nongovernmental bodies here and abroad, if not outright aid and abettal, rather than some of the more exotic forensic theories. However, as OP of this thread I am making a respectful request that we refrain from discussions of conspiracy theories here.

Such discussions typically devolve into a deconstructive and unprovable nuts and bolts analysis and a level of acrimony that I think would be counteproductive to honest discussion and tangential to the topic. If anyone wants to pursue those angles, I suggest you revive one of the prior threads on that topic or start one of your own. There is certainly enough of what we do know for certain about the events, the actions and reactions of our leaders in the aftermath, the results that followed, and where that has brought us today, to have a serious discussion on the known facts.
 
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Right on, bro. Obama was in on it too...


Sadly - it was an inside job !

The Pentagon was hit by a missile .... not a plane !( check the footage !)

The useless pilots who controlled planes into the 2 towers were unfortunately controlled by drones by the U.S. government !!

They can only show 4 guyz at the airport - yet 17 other people climbed aboard different planes - which they dont have footage of - wake up AMERICA - you have been conned !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The terrorist Atta - his passport was found twice - he only had one - yet the FBI - managed to place one at the base of both TOWERS - 2 passports - how ridiculous does that make the FBI look - including the US government - wake up AMERICA - .... life is not all white painted picket fences and $1 tips from decent UK holiday-makers - wake up ya brain dead lunatics at question your own government.....obama is a puppet...
 

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Right on, bro. Obama was in on it too...
Wow. Really? Seven years before he sewed up the Democratic nomination for president?

That Illuminati is even more powerful than I thought. Amazing.




(You know what I heard? He was responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor before he moved to Hawaii from Kenya. Sssshhhhh.)
 

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I had flown into NYC the day before. The night before, I had gone to a fundraiser. There were celebrities, cameras, happiness, champaign and I was in heaven and out of my league. I partied with Russian models that night and got drunk. Woke up at the W on Lexington and turned on the TV only to see the same smoke and helicopters out my hotel window. Hung over and confused, I called home and learned what was happening. My NYC appointments canceled, I found a friend to drive back to Texas with, I filed bankruptcy and I'm still recovering. This is not to exclude the fact I lost someone I knew on the Pentagon event and firefighter I had a FWB special thing. I drove home to Dallas, immediately went to sleep for 20 hours and woke up with the flu. My life has never been the same since.
Man that's a bad scene with all that financial wreckage but with that great eyesight seeing the helicopters from at least 3 miles away (Lex & 49th) maybe they can use the skill and enhance security & safety.

Sure hope things start getting better for you soon:smile:.