9/11 an Inside Job?

Who Engineered the events of September 11th 2001

  • The United States Goverment

    Votes: 15 21.4%
  • The "illuminati"

    Votes: 5 7.1%
  • the "terrorists" (Osama Bin Ladin)

    Votes: 37 52.9%
  • Im not sure.

    Votes: 13 18.6%

  • Total voters
    70
  • Poll closed .

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If you are reasoning from the postulate that the world doesn't actually have a problem with homicidal Islam, then the war against such must indeed seem like a put-on, a mask to obfuscate encroaching tyranny or a plot to enrich Halliburton, whichever you prefer. Then of course you'll be clueless as to the point of the Iraq experiment, and you reach the desired result - it's all Chimpy McHalliburton-Hitler Bush's fault.

If, however, you think that just possibly radical Islam is indeed up to its old intolerant religious tricks (not for the first time, of course), and using its few strengths to take advantage of the many chinks in the armor of liberal society - in other words, that we're in the middle of a good old medieval-style religious war, like it or not - then the war against terrorism is obviously real. In that context, Iraq makes perfect sense. In fact, it's brilliant, if you grasp some of the basic strategy. And the only tyranny to beware of is creeping socialism and mindless PC-ism, which we'd have with or without the September attacks.

Whether the US is heading for disaster is, to a large degree, a matter of definition. I think it might be, but not the disaster you're probably thinking of.


Wow, we agree more than I would have thought. Because I'm not stark raving insane, but just rude, I don't think we are the policemen of the world, or the world's religious differences. It's just none of our God damned business.

Enter Halliburton, whose profiteering is undeniable, except to the daft.
 

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A pull in the regard that he was speaking, was to demolish that building.

Now, Isnt it awfully peculiar that the explosives were IN PLACE in a "Burning" building?

The last thing you want near any fire, is C4 and other demolition type explosives. SO...how were they placed in the support beams to take that building down so cleanly.??
Answer - they were in place before the morning of 9-11.

If there was a fire, and the fire department should have "Pulled out" as its claimed here, that building would have BURNED to the ground, not collapsed in the same systematic manner and QUALITY that it fell.

LOOK at the goddamn buildings!! They fall STRAIGHT DOWN.
You dont have to be a fucking Rocket scientist to wonder HOW that happens!

Wake up people!
 

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A pull in the regard that he was speaking, was to demolish that building.

Now, Isnt it awfully peculiar that the explosives were IN PLACE in a "Burning" building?

The last thing you want near any fire, is C4 and other demolition type explosives. SO...how were they placed in the support beams to take that building down so cleanly.??
Answer - they were in place before the morning of 9-11.

If there was a fire, and the fire department should have "Pulled out" as its claimed here, that building would have BURNED to the ground, not collapsed in the same systematic manner and QUALITY that it fell.

LOOK at the goddamn buildings!! They fall STRAIGHT DOWN.
You dont have to be a fucking Rocket scientist to wonder HOW that happens!

Wake up people!


Well, when you prefer feelings to facts, you just ignore the FACT that NO BURNING GODDAMNED BUILDING HAS EVER FALLEN IN THIS MANNER- NOT ONE! But here we get three. Yeah, pretty fucking tough to figure out. Especially for morons.
 

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I had visited the WTC several times and I remember the tour guide specifically stating that they were designed to withstand (several) impacts from a major aircraft. But we heard, over and over again in the media, that they collapsed because of the fires caused by the burning fuel so I let it go, until… last spring, someone told me about WTC7. The third building that fell several hours later, it wasn't even hit by a plane, but it collapsed in the same manner as the twin towers. You can find video of the collapse of WTC7 many places on the net, have a look, it is a controlled demolition. Whats up with that?

Einstein your not as smart as you may think.

A little bit of research and you would have realized that the towers where indeed built to with stand impacts however, it was built for the 707

The World Trade Center towers' designers John Skilling and Leslie Robertson had low-speed, Boeing 707 airplane crashes in mind, when developing it's resistance to calamity, among hurricane winds and other such phenomenon.

The Boeing 767 is a much larger plane and is capable of speeds up to 540 MPH. These planes are much larger much faster and by no means where they slammed into these towers at "low speed"

Next! Yes! It did look like a controlled demolition! Because it was designed to do so! What was supposed to happen? These buildings are designed to fall down this way. The two towers where over a quarter mile tall! Once again what was supposed to happen? where they supposed to just fall over. That would just be grand, lets start designing buildings that can take out all of lower Manhatten.

Look at the facts for a few seconds and you'll realize how ridiculas your argument really is. Get a life!
 

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Einstein your not as smart as you may think.

A little bit of research and you would have realized that the towers where indeed built to with stand impacts however, it was built for the 707

The World Trade Center towers' designers John Skilling and Leslie Robertson had low-speed, Boeing 707 airplane crashes in mind, when developing it's resistance to calamity, among hurricane winds and other such phenomenon.

The Boeing 767 is a much larger plane and is capable of speeds up to 540 MPH. These planes are much larger much faster and by no means where they slammed into these towers at "low speed"

Next! Yes! It did look like a controlled demolition! Because it was designed to do so! What was supposed to happen? These buildings are designed to fall down this way. The two towers where over a quarter mile tall! Once again what was supposed to happen? where they supposed to just fall over. That would just be grand, lets start designing buildings that can take out all of lower Manhatten.

Look at the facts for a few seconds and you'll realize how ridiculas your argument really is. Get a life!

*Comes out of the woodwork just for a second*

:notworthy:

Some of you should really research engineering and structural integrity.
 

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Well, maybe you engineers can explain why WTC7 fell without suffering any impact?
 

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*Comes out of the woodwork just for a second*

:notworthy:

Some of you should really research engineering and structural integrity.


Obviously, a lot of us did that, a couple years ago. You'll have to excuse me if I doubt your thorough knowledge of structural engineering at 18.:rolleyes:

Scientists, architects and engineers have offered opinions on both sides, so it comes down to whose "truth" you find most compelling. I've posted what I've read enough times that I don't feel like doing research for those who are too lazy to google for themselves.
 

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Not this again. Loose Change is bullshit. WTC 7 fell due to extensive fire damage, and a general compromise of its structural integrity. The video always neglects to show footage of the heavily damaged other side of WTC 7. And you'd have to be a moron to believe it was a controlled demolition. Not only that, it was said that the Tower could withstand a hit from a 707 (possibly a different number but definitely a much older and smaller model), NOT a 767. The latter is more modern, and carries a helluva lot more fuel, which is why the terrorists selected it in the first place. More fuel = more fire = longer burn. It's effectively a passenger incindiary bomb in the wrong pilot's hands.

Oops... I guess they already did... But I thought that the word in the demolition community was that they all thought that it was a controlled demolition? Here are some links:

YouTube - Controlled Demolition Expert and WTC7 (original subtitles)
YouTube - 911 Eyewitness - Evidence of controlled demolition
YouTube - 9/11 Truth: Thermite & The Case for Controlled Demolition

The last one is EXTREMELY informative, no it is not propaganda, just an honest attempt at trying to get down to the truth!
 

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The towers werent designed to fall strait down to save collateral damage! Thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard!!! Anyone with half a brain knows THE EASTER BUNNY is responsible for this!!!! The evidence is OVERWHELMING, just check out this site created by someone I dont know!!!!!!
 

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....Not only that, it was said that the Tower could withstand a hit from a 707 (possibly a different number but definitely a much older and smaller model), NOT a 767. The latter is more modern, and carries a helluva lot more fuel, which is why the terrorists selected it in the first place. More fuel = more fire = longer burn. It's effectively a passenger incindiary bomb in the wrong pilot's hands.

It should also be noted that the designers of the WTC took into account the possibility that a plane could strike the WTC inadvertently in bad weather as it approached the area airports when fuel onboard would already have been largely consumed, not shortly after takeoff when it carried a full load. The buildings likely could have survived the impact (at least long enough to evacuate the area), it was the fire that brought them down.
 

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YouTube - 9/11 Deniers Speak - Part 1/5

No more supporting Loose Change.

Thermite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

^Read carefully when it talks about civilian use and the inexpensive and common nature of the material.

And now a brief lesson in physics:

There may have been the same weight on the foundation for all those years, but there was never the same amount of kinetic energy applied directly to those foundations. If you lift a 1-kilogram object 5 meters above the ground, you have just given that object a potential energy of

U = mgy sin (theta) (Potential energy = mass x acceleration by gravity x change in y-axis x sine of angle in between the ground and the vector path of uplift)

In a directly upward ascension perpendicular to the ground, we have:

U = (1-kg)(9.81m/s^2)(5m)[sin (90 deg)]
U = 49 kg x m/s^2 x m
U = 49.05 Joules (J).

Now, let's think about a scale as large as the mass of a skyscraper...many many meters tall. Every floor as it collapses is going to increment, in integral quantities no one but an engineer familiar with the design could calculate, more mass and more release from that stored potential energy with each meter of descent downward. Add that all up, and you've got at least MEGAJOULES (million) of energy being thrust directly into the basement in a virtually inelastic collision.

You'd better believe that the ground underneath would feel that one. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the amount of energy released in the collapses was comparable to that of an atomic bomb going off. Not to mention the heat generated by such a collision...

I'm researching some more info about WTC 7 to prove my other points...
 

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please show me the video of the 'heavily damaged' wtc7. here are some. Larry Silverstein Admits to Demolishing World Trade Center 7 on 9/11 - Google Video YouTube - WTC-7 Any Questions YouTube - WTC 7 9-11 any questions? please keep in mind that 'fires' happen often in sky scrapers.. however only 3 have ever fallen becuase of it. tower 1 tower 2 and wtc7

Sure someone else has already responded to this but I don't want to read through this whole thread because I've read all of it before. Fires like what happened in the WTC do not happen all the time, not even remotely close. Thousands and thousands of gallons of jet fuel burning at extremely hot temperatures... not an every day occurrence. Not quite hot enough to melt steel, as the stupid conspiracy videos point out, but certainly hot enough to reduce the strength of steel by about 80%, which they all conveniently ignore. My last post to this thread.... as it is completely idiotic. No offense DJG, I still think you're a cool guy. I'm friends with a lot of Christians too and they believe all sorts of crazy shit...
 

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I don't know, I was too young to really stop and learn about it. I've been reamed out about this by a teacher.. but I never seen the relevence of it when I was 12ish...
 

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I don't know, I was too young to really stop and learn about it. I've been reamed out about this by a teacher.. but I never seen the relevence of it when I was 12ish...

Interesting...so is that to say that younger Canadians are apathetic to when the United States gets burned? I guess I can understand that, hehe.

By the way, if you were twelvish, then I'm older than you. I was thirteenish. Plus, I saw it happen from the window of my classroom.
 

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YouTube - 9/11 Deniers Speak - Part 1/5

No more supporting Loose Change.

Thermite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

^ Read carefully when it talks about civilian use and the inexpensive
and common nature of the material.

And now a brief lesson in physics:

There may have been the same
weight on the foundation for all those years, but there was never the same amount of kinetic energy applied directly to those foundations. If you lift a 1-kilogram object 5 meters above the ground, you have just given that object a potential energy of:

U = mgy sin (theta) (Potential energy = mass x acceleration by gravity x change in y-axis x sine of angle in between the ground and the vector path of uplift)

In a directly upward ascension perpendicular to the ground, we have:

U = (1-kg)(9.81m/s^2)(5m)[sin (90 deg)]
U = 49 kg x m/s^2 x m
U = 49.05 Joules (J).


Now, let's think about a scale as large as the mass of a skyscraper...many many meters tall. Every floor as it collapses is going to increment, in integral quantities no one but an engineer familiar with the design could calculate, more mass and more release from that stored potential energy with each meter of descent downward. Add that all up, and you've got at least MEGAJOULES (million) of energy being thrust directly into the basement in a virtually inelastic collision.

You'd better believe that the ground underneath would feel that one. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the amount of energy released in the collapses was comparable to that of an atomic bomb going off. Not to mention the heat generated by such a collision...

I'm researching some more info about WTC 7 to prove my other points...

Well, Nitrofiend, you have baffled me with your physics equation, but your point is really great! You are such a little smartie!!!! Very impressive... kudos to your research, it is HIGHLY helpful to me! I read the Wikipedia entry on thermite, and my opinions haven't changed about the material allegedly being used, but... I do not subscribe wholeheartedly to the conspiracy theory, because I wasn't there and I don't want to be disrespectful. The Loose change shit was disgusting and irritating... I am an avowed liberal and a conspiracy theorist, but found those guys to be COMPLETE assholes!

The thing about this 9/11 conspiracy stuff is the fact that it doesn't smell right... the buildings were reduced to powder whether they were blown up or destroyed by jet fuel. The point is, if that didn't happen... this country would have never gone to war with Iraq... Bush would have never been elected again, never able to attempt to destroy the government from within like he is doing (if you can't see that, you don't want to see that), never have been able to pack the courts with conservative bullshit judges, never issue hundreds of precident setting signing statements, and most important of all... BANKRUPT THIS COUNTRY!

So, I have some interest in 9/11, because it also turned the enlightenment of this country back many, many years by injecting a DANGEROUS sense of nationalistic hubris and xenophobia into the average American. The evil bastards gained WAY too much for them to have NOTHING to do with this. They only got to invade Iraq because the media tied Saddam to Al Queda, Which was COMPLETE BULLSHIT! They were CHOMPING AT THE BIT to invade Iraq since when Clinton was president!

I don't really give a shit how they had a hand in 9/11, but in my heart... I KNOW THEY HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT, because they owe EVERYTHING to that fateful day. You people who like to debunk the conspiracy theorists are fantastic in keeping us conspiracy buffs grounded in our search for the truth. We are not bad people... not even bad Americans... just people who smell a rat... nothing more, now people like loose change are a breed unto themselves... they DO NOT speak for me, and probably have a lot to do with Air America's recent near bankrupcy!
 

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Well, Nitrofiend, you have baffled me with your physics equation, but your point is really great! You are such a little smartie!!!! Very impressive... kudos to your research, it is HIGHLY helpful to me! I read the Wikipedia entry on thermite, and my opinions haven't changed about the material allegedly being used, but... I do not subscribe wholeheartedly to the conspiracy theory, because I wasn't there and I don't want to be disrespectful. The Loose change shit was disgusting and irritating... I am an avowed liberal and a conspiracy theorist, but found those guys to be COMPLETE assholes!

The thing about this 9/11 conspiracy stuff is the fact that it doesn't smell right... the buildings were reduced to powder whether they were blown up or destroyed by jet fuel. The point is, if that didn't happen... this country would have never gone to war with Iraq... Bush would have never been elected again, never able to attempt to destroy the government from within like he is doing (if you can't see that, you don't want to see that), never have been able to pack the courts with conservative bullshit judges, never issue hundreds of precident setting signing statements, and most important of all... BANKRUPT THIS COUNTRY!

So, I have some interest in 9/11, because it also turned the enlightenment of this country back many, many years by injecting a DANGEROUS sense of nationalistic hubris and xenophobia into the average American. The evil bastards gained WAY too much for them to have NOTHING to do with this. They only got to invade Iraq because the media tied Saddam to Al Queda, Which was COMPLETE BULLSHIT! They were CHOMPING AT THE BIT to invade Iraq since when Clinton was president!

I don't really give a shit how they had a hand in 9/11, but in my heart... I KNOW THEY HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT, because they owe EVERYTHING to that fateful day. You people who like to debunk the conspiracy theorists are fantastic in keeping us conspiracy buffs grounded in our search for the truth. We are not bad people... not even bad Americans... just people who smell a rat... nothing more, now people like loose change are a breed unto themselves... they DO NOT speak for me, and probably have a lot to do with Air America's recent near bankrupcy!

I knew you were smarter than that. I TOTALLY agree about the politics part of it and in that regard, yes the government definitely has a conspiracy pulled over our eyes. However as one who is extremely scientifically inclined, I can't stand by and let so much of a lack of logic and jumping-on-the-bandwagon mentality overpower and demean an otherwise noble effort on the part of the real truth-seekers.

Most people who deny the official report of 9/11 also happen to radiate a very egotistical and conceited attitude towards those whom they feel are "less enlightened". Their self-righteous demeanor pisses me off to no end -- the fact that misinformation is being gloated about by anyone who can log into Youtube and spout any nonsense about the Illuminati or the New World Order, dollar bills and the like.

I'm a conspiracy theorist only when science fails. Not to mention that it irritates me when people discount my opinion based on my relatively young age. I'm majoring in atmospheric science and I'm currently involved in very heavy physics and math courses, and I think I might just be able to say something having to do with either field. If nothing else, I have more to say than someone who doesn't know anything about the laws of physics. I at least do my HW (well, not always:cool:).
 

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Thank you Nitrofiend, your thoughtful research was THE SHIT!!!!! I FUCKING LOVE YOUR ASS!!!! :biggrin1: