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Calboner, what you are refering to makes no sense whatsoever! Did you see hijackers board the plane? Were you on the plane when this occured? Why would you believe a story that a government that reigns full control over our lives tell you.
Frankly, I think your logic is flawed and for 19 hijackers to board planes and then successfully hijack them all and go on to hit 3 out of 4 targets with no interception is very hard for me and others to believe as well as other events that happened on the day. It should also be pointed out that the observation decks of both towers were closed on that day, to prevent there being any eyewitnesses.
The most rational reasoning would be to say that I am not sure what happened as there is too much conflicting evidence. And there is, there is more scientific proof to say it was an inside job than it was a terrorist attack carried out by muslim extremists.

Would you be able to hijack a plane with some others and hit one of the most important buildings in the USA or any country, I doubt it. Please though, feel free to show me evidence of actual hijackings where the hijackers took full control of the plane and then crashed, at least then there is some evidence to suggest that such an event could take place.

Wow! You've actually managed to improve on the old 9/11 conspiracy theories. This attains a level of ridiculousness that I had not seen the others reach.

The evidence has been well publicized and available for years. When there is one explanation of events that is supported by heaps of evidence in addition to being intrinsically plausible (viz., that the planes were hijacked by 19 members of Al Qaeda, etc.) in competition with another explanation that is a wildly implausible tissue of speculations, the burden of proof is on the latter, not the former. And yes, scorning the preposterous is very good use of one's logical and rational mind.
 

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Thanks. That is a real shame, and that is exactly what the government wanted to have, a mass population of imbeciles that they could control. People, like you say will not even meet you half way, fear, denial or ignorance is their problem. Unfortunately we have to live and share the world with these people who do nothing to change it. Still mass animal cruelty from the meat trade, multiple cars per family and just pure selfishness.

I would also like to add, where are all the victims families? With such an awful thing that happened wouldn't many families have been allowed to show their grief?

May I suggest a book to you, Everything They Told Me Was A Lie by Pat Shannan. Very interesting and eye opening if you are willing to read it with an open mind. Most people won't, they believe everything their gub'ment tells them and what they hear on tv.
 
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But the really important thing is that, as is normal with such comments, the “Truthers” tend to come over as intelligent and willing to explain why they believe what they do, and the people who believe the Government’s version of events have a strange inability to form any sort of argument at all, instead, resorting to their usual comfort blankets of name-calling and general abuse, fake patriotism, weepy emotion and appeals for “respect for the dead” and of course the exhibition of total trust of government and unwillingness to personally evaluate the situation: “I refuse to believe the government would do that”.

Sounds familiar from about 99 % of you people in here. It is from Alex Jones, of which, I'm sure you will dismiss everything he says.
 

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Good question, and possibly one that only the people behind the plan will ever know. I am not sure if depleted uranium missiles were used on that day but I am sure that it was an inside job or as most people don't know "a job that was put on by at least four nations", veteran fighter pilot and 9/11 whistleblower Field McConnell.

Going back to your point, it appears, if it was truly a depleted uranium missile, it may have been fired from the nose of the plane, although some say it may have been fired off the wing or the fuselage of the plane. And as for your point about there being no video evidence showing differnent angles of the impact of the wtc 1 attack, I am not sure, I would assume that there is at least quite a few security cameras that recorded the impact but yet are not shown, possibly confiscated by the F.B.I., or simply destroyed by the business owners from fear of reprisals from the government.
The Naudet brothers shot that footage as they happened to be shooting a documentary that day about a certain firefighting squaldron. Also, it came to light that the firefighters that were being filmed on that day, were testing for a gas leak, don't you think that is strange that they are willing to break health and safety rules by allowing film makers into an area that is unsafe?
Also, if you look at that footage, I would ask you to question it's strangeness. Why did the Naudet brothers show the world trade centers for a fixed amount of seconds in the footage when they were supposed to be fixed on the firefighters, the world trade centers have been standing there for many years and a regular site for people who live in Manhatten, so why did they bring emphasise on the towers? It may not seem all that coincidental and strange at first but take into account that the first attack on the world trade center happened just seconds later is. I think they were waiting around for the attack to happen and were getting prepared to capture the footage of the attack.


Also why, when the plane was in sight did the Naudet brothers not zoom in to catch what was heading in the direction of the world trade center? They zoomed in afterwards to show the aftermath, that is a huge fireball, this dispells the fact that the zoom on their camera was broken. The theory is that they were involved in the attacks and got a huge payout, hence why they left the public eye after 2003. If this is so then they were told to capture the event happening but make sure not to show any details, such as close ups of the plane approaching the world trade center and capturing the big white flash in a more detailed view.

It also should be made very clear that many victim's families were involved in creating the 9/11 truth movements which should shun the misfact that conspiracy theories are an insult to those who died on that day.
 
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Wow, I am always surprised at the conspiracy theories, but you have obviously put a lot of creative effort into yours. I am a family member of someone that was killed on 9/11. I am also someone who has researched a lot into what happened that day and why. Its implausible that a missile hit the pentagon, the damage and type of destruction does not meet any type of missile that I am aware of. The evidence is compelling that the terrorist hijacked the planes, there is video evidence, phone calls from the aircraft, and recordings that have been public for a long time from the planes. I could go on and on... but I believe that there is certainly nothing I could say that would allow you to understand the truths instead of what you want as the truths.

We can create any scenario we want... if that's what we want to see. I certainly applaud your creativity.
 

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Going back to your point, it appears, if it was truly a depleted uranium missile, it may have been fired from the nose of the plane, although some say it may have been fired off the wing or the fuselage of the plane. And as for your point about there being no video evidence showing differnent angles of the impact of the wtc 1 attack, I am not sure, I would assume that there is at least quite a few security cameras that recorded the impact but yet are not shown, possibly confiscated by the F.B.I., or simply destroyed by the business owners from fear of reprisals from the government.

My post was specifically about a missile being fired and nothing being captured on video of it, or anyone reporting that they saw a missile. How would a missile deploy in the exact split second before the plane hit? Look up how current missiles work. Even the most recent missiles don't go at the speed of light. :cool:
 

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Well, the Illuminati may not exist.
En revanche, there may be a thousand illiminati ... too many to take seriously.
I am on the side of the latter position, though not strongly partisan.
(I am contemptuous of categories, you see? Or do you?)

Well, regarding the New World Order, I specifically asked to have fries with that.

I further specified mayonnaise. Ou va la France?
Phoque!
 

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Paranoid schizophrenics are prone to delusions, tales in which random events become deeply meaningful.

...

In addition to other brain abnormalities, schizophrenics have too much dopamine. Just as addicts' desensitized dopamine systems make them feel that nothing matters, high levels of the neurotransmitter make schizophrenics believe that everything is significant. (Source)

They're gonna getcha!

(unless you get help first)
 

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BigBoy10:

I applaud your efforts, I am with you as are many others. No matter what we say or do to prove are case, in frustration, their only retort is always the same "conspiracy theorist!, or "Our government would NEVER do something as horrible as that to its own citizens!"

Well they did and haven't let up for the past 10 years! So to the naysayer I say "fuck 'em!" Apparently, critical thinking is no longer a requirement for anything! This is also true of reading for comprehension and writing!

So be it. For everyone of them, there is one of us who has "snapped out of it" (sans a slap in the face by Cher) stopped sucking off the government's "tit" in order to feel safe and secure. By the way, what's wrong with theories? Many people believe in the "theory of evolution", it does make more sense? Aren't economics (both mnacro and micro) just theories? But, but, but. . . . . .

Instead of trying to "revive" those still in coma, it time we just stay amongst our own and further our own discussion. Stop trying to beat some sense into "closed minds."

As for the person who lost someone on 911, I say, "All the more reason to question the 'Official Story'." Unless, of course, you were paid 2 - 3 million dollars not to - like the other 2999! Funny thing is, cellphones didn't work while flying at that altitude back in 2001! Also, at the crime scenes, "Ground Zero", "Shanksville" and the Pentagon, where are the bodies? Aircraft? Oh that's right, they disintergrated on impact!" Yah Right! But a Florida drivers license, hijacker passport and a red bandana (supposedly worn by a hijacker), all more perishable than an airliner(?) weren't"

So BigBoy10, like I said earlier - "Fuck Em!" If you want to continue your discussion, this ain't the place! Come join the tin foil party, investigation and discussion here: Let's Roll Forums - Powered by vBulletin
 
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BigBoy10:

I applaud your efforts, I am with you as are many others. No matter what we say or do to prove are case, in frustration, their only retort is always the same "conspiracy theorist!, or "Our government would NEVER do something as horrible as that to its own citizens!"

Well they did and haven't let up for the past 10 years! So to the naysayer I say "fuck 'em!" Apparently, critical thinking is no longer a requirement for anything! This is also true of reading for comprehension and writing!

So be it. For everyone of them, there is one of us who has "snapped out of it" (sans a slap in the face by Cher) stopped sucking off the government's "tit" in order to feel safe and secure. By the way, what's wrong with theories? Many people believe in the "theory of evolution", it does make more sense? Aren't economics (both mnacro and micro) just theories? But, but, but. . . . . .

Instead of trying to "revive" those still in coma, it time we just stay amongst our own and further our own discussion. Stop trying to beat some sense into "closed minds."

As for the person who lost someone on 911, I say, "All the more reason to question the 'Official Story'." Unless, of course, you were paid 2 - 3 million dollars not to - like the other 2999! Funny thing is, cellphones didn't work while flying at that altitude back in 2001! Also, at the crime scenes, "Ground Zero", "Shanksville" and the Pentagon, where are the bodies? Aircraft? Oh that's right, they disintergrated on impact!" Yah Right! But a Florida drivers license, hijacker passport and a red bandana (supposedly worn by a hijacker), all more perishable than an airliner(?) weren't"

So BigBoy10, like I said earlier - "Fuck Em!" If you want to continue your discussion, this ain't the place! Come join the tin foil party, investigation and discussion here: Let's Roll Forums - Powered by vBulletin

True, all you'll get here are insults and name calling. The sheeple can't think beyond what has been spoon fed them.
 

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lol sure the evolution is just a theory, but like all sience theories are proofed! When you start a new theory its YOU who have to deliver evidence... But no one can, of the people who say it was a inside job...
And one logical theory says that when ther are more then one theory its mostly the most simple one thats right...
And what is more simple... That it was the plan of a guy that allready tryd to distroy the WTC...
Or that it was the gov. who did it with the help of thousands of people and no one says a word...

I follow this thread cause its amusing and a poster wrote "trussers" dont proofe anything they are just saying it could be... What has to be enough... But everybody else has to proof everything at minimum 3 times, and even then there is nothing that they have to believe, cause the gov could have faked the evidence...

So at the end its just bla bla bla bla bla of people who searche for ther sense of life... And waisting time with so called theories

A missile on a wing or the front of a plain and no one on the airport saw it? Come on...
 

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There are many un-answered things for this story. But to say that Obama had anything to do with it is a far reach. A very long reach.

If you want to know who had the inside scoop, inquire of our current administration at the time. They've been corrupting government since the 50s, moreso in the 60's and continue to this day.

Whoever planned that attack knew exactly what they were doing, and how to execute it perfectly. That is a tall feat for a terrorist to hijack a plane out of the blue. To this day, I still believe there was U.S. Government envolvement as there were too many items covered up and quickly brushed under the rug never to be seen again.

But, those are my beliefs - not facts. The facts are that thousands of U.S. citizens died on that day for nothing, and we as a country and you as our across the pond neighbors need to chin up and execute a plan so that this type of act never happens again.
 

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There are many un-answered things for this story. But to say that Obama had anything to do with it is a far reach. A very long reach.

If you want to know who had the inside scoop, inquire of our current administration at the time. They've been corrupting government since the 50s, moreso in the 60's and continue to this day.

Whoever planned that attack knew exactly what they were doing, and how to execute it perfectly. That is a tall feat for a terrorist to hijack a plane out of the blue. To this day, I still believe there was U.S. Government envolvement as there were too many items covered up and quickly brushed under the rug never to be seen again.

But, those are my beliefs - not facts. The facts are that thousands of U.S. citizens died on that day for nothing, and we as a country and you as our across the pond neighbors need to chin up and execute a plan so that this type of act never happens again.

Question for you;

How do you execute a plan if those that will come up with and execute said plan are the ones that are the cause?

Kind of like the fox guarding the hen house don't you think?
 

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Well, there are international elitists who do collude in efforts to shape the world, and they do use the "order from chaos" approach to achieve their results. It's happened all throughout history, and it's still happening now. Some call it Western Colonialism, some call it NWO, whatever you call it doesn't matter, because it really is happening, no matter what label you put on it. UN, NATO, NAFTA, the Eurozone, Interpol, IMF...all are products of the workings of this international ring of people. The Vatican is also involved, as are many royal families.

It's unfortunate that many people still refuse to connect the dots, blindly following whatever their governments spew across the airwaves. Iran-Contra, Fast and Furious (to name a couple)...face it, the American government is ran by a bunch of rat bastards that care more about advancing "Western Colonialism" than they do about their own country. They use party politics to keep the public divided and distracted from the big picture. And the public LOVES IT. It's like a soap opera to them. They can't get enough of their Don Lemons' and Sean Hannity's...if they didn't say it, it's not true to them.

Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars Check out the Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars manual if you've never read it. It may open your eyes a bit to what's really going on.
 

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Sound response :smile:

Yes, they have been doing this for many many years like you have said and we truly do not know what is going on as we are not in a high enough position to know so, but what we do know is things do not add up and seem very suspicious. The reasoning behind a new world order, is total mass control of the world by these people, I am not sure if it will get there but events since the 9/11 attacks seem to unveil this order.
There is reason to believe that the vatican will govern the world and the pope will be the new world leader, this seems far fetched to many but lets not forget that the pope and the leaders of the catholic church are the ones that tried to cover up the paedophilies that infiltrated the religion, what sort of religious leader would allow the abuse of children to be left alone. Doesn't make sense.

Lets try to think outside of the box for a minute, what has actually happened since 9/11 that has caused such a rapid decline in the quality of our society? What has changed since? I can think of one, that is mass overpopulation, that is one problem that even the government can not have full reign over.
That is pretty much it, all else is just being constructed to manipulate the masses, referendums, eurozone crisis, it's all an illusion, it doesn't need to exist, all of politics is just an illusion, the recession is just an illusion to create fear for the public, sure it did happen, people did lose jobs, people struggled and are still struggling with bills, I for one am, but this was created by the government to achieve their goals, money is a social construct, it is there to control people, just like marriage, the education system and jobs.

One more thing, why is it a far reach for you to believe that Barack Obama played a part in 9/11, think outside the box for a second and realise what you just told me is true, why do you believe this, and yet you can't belive how he was implicated in the attacks, were you his best friend, his college classmate, have you worked side by side with him? Then otherwise you don't know him, nor do I, his work history is undisclosed and he is now the president of the united states, at a time when people who believe in new world order, is being slowly, gradually, bit by bit, being unveiled.

There are many un-answered things for this story. But to say that Obama had anything to do with it is a far reach. A very long reach.

If you want to know who had the inside scoop, inquire of our current administration at the time. They've been corrupting government since the 50s, moreso in the 60's and continue to this day.

Whoever planned that attack knew exactly what they were doing, and how to execute it perfectly. That is a tall feat for a terrorist to hijack a plane out of the blue. To this day, I still believe there was U.S. Government envolvement as there were too many items covered up and quickly brushed under the rug never to be seen again.

But, those are my beliefs - not facts. The facts are that thousands of U.S. citizens died on that day for nothing, and we as a country and you as our across the pond neighbors need to chin up and execute a plan so that this type of act never happens again.
 

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Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars Check out the Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars manual if you've never read it. It may open your eyes a bit to what's really going on.

OMG i realy have to apologize, i was realy wrong

From now on i support the "shut up, stupid" thread:biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1:

You americans have realy to mutch time... That you can think about sutch nonsense...