9/11 and new world order

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OMG i realy have to apologize, i was realy wrong

From now on i support the "shut up, stupid" thread:biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1:

You americans have realy to mutch time... That you can think about sutch nonsense...

We don't expect you to understand...good luck with Greece :wink:
 

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Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars Check out the Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars manual if you've never read it. It may open your eyes a bit to what's really going on.

That's William Cooper's text.
He was one of the great American nutbars of the last half century.
As far as I get a sense of you from your posts, I like you, lucky ... but Cooper?
Aaaaargh.
I hope you're being a bit ironic in offering that link.
 

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That's William Cooper's text.
He was one of the great American nutbars of the last half century.
As far as I get a sense of you from your posts, I like you, lucky ... but Cooper?
Aaaaargh.
I hope you're being a bit ironic in offering that link.

It was in a book of his, yes, but he didn't author the text. It's not unnatural to believe it was written for a purpose...
 

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Question for you;

How do you execute a plan if those that will come up with and execute said plan are the ones that are the cause?

Kind of like the fox guarding the hen house don't you think?

I hope I understood your response correctly.

What I am saying is that I believe it was larger than just two terrorists. It was planned by a larger organization that planned it, and followed it through step by step.

Example: I firmly believe either a shadow government or our own had side-stepped safety features to make this more possible than it would have normally been. More or less - they let it happen.

I honestly can't say that we are safer now than what we were 10 years ago, but much less focus was on airport security than there is now.

My biggest hang ups are:
What happened to the remains of the plane entering the pentagon.
Why was all of it shuttled away into darkness - even 10 years after the event.
Why has there been no security videos posted of the event, even if they don't want to show us the remains of the plane?
Besides the White House...the pentagon is basically Fort Knox. No one had security videos rolling? ....it just seems so odd.

And it isn't for my personal satisfaction or gain to know...I just wish the families of those lost would be able to know the truth.
Mabee they do know the truth already.... but there seem to be so many unanswered questions.
 

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I hope I understood your response correctly.

What I am saying is that I believe it was larger than just two terrorists. It was planned by a larger organization that planned it, and followed it through step by step.

Example: I firmly believe either a shadow government or our own had side-stepped safety features to make this more possible than it would have normally been. More or less - they let it happen.

I honestly can't say that we are safer now than what we were 10 years ago, but much less focus was on airport security than there is now.

My biggest hang ups are:
What happened to the remains of the plane entering the pentagon.
Why was all of it shuttled away into darkness - even 10 years after the event.
Why has there been no security videos posted of the event, even if they don't want to show us the remains of the plane?
Besides the White House...the pentagon is basically Fort Knox. No one had security videos rolling? ....it just seems so odd.

And it isn't for my personal satisfaction or gain to know...I just wish the families of those lost would be able to know the truth.
Mabee they do know the truth already.... but there seem to be so many unanswered questions.

More or less.

Kind of like another Pearl Harbor maybe?
 

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Lets try to think outside of the box for a minute, what has actually happened since 9/11 that has caused such a rapid decline in the quality of our society? What has changed since? I can think of one, that is mass overpopulation, that is one problem that even the government can not have full reign over.
That is pretty much it, all else is just being constructed to manipulate the masses, referendums, eurozone crisis, it's all an illusion, it doesn't need to exist, all of politics is just an illusion, the recession is just an illusion to create fear for the public, sure it did happen, people did lose jobs, people struggled and are still struggling with bills, I for one am, but this was created by the government to achieve their goals, money is a social construct, it is there to control people, just like marriage, the education system and jobs.

One more thing, why is it a far reach for you to believe that Barack Obama played a part in 9/11, think outside the box for a second and realise what you just told me is true, why do you believe this, and yet you can't belive how he was implicated in the attacks, were you his best friend, his college classmate, have you worked side by side with him? Then otherwise you don't know him, nor do I, his work history is undisclosed and he is now the president of the united states, at a time when people who believe in new world order, is being slowly, gradually, bit by bit, being unveiled.

I really don't see any connection between Obama and the current state of affairs today. The only thing I can think of is big campaign funds were pumped to sway a decision one way or another. And Oprah. =)
The other reason is that the country really didn't have a worthwhile presidential candidate worth voting for. He was the safe bet.

Honestly, I believe it was the price of Gasoline that continued to rise which contributed to a big part of it. I'd also bet that it was one of the direct causes.
I like to think of Gasoline and crude oil being the drivers of the world.
If you affect the price of crude - everything goes up in cost.
Now, americans love to drive. For many, the automobile is the center of the universe. It's our freedom, its our individuality. Many of them take large amounts of gasoline. Plus an auto isn't usually something you can just walk away from or change quickly. Its a long term investment.
So, if you bought a Hummer SUV, your stuck paying big gas prices.

Combine that with a massive amount of Imports from China - you guessed it...they have to be shipped from port to wherever. Plane, truck, train etc. All use Petrol. So cost of the items go up.
Wages stay the same.
Economy takes a hit from uncertainty, stocks drop, corporations start loosing money, so they lay people off.
Suddenly....corporations are considered "People" by law and allowed to contribute to campaign funds.
Here we are today. Many jobs lost, not much growth, still a lot of uncertainty, and not alot of answers.

People will flame me, but I put a large portion of the blame on the Republican Party, and the Conservative party. They've been chiseling away at the american dream for years, and are continuing to do so.

Democrats aren't saints either....they've done enough improper money handling themselves. Once the robbery became "Standard operating procedure", you see the politics of today.

The Recession:
I honestly would want a president to tell the country to save. Almost every president of past has told the country to save. Mr. Shrub told the country to spend. We had 8 years of uncontrolled spending, and now we are paying the price.

Further, during those 8 years of the Bush Administration many banks and lending institutions were being de-regulated. It was a Free for all and they were counting on that housing bubble to pop. They were forcing the hand and leading it to happen to gain big bucks.
We know this now. We are paying the price.

I'm not saying your wrong, I am just skeptical Obama had anything to do with it as he didn't have access to pull the strings needed for such bold moves.
 
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We don't expect you to understand...good luck with Greece :wink:
And this from a country that has way bigger problems then we have with greece... Greatings to kalifornia and florida... :eek: so why dont you start to care for the real problems insted of "studying" pseudo conspirancies... (ah sorry i forgot, the hole crisis doesnt exist)
If you would know more about how economy or politic works or a bit more about history you wouldnt believe every shit...

These "theories" are made out of two reasons...
1. To make money from stupid people who buy the book

2. And the bigger problem...
Written by people who reale believe what they wirting. But they write it cause the dont understand the world... So they create a secret organisation that rules the world. With this you got just one thing to put your eye on... Way easier... So easy that even the last hillbilly will understand it...
 

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There is reason to believe that the vatican will govern the world and the pope will be the new world leader, this seems far fetched to many but lets not forget that the pope and the leaders of the catholic church are the ones that tried to cover up the paedophilies that infiltrated the religion, what sort of religious leader would allow the abuse of children to be left alone.
I just wanted to quote that so that your reasoning gets the attention that it deserves.
 

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Yes, they are all vaild points and a common sense view of what is presented in front of you, however I don't think it is the truth. Like I said before that most things regarding politics and the governing of the country is an illusion to get you to believe what is put in front of you.
That is where conspiracy theories are born from, these people, including myself don't believe any of this, however, unfortunately, as much evidence as we can deliever to provide a sound case, without the REAL people responisble for it confessing to it, or without great empirical evidence being brought forward to convict these people of these crimes then no one will really get a proper answer.
I believe that elections are rigged and like I said before, after graduating from college or university, Barack Obama's life after that was very much unknown. People are recruited by governments to help them, I am sure, and for whatever reason, Barack Obama presented himself as a suitable recruit, whether this happened at college/university I am not sure.
You mentioned the fact that certain presidents in the past have told you to save money and what not, again, the presidents, certainly the ones within the last 20 years are spokespeople for the government, they will plan these events many periods of time before they are released to the public, all to control the masses and get them to do what they say, sort of like a test of subserviance of the people to the government.


Also, like you said about their being no connections between Barack Obama and the 9/11 attacks, well there wouldn't be, would there? Most things are kept well hidden from the public eye, and the government will only release certain knowledge, like what you presented, which seems from an outside perspective to being entirely conclusive and believable, although, other evidence suggests otherwise.

It really is hard to explain as without inside knowledge of future unveiling of plans, no one really knows what is going on.

I shall though, leave you with this theory, that the mass population has been controlled for thousands of years, well back to the time of the ancient eyptians, where the pharoahs governed the people, and then all throughout time, roman age, tudor and elizabethen periods and the victorian period. We live in a modern society now, so it does appear that we have more freedoms now, but we are still being controlled and the 9/11 attacks were the starting point for a new reign of control, restrictions of freedom and basically a form of slavery, which is being called the new world order.

So what I am saying is, whatever is being or has been released to the general public through the media, try not to believe it, some of it may be true, but most isn't.

I really don't see any connection between Obama and the current state of affairs today. The only thing I can think of is big campaign funds were pumped to sway a decision one way or another. And Oprah. =)
The other reason is that the country really didn't have a worthwhile presidential candidate worth voting for. He was the safe bet.

Honestly, I believe it was the price of Gasoline that continued to rise which contributed to a big part of it. I'd also bet that it was one of the direct causes.
I like to think of Gasoline and crude oil being the drivers of the world.
If you affect the price of crude - everything goes up in cost.
Now, americans love to drive. For many, the automobile is the center of the universe. It's our freedom, its our individuality. Many of them take large amounts of gasoline. Plus an auto isn't usually something you can just walk away from or change quickly. Its a long term investment.
So, if you bought a Hummer SUV, your stuck paying big gas prices.

Combine that with a massive amount of Imports from China - you guessed it...they have to be shipped from port to wherever. Plane, truck, train etc. All use Petrol. So cost of the items go up.
Wages stay the same.
Economy takes a hit from uncertainty, stocks drop, corporations start loosing money, so they lay people off.
Suddenly....corporations are considered "People" by law and allowed to contribute to campaign funds.
Here we are today. Many jobs lost, not much growth, still a lot of uncertainty, and not alot of answers.

People will flame me, but I put a large portion of the blame on the Republican Party, and the Conservative party. They've been chiseling away at the american dream for years, and are continuing to do so.

Democrats aren't saints either....they've done enough improper money handling themselves. Once the robbery became "Standard operating procedure", you see the politics of today.

The Recession:
I honestly would want a president to tell the country to save. Almost every president of past has told the country to save. Mr. Shrub told the country to spend. We had 8 years of uncontrolled spending, and now we are paying the price.

Further, during those 8 years of the Bush Administration many banks and lending institutions were being de-regulated. It was a Free for all and they were counting on that housing bubble to pop. They were forcing the hand and leading it to happen to gain big bucks.
We know this now. We are paying the price.

I'm not saying your wrong, I am just skeptical Obama had anything to do with it as he didn't have access to pull the strings needed for such bold moves.
 

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And this from a country that has way bigger problems then we have with greece... Greatings to kalifornia and florida... :eek: so why dont you start to care for the real problems insted of "studying" pseudo conspirancies... (ah sorry i forgot, the hole crisis doesnt exist)
If you would know more about how economy or politic works or a bit more about history you wouldnt believe every shit...

These "theories" are made out of two reasons...
1. To make money from stupid people who buy the book

2. And the bigger problem...
Written by people who reale believe what they wirting. But they write it cause the dont understand the world... So they create a secret organisation that rules the world. With this you got just one thing to put your eye on... Way easier... So easy that even the last hillbilly will understand it...

The thing you're not understanding is the problems we face right now, worldwide, were caused by the direct actions (policies) of this ring of people trying to govern the world. They aren't secret, but you sure as hell aren't going to see them publicly admitting they caused this mess. I'm talking about our elected world leaders. Money, or lack thereof, is in large part under their control. Money, or lack thereof, is at the heart of this financial mess we all find ourselves in. I could go on and on about how central banks manipulate money supplies to spur growth and recessions, but I don't feel it's worthwhile anymore. You either get it or you don't.
 

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I posted pretty much the same thing in a different thread focusing on 9/11, but that was a while ago, so here goes:

I find many flaws and holes the the official story of what happened that day. In fact, I doubt we'll ever really know the whole truth. These flaws are, in my view, attempts at ass-covering by the most arrogant and hubristic administration since Richard Nixon was forced to resign. I don't believe that they planned or executed it. They just underestimated Al Qaeda's determination to actually do it; they ignored key warnings for months. I believe that 9/11 genuinely terrified them.

So I don't believe that it was an inside job. Rather I think it was the work of twisted and barbaric men in the thrall of a charismatic religious fundamentalist. They considered themselves martyrs, not terrorists.

As to this whole New World Order thing: I don't really get that, either. The Afghan war was clearly retaliatory. Though the hijackers were Saudi subjects, the Taliban supported Al Qaeda, giving them a base from which the could operate. Unfortunately, the war was botched early on and remains our longest military conflict to date.

I was never a supporter of the invasion and occupation of Iraq. The bit I knew of Saddam was that he brutally suppressed religious fundamentalism. There was no way he could have worked with Al Qaeda/bin Laden. And, much like Afghanistan, it was poorly thought-out with no exit strategy. It was also sold on false pretenses. When Colin Powell learned the truth, he left public life for good.

The world today is a very different place from the one I grew up in. At least in the US we are measurably less free. However, the world is much larger than just my country. Soviet Communism has collapsed, and capitalist democracies have been established in its place, with varying degrees of success. The Arab Spring gives me thoughtful hope that, at least in some places, capitalist democracies will spread there, too. As the economy booms in China, I believe that democratic reforms will be seen there, too. So, in general, the world is more free than it was in 1980.

I don't believe in puppet-masters or a shadow world government. There are many way of manipulating the masses, but I'm hard-pressed to see any one single set of ideas in play.
 

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The thing you're not understanding is the problems we face right now, worldwide, were caused by the direct actions (policies) of this ring of people trying to govern the world. They aren't secret, but you sure as hell aren't going to see them publicly admitting they caused this mess. I'm talking about our elected world leaders. Money, or lack thereof, is in large part under their control. Money, or lack thereof, is at the heart of this financial mess we all find ourselves in. I could go on and on about how central banks manipulate money supplies to spur growth and recessions, but I don't feel it's worthwhile anymore. You either get it or you don't.


Oh i understand realy good what your point is... And again the world doesnt work like this. If you would know more about how it works you wouldnt believe sutch rubbish...
No matter if you call it "a ring of people" a "NGO" a "organisation" or "secret organisation" at the end all wanna be theories bring it down to a few people...

And i do know enough
I agree with Bbucko... Expect of china ;)
 
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I posted pretty much the same thing in a different thread focusing on 9/11, but that was a while ago, so here goes:

I find many flaws and holes the the official story of what happened that day. In fact, I doubt we'll ever really know the whole truth. These flaws are, in my view, attempts at ass-covering by the most arrogant and hubristic administration since Richard Nixon was forced to resign. I don't believe that they planned or executed it. They just underestimated Al Qaeda's determination to actually do it; they ignored key warnings for months. I believe that 9/11 genuinely terrified them.

So I don't believe that it was an inside job. Rather I think it was the work of twisted and barbaric men in the thrall of a charismatic religious fundamentalist. They considered themselves martyrs, not terrorists.

As to this whole New World Order thing: I don't really get that, either. The Afghan war was clearly retaliatory. Though the hijackers were Saudi subjects, the Taliban supported Al Qaeda, giving them a base from which the could operate. Unfortunately, the war was botched early on and remains our longest military conflict to date.

I was never a supporter of the invasion and occupation of Iraq. The bit I knew of Saddam was that he brutally suppressed religious fundamentalism. There was no way he could have worked with Al Qaeda/bin Laden. And, much like Afghanistan, it was poorly thought-out with no exit strategy. It was also sold on false pretenses. When Colin Powell learned the truth, he left public life for good.

The world today is a very different place from the one I grew up in. At least in the US we are measurably less free. However, the world is much larger than just my country. Soviet Communism has collapsed, and capitalist democracies have been established in its place, with varying degrees of success. The Arab Spring gives me thoughtful hope that, at least in some places, capitalist democracies will spread there, too. As the economy booms in China, I believe that democratic reforms will be seen there, too. So, in general, the world is more free than it was in 1980.

I don't believe in puppet-masters or a shadow world government. There are many way of manipulating the masses, but I'm hard-pressed to see any one single set of ideas in play.
QFT.
 

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Oh i understand realy good what your point is... And again the world doesnt work like this. If you would know more about how it works you wouldnt believe sutch rubbish...
No matter if you call it "a ring of people" a "NGO" a "organisation" or "secret organisation" at the end all wanna be theories bring it down to a few people...

And i do know enough
I agree with Bbucko... Expect of china ;)

Then please, since I'm so un-knowledgeable about geopolitics...school me
 

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you believe that "9/11 genuinely terrified them". Dude, you are talking about the USA, who have weapons of mass destruction and could, if they had to, easily intercept any plans of a terrorist attack.
What you speak about shows the level of brainwashing of yourself and most of the public. If what you believe is true, which seems to be the case, then you know everything that the NSA, CIA and all government organisations know, very unlikely.

You just have to have a really open mind in order to find out what is true and what is not. If things were not kept such a secret, then life would be very different. Why would a benovolent government have to manipulate it's own people? Things are happening that we are not aware of and all I am sure is that I don't believe what is being told to the mainstream.
Why is critical thinking being eradicated from schools?

I posted pretty much the same thing in a different thread focusing on 9/11, but that was a while ago, so here goes:

I find many flaws and holes the the official story of what happened that day. In fact, I doubt we'll ever really know the whole truth. These flaws are, in my view, attempts at ass-covering by the most arrogant and hubristic administration since Richard Nixon was forced to resign. I don't believe that they planned or executed it. They just underestimated Al Qaeda's determination to actually do it; they ignored key warnings for months. I believe that 9/11 genuinely terrified them.

So I don't believe that it was an inside job. Rather I think it was the work of twisted and barbaric men in the thrall of a charismatic religious fundamentalist. They considered themselves martyrs, not terrorists.

As to this whole New World Order thing: I don't really get that, either. The Afghan war was clearly retaliatory. Though the hijackers were Saudi subjects, the Taliban supported Al Qaeda, giving them a base from which the could operate. Unfortunately, the war was botched early on and remains our longest military conflict to date.

I was never a supporter of the invasion and occupation of Iraq. The bit I knew of Saddam was that he brutally suppressed religious fundamentalism. There was no way he could have worked with Al Qaeda/bin Laden. And, much like Afghanistan, it was poorly thought-out with no exit strategy. It was also sold on false pretenses. When Colin Powell learned the truth, he left public life for good.

The world today is a very different place from the one I grew up in. At least in the US we are measurably less free. However, the world is much larger than just my country. Soviet Communism has collapsed, and capitalist democracies have been established in its place, with varying degrees of success. The Arab Spring gives me thoughtful hope that, at least in some places, capitalist democracies will spread there, too. As the economy booms in China, I believe that democratic reforms will be seen there, too. So, in general, the world is more free than it was in 1980.

I don't believe in puppet-masters or a shadow world government. There are many way of manipulating the masses, but I'm hard-pressed to see any one single set of ideas in play.
 

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lucky8... It would take to mutch time ;) again, it isnt as easy as to say ther are a few people...
but as a tip, learn more of the way how economy works... In special the basics, this should be enough to notice that it isnt possible what you are saying... If not let me know and i tell you economical theories that proof your wrong

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Yes america has weapons of mass distruction but how will you stop with this a plain? - this question shows just the proble...
Your hole defence was to defeat america from an enemy from abroad the usa... When you thought of an attacking plain bevor 2001, you would instantly think of a military plain from another country... and NOT of a zivil plain in america...
Thats why it warnt soooo easy to stop the plains as you try make it
 

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That is where conspiracy theories are born from, these people, including myself don't believe any of this, however, unfortunately, as much evidence as we can deliever to provide a sound case, without the REAL people responisble for it confessing to it, or without great empirical evidence being brought forward to convict these people of these crimes then no one will really get a proper answer. . . .

Also, like you said about their being no connections between Barack Obama and the 9/11 attacks, well there wouldn't be, would there? Most things are kept well hidden from the public eye, and the government will only release certain knowledge, like what you presented, which seems from an outside perspective to being entirely conclusive and believable, although, other evidence suggests otherwise.
If all the evidence that supports your case is of the "hidden" sort, how do you distinguish between your theory and paranoiac fantasy?
 

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I'm not going to take you serious anymore, you seem to be illiterate and I can't make out what you are trying to say. As for telling Lucky8 to go and learn how the economy works, I think you should learn first about how the government works.
The economy is a deriviative of the social construct, money, which is developed by the government at some point in time, how is learning about a subject constructed by the government supposed to help him in his findings over the 9/11 attacks, new world order and government control?

lucky8... It would take to mutch time ;) again, it isnt as easy as to say ther are a few people...
but as a tip, learn more of the way how economy works... In special the basics, this should be enough to notice that it isnt possible what you are saying... If not let me know and i tell you economical theories that proof your wrong

Bigboy10
Yes america has weapons of mass distruction but how will you stop with this a plain? - this question shows just the proble...
Your hole defence was to defeat america from an enemy from abroad the usa... When you thought of an attacking plain bevor 2001, you would instantly think of a military plain from another country... and NOT of a zivil plain in america...
Thats why it warnt soooo easy to stop the plains as you try make it
 

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It is not my theory. It is the collective theory of "9/11 truthers", many who are the victim's families, you're saying you know more than them?
How do YOU distinguish between believing what you are told by the government and deciding for yourself with common sense asnd logic what is going on. Do YOU have a paranoiac fantasy that your government is benovolent or are you simply brainwashed, because it could be said that you are the one that can't tell fact from fiction. So a non-fictional event or belief for you is anything you are told by anyone in power?

If all the evidence that supports your case is of the "hidden" sort, how do you distinguish between your theory and paranoiac fantasy?
 
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