9-11 wasn't that bad

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Living in America, I guess she has a right to ask that question however dumb, anti-American and disloyal it is.(it)!
Well, since it refers to "your country" third person, I'm guessing it isn't living in the USA.

It's just a recycled previously-banned troll.

Is that you, btrell? I recognize your style.
 

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Wow, I hate to say it, because I disagree with her argument, but I agree with pretend woman on one point. You people really aren't open to discourse on this topic at all.
 

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Wow, I hate to say it, because I disagree with her argument, but I agree with pretend woman on one point. You people really aren't open to discourse on this topic at all.

If this was intended to be a discussion on 9 11 she would have phrased her post a dam sight better than 'was it really that bad'.

You are confusing legitimate discussion with shit stiring.
 

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Let's have a legitimate discussion. I'll play devil's advocate.

9/11 was not as bad as we've been brainwashed into believing. 6568 people die in the united states on average per day. (N C H S - FASTATS - Deaths/Mortality) 7 years ago, for one day, that number was increased by 30%. Ever since then we have been indoctrinated by the government and self-serving media into feeling that it was far worse than it actually was. It has led us into war on false pretenses. It has caused the death and injury of countless foreign innocents, by our hand.

For these reasons, I argue that 9/11 was not "that bad", or rather, not "as bad as we've been conditioned to believe."
 

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I mean really, it wasn't, was it?

Not only they killed thousands of innocent people but most of all, 911 attack gave the opportunity to Bush and his friends to invent the phantomatic "network of terror" (actually Mr.Rumsfield recycled his previous faked idea of network of communist terrorists) that brought a new wave of fascism around the world and an erosion of people's rights in many supposedly civilized countries around the world, still perceivable today after many years.

wasn't that bad?

I suggest you to watch this (long) BBC documentary, description here:

BBC NEWS | Programmes | The Power of Nightmares: Baby It's Cold Outside

you can watch it here, it's chopped up on youtube:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
 

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Let's have a legitimate discussion. I'll play devil's advocate.

9/11 was not as bad as we've been brainwashed into believing. 6568 people die in the united states on average per day. (N C H S - FASTATS - Deaths/Mortality) 7 years ago, for one day, that number was increased by 30%. Ever since then we have been indoctrinated by the government and self-serving media into feeling that it was far worse than it actually was. It has led us into war on false pretenses. It has caused the death and injury of countless foreign innocents, by our hand.

For these reasons, I argue that 9/11 was not "that bad", or rather, not "as bad as we've been conditioned to believe."

This is not a legitimate question either, in fact this is an equally embaressing statement.

Again I refer you to this:

YouTube - September 11th Twin Towers - Shows Jumpers Landed

Your argument appears to be reasoned by, well people die anyway.

While that's true, dying of old age or sickness is somewhat more human than being fored to jump to your death or stay and be incinerated in burning jet fuel.

Just what conditioning are you refering to?

Furthermore the only devils advocate in this is, literally, Osama Bin Laden.
 

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Let's have a legitimate discussion. I'll play devil's advocate.

9/11 was not as bad as we've been brainwashed into believing. 6568 people die in the united states on average per day. (N C H S - FASTATS - Deaths/Mortality) 7 years ago, for one day, that number was increased by 30%. Ever since then we have been indoctrinated by the government and self-serving media into feeling that it was far worse than it actually was. It has led us into war on false pretenses. It has caused the death and injury of countless foreign innocents, by our hand.

For these reasons, I argue that 9/11 was not "that bad", or rather, not "as bad as we've been conditioned to believe."

I believe you are trying to refer to the US governments abuse of the shock and greif this insident cause in the whole of the US nation if not the western world, to declare an open ended war, the so called war on terror. This is a seperate discussion then that of was the 9 11 insident really that bad.

Compared to lunch yesterday, 9 11 was a inhuman tragady.
Compared to the atom bombs of Japan, it was a walk in the park.

Is that really what you're saying?
 

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I guess, what I'm saying RugbyPup, is exactly that the shock and grief were abused by the administration and the media. Would we look the same way on 9/11 if it weren't used to scare us into political submission through the last 7 years? If it weren't constantly referenced by politicians with agendas?

Our guts may say "yes" but we can't really know. The media has an inexorable hold on us, one that is very hard to fully comprehend.

Was 9/11 bad? Oh yeah. Was it that bad? Well... it depends on what we mean by "that".

All I'm arguing (for the sake of argument, more or less) is that 9/11 was not as bad as we were led to believe. I define "that bad" that way- "bad enough to start a war".