9 Signs of America in Decline

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  1. B_VinylBoy

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    Interesting article on US News & World Report which shows some pretty alarming statistics regarding the state of our Nation. http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2009/10/26/9-signs-of-america-in-decline

    A 9.3% unemployment rate projection for 2010, with economic growth targeted at only 1.9%. A 17% poverty rate, which is the third worst amongst all advanced nations. Poor scores in Math & Science literacy. 27th place in overall health. Obesity rate is the worst among all advanced nations.

    Meanwhile, too many people are more content to use their hands to point fingers at the other side or throw their fists in the air over some phony outrage regarding issues they don't even fully understand the complexity of themselves. With too many greedy people, who only associate their happiness with the amount of numbers before the decimal point, pulling at the emotional strings of the easily duped. Wolves in sheep's clothing pretending to be "just like you", convincing people desperate for a path to prosperity that the person sitting next to them is the problem.

    Is there any wonder why some people are bitter & frustrated in this nation?
     
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    Damn those socialist Scandinavian countries. They just deliberately try to make us look bad.
     
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    Well many people have been predicting double digit unemployment, so 9.3 isn't quite THAT bad, although it sucks.

    Economic growth in America has been based on bullshit for years, so a full recovery isn't likely to happen unless we start producing more. We became a service nation a while back, and places like Pittsburgh and Detroit are testaments to that.

    Although it's only a small part of why America is declining.
     
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    I don't want to sound nasty, but when a system is only based on tipping and on lack of personal responsibility (the CYA - cover your ass - policy), it cannot be a "service nation".
     
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    I haven't seen the data used to arrive at this figure, but I'd wager it's actually worse than this. The numerical threshold established for the "official" poverty line in this country is ridiculously low.
     
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    What are you talking about?
     
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    Agreed. The author of this piece probably went by a study with figures reported from sources like the Census or the IRS. I'm sure many others aren't even counted.
     
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    I think He must mean we need to convert to a Nudist colony.

    Bring on the cottage cheese.
     
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    I think he's referring to waiters/waitresses, but that doesn't encompass the whole of a service economy.

    The rest is gobbledygook however.
     
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    Just wait until the world jettisons the dollar.

    We're in for some serious restructuring. The nation is in decline and like the Soviets, we're going to be faced with a guns-or-butter proposition.
     
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    It's called a recession. On average, we get one about every 5 or 6 years.

    And after GDP numbers were released today, we are officially out of the recession. Not that things are great, but it's better to be out of it than still in.

    I wonder how these 'signs of decline' looked a short 2 years ago - in October 2007? And I wonder how they will look 2 short years ahead - when we are in a full-on recovery?

    More chicken little hyperventilating from the desperate media.

    U.S. Blues and World Retort.
     
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    That's a load and you know it, this is a recession based on the collapse of pure and utter bullshit. Most of the jobs lost are lost, we only had "growth" in recent years because it was made up, there wasn't actually any.

    Things will not return to the way they were, and many people are projecting double digit unemployment as a mainstay. We don't produce anything in America, and many businesses and industries were held aloft by credit, and money people did not have.

    Things will not be hunky dory, they may get better, but will not be as they were.
     
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    Ha Ha Ha!!! 7 of ten years during the great depression, we had increasing GDP, with the gretest happening in 1934, 8% rise in GDP.


    HA HA HA!!!

    And you are wrong, we are not officially out of the recession yet. You need to read more than the headline of an article next time.

    from the BBC:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8331497.stm


    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND

    most of that GDP growth was due to cash for clunkers, and the $8000 "first-time" homebuyers credit.
     
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    And what do you think the Americans are going to choose?

    From my cold, dead hands indeed.
     
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    That's the core truth at the heart of the problems.

    People wonder how the hell Madoff managed to pull off such an enormous and elaborate Ponzi scheme in this modern age...the simple answer is that our entire economy has become one big Ponzi scheme. Our society is unsustainably top-heavy, with very little generation of anything substantive or worthwhile. Tons of bankers and lawyers, with even more pursuing JD's and MBAs as we speak...people who do almost nothing but shuffle papers and rearrange numbers. The few manufacturing industries we have left are rotting under the weight of neglect and archaic management, barely kept afloat by public subsidization.

    Prime example: agriculture. Poverty and famine is endemic in parts of the world, our exports are in a tailspin, and our government pays farming co-ops to NOT grow crops? Brilliant.

    But just keep on buying shit you can't afford on credit, and keep on being slaves to your debt, America...you're living the dream!
     
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    You're absolutely right. Oh, and the cake is a lie.
     
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    Yeah... it is so difficult for us to hark back to our glory days, when we were the manufacturing engine of the world, back when Government charged the wealthy a 50% tax rate, back when there was an inheritance tax t take some of that money that keeps flowing to the top and re-distribute it in the form of public works, infrastructure, research grants, grants to the arts... y'all remember, back in those halcyon days of 1954 thru 1962 when the US WASN'T fighting some pointless war... much less two?

    Folks who believe government is the problem have created a government that is a problem. Folks who think cutting taxes to the people who derive the greatest benefit from this society is somehow gonna magically result in better lives for the middle class and poor... Former fuck buddies of Ayn Rand's instituting economic polices predicated upon a ridiculous notion that the rich are better people than the poor.

    For all those who bemoan redistribution of wealth, ask yourselves this simple analogous question... what would happen to the supply of fresh water if evaporation and precipitation did not re-distribute all that water?

    The truly rich are worthless... the only thing they do that acts toward productivity is when they spend their money, or invest it, or give it to worthwhile causes...

    It's the MONEY they have that is useful... not them.
    So take half of it back and let the government determine how to apply those funds to the public works and investment in economic future might keep the US from slipping downhill.

    IT is ALWAYS the conservatives and wealthy classes that prevent a nation from progressing...
    And when nations stop progressing... they wither.
     
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    Oh, I do! I do, Mr. Phil. And I'm pissed as Hell that now I can't buy a new 1956 T-Bird with a giant V8 at my Ford dealer today! :biggrin1:
     
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    How about a 10th sign for roundness's sake?

    40-45% of Americans are full-blown creationists in the 21st century, complete with 6,000-year-old universe delusions and all...and those Americans don't believe in condoms either...
    :wizard:


     
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    Nope. You are wrong. Positive GDP growth for the 3rd quarter officially ends the recession in the U.S.

    Good thinking -- quoting a British link when the OP is referencing the US in decline. You do know that Great Britain and the United States are different don't you?

    You see, Britain is on the other side of the Atlantic.


    Source? "Most of GDP Growth was due to clunkers and homebuyers credit?" That is outlandishly foolish and ignorant.

    You, sir, are a fool.
     
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