9 Signs of America in Decline

[D_Stanford Dedwillie III]

That's a load and you know it, this is a recession based on the collapse of pure and utter bullshit. Most of the jobs lost are lost, we only had "growth" in recent years because it was made up, there wasn't actually any.

Things will not return to the way they were, and many people are projecting double digit unemployment as a mainstay. We don't produce anything in America, and many businesses and industries were held aloft by credit, and money people did not have.

Things will not be hunky dory, they may get better, but will not be as they were.

It's not a load. I agree that the recession was spurned by the collapse in credit markets...and that credit will never be the same.

But we will return to roughly 3% GDP growth year over year, as we have for the last 100+ years.

When you say we don't produce anything what exactly are you referring to? Our manufacturing sector is shrinking; but the service sector has been growing at a nice clip for some time.

We still dominate in the production of technology. There are more jobs in technology growth than in making sneakers and handbags.

 

[B_New End]

Nope. You are wrong. Positive GDP growth for the 3rd quarter officially ends the recession in the U.S.

Good thinking -- quoting a British link when the OP is referencing the US in decline. You do know that Great Britain and the United States are different don't you?

You see, Britain is on the other side of the Atlantic.

The article was about the U.S. economy.

Source? "Most of GDP Growth was due to clunkers and homebuyers credit?" That is outlandishly foolish and ignorant.

Motor vehicle output added 1.66 percentage points to the third-quarter change in real GDP after

News Release: Gross Domestic Product

That's almost half right there.

You, sir, are a fool.

Do you seriously think taling like an 18th century Brit politician lends credence to your stupidity? You are getting owned, son. Sit down, shut up, and you might learn something.

 

[JustAsking]

How about a 10th sign for roundness's sake?

40-45% of Americans are full-blown creationists in the 21st century, complete with 6,000-year-old universe delusions and all...and those Americans don't believe in condoms either...
:wizard:

Yes that belongs in the top ten as well. It is a symptom of an underlying serious problem in the USA.

 

[B_spiker067]

How about a 10th sign for roundness's sake?

40-45% of Americans are full-blown creationists in the 21st century, complete with 6,000-year-old universe delusions and all...and those Americans don't believe in condoms either..

If public schools have been unable to teach evolution effectively, and birth control for that matter, then maybe its time we let them have their school vouchers. Public schools seems to have failed miserably.

 

[Zeuhl34]

If public schools have been unable to teach evolution effectively, and birth control for that matter, then maybe its time we let them have their school vouchers. Public schools seems to have failed miserably.

Giving school vouchers will make private schools just as overcrowded and lessen their effectiveness. Their high standards are a result of selectiveness. You're simply shifting a bunch of under-inspired students from one school system to another.

 

[jason_els]

If public schools have been unable to teach evolution effectively, and birth control for that matter, then maybe its time we let them have their school vouchers. Public schools seems to have failed miserably.

Those numbers are so startling to me that I confirmed them in several other polls and the numbers are about the same. It's truly pitiful. If we aren't teaching the arts and we're not teaching science, what the hell are we teaching in schools?

 

[B_New End]

what the hell are we teaching in schools?

conformity, submission, globalism & materialism.

And I am in the process of writing a list of 100 signs of America on the decline.

 

[B_spiker067]

Giving school vouchers will make private schools just as overcrowded and lessen their effectiveness. Their high standards are a result of selectiveness. You're simply shifting a bunch of under-inspired students from one school system to another.

You haven't been apprised of the current economic dilemma private schools are in given this economy.

And still it is a better option than doing nothing. I know of no better evolutionists who didn't have kids until they could afford them than friends of mine who went to catholic school.

 

[B_New End]

And still it is a better option than doing nothing. I know of no better evolutionists who didn't have kids until they could afford them than friends of mine who went to catholic school.

There is no solution. Vouchers will just send them to creationist/abstinence schools. The biggest problem is thinking the teachers can solve the problems caused by poor parenting. All resistance is futile.

 

[jason_els]

Giving school vouchers will make private schools just as overcrowded and lessen their effectiveness. Their high standards are a result of selectiveness. You're simply shifting a bunch of under-inspired students from one school system to another.

Not at all. Private schools are free not to expand their enrollment. Vouchers may be very nice but at the most, they take the place of scholarships. Private schools depend upon independent financing in addition to tuition. To do that, they want parents with deep pockets and students who will go on to be big earners and give money to the school. Private schools are free to accept or reject any student they like so there's no imperative to accept unmotivated or just plain mediocre students. If vouchers are approved, private schools will accept a few of the best voucher candidates while relying on the paying students (and their parents) for the rest.

 

[B_spiker067]

Not at all. Private schools are free not to expand their enrollment. Vouchers may be very nice but at the most, they take the place of scholarships. Private schools depend upon independent financing in addition to tuition. To do that, they want parents with deep pockets and students who will go on to be big earners and give money to the school. Private schools are free to accept or reject any student they like so there's no imperative to accept unmotivated or just plain mediocre students. If vouchers are approved, private schools will accept a few of the best voucher candidates while relying on the paying students (and their parents) for the rest.

Was fact may still be: it costs less to send a kid to most regular private schools than to send them to public school.

 

[jason_els]

conformity, submission, globalism & materialism.

And I am in the process of writing a list of 100 signs of America on the decline.

Is it? Did you attend public schools at all? I really don't know and you're half my age so likely know far more about what's current than I do.

 

[jason_els]

Was fact may still be: it costs less to send a kid to most regular private schools than to send them to public school.

Is it? Does that include parochial and independents? Independents are in the $25k and up per year range here in the northeast. They ain't cheap.

I'm full of questions tonight!

 

[B_New End]

Is it? Did you attend public schools at all? I really don't know and you're half my age so likely know far more about what's current than I do.

I did attend public schools. Part of Generation X. I missed out on Generation RX. Just because schools teach a particular curriculum, does not mean that the students will learn, but I was actually talking more about the lessons social pressures teach in public schools, not what the teachers are teaching.

 

[jason_els]

I did attend public schools. Part of Generation X. I missed out on Generation RX. Just because schools teach a particular curriculum, does not mean that the students will learn, but I was actually talking more about the lessons social pressures teach in public schools, not what the teachers are teaching.

Oh wait. I thought you were 22, not 32. Egads! Oops... I need glasses.:redface:

 

[B_spiker067]

Is it? Does that include parochial and independents? Independents are in the $25k and up per year range here in the northeast. They ain't cheap.

Jason, not all private schools qualify as those that educate the Ivy League legacy born.

 

[jason_els]

I did attend public schools. Part of Generation X. I missed out on Generation RX. Just because schools teach a particular curriculum, does not mean that the students will learn, but I was actually talking more about the lessons social pressures teach in public schools, not what the teachers are teaching.

OK, I really screwed up that post. I pressed the button before I was done.

I agree that schools do teach those things, some more than others. What bothers me is that kids seem to come out of school, and I include lots of colleges in that, entirely unprepared for the world at large. They can barely write, don't know how to research, are unfamiliar with formal argument, debate, and have no public speaking skills. They don't even seem to remember anything they've studied previously. It's rather shocking.

 

[jason_els]

Jason, not all private schools qualify as those that educate the Ivy League legacy born.

OK, but other than parochial and independents, what else is there? I know parochial schools try to keep costs down and can do so using church-sponsorship and low-paid laity. How would an independent manage to do this without a huge endowment? I don't know of a single primary or secondary school that can afford to not charge tuition (unlike Yale School of Music which will now be free to all students thanks to a gigantic ($100 million) gift).

 

[B_spiker067]

OK, but other than parochial and independents, what else is there? I know parochial schools try to keep costs down and can do so using church-sponsorship and low-paid laity. How would an independent manage to do this without a huge endowment? I don't know of a single primary or secondary school that can afford to not charge tuition (unlike Yale School of Music which will now be free to all students thanks to a gigantic ($100 million) gift).

Yale, Harvard, et al have BILLIONS in trust funds raised from alumni.

As far as your curiosity on tuition at private primary and secondary schools go.... I'd imagine google might work.

 

[jason_els]

Yale, Harvard, et al have BILLIONS in trust funds raised from alumni.

As far as your curiosity on tuition at private primary and secondary schools go.... I'd imagine google might work.

It does. I asked you because you implied that not all schools are $25k+ or more a year and I was asking what schools weren't because I don't see how they couldn't be given staffing and facility costs.

I thought you might know given that you spoke about it.