9 Trillion Reasons HealthCare May Be Dead

[Industrialsize]

action.firedoglake.com | Sign the petition to the House: Stay firm on your pledge for the public option

 

[b.c.]

Why don't you people give a shit about a $9 trillion deficit? You fuckers need to understand that this is money that has to be paid back through taxes...Oh wait, I think i just realized why none of you care...you'll be dead by the time WE (my generation) has to deal with the absurd deficits and debts that your generation has so selfishly bestowed upon us. You've been trying to insure yourselves an easy, paid-for retirement the last couple decades. You almost made it. If only you could have propped up the Ponzi scheme for another decade, you baby boomers would have lived the easy life. I can't say that I feel sorry for any of you. You made your own bed, and now you must sleep in it. Thanks in advance guys.

Could you be referring to that big financial hole Bubba got us into in the first place?

But you're right. We silly bastards... working our asses off and paying into a fund that we'll never collect one dime from. Maybe should cut our losses...cut out medicare and all that shit. Yessiree....

Better still, we should'a gone the smart way: Lose billions of dollars in assets, fuck over investors, get federal bailouts, and pocket million dollar bonuses.

What schmucks we were, eh?

 

[midlifebear]

Thanks for the link to the petition. Seems like I've been doing a lot of e-mail petition signing these days.

 

[Elmer Gantry]

Not enough taxation, combined with too much spending.

Enough taxation, waaaaaaaaayyyyyy too much spending.

And debt servicing.

 

[Elmer Gantry]

What schmucks we were, eh?

You still are shmucks for not asing where all of this money is going.

 

[Trinity]

Not dead. Dems will go it alone if need be.

Remember Pelosi was claiming she had the votes just a few weeks ago? yeah...The blue dog Democrats The extreme left wanted even more from a bill than what is currently in H.R. 3200 and wouldn't vote for it

Conrad: The votes aren't in the Senate to support the public option

For the American People: There are definitely 9 trillion reasons ObamaCare may be dead.

 

[b.c.]

You still are shmucks for not asing where all of this money is going.

It's been going all along. Now you want to ask?

 

[houtx48]

And . . . I might add . . . you've become a better person for it. :smile:..............lol

 

[mikeyh9in]

Not enough taxation, combined with too much spending.

Obviously we did not cut the taxes of the richest 1% of Americans enough.

 

[mikeyh9in]

Remember Pelosi was claiming she had the votes just a few weeks ago? yeah...The blue dog Democrats The extreme left wanted even more from a bill than what is currently in H.R. 3200 and wouldn't vote for it

Conrad: The votes aren't in the Senate to support the public option

For the American People: There are definitely 9 trillion reasons ObamaCare may be dead.

There are 18,000 Americans each year that die because of lack of affordable health care. So there are 18,000 reason, why NONE of us should allow healthcare reform to die.

We need to start raising taxes... and we should start by putting the tax rates back to what Clinton had them at in 1994.

 

[Industrialsize]

Remember Pelosi was claiming she had the votes just a few weeks ago? yeah...The blue dog Democrats The extreme left wanted even more from a bill than what is currently in H.R. 3200 and wouldn't vote for it

Conrad: The votes aren't in the Senate to support the public option

For the American People: There are definitely 9 trillion reasons ObamaCare may be dead.

You keep espousing that a majority of americans don't support the Public Option. WRONG!
New Poll: 77 Percent Support "Choice" Of Public Option

More than three out of every four Americans feel it is important to have a "choice" between a government-run health care insurance option and private coverage, according to a public opinion poll released on Thursday.

New Poll: 77 Percent Support "Choice" Of Public Option

 

[Trinity]

There are 18,000 Americans each year that die because of lack of affordable health care. So there are 18,000 reason, why NONE of us should allow healthcare reform to die.

Massachusetts instituted universal health reform and it is near collapse in costs and it did not increase access or better care.

Canada is looking to add private insurance to their health care plan.

If the plan and approach is not the right one, we won't be making things better only worse for alot more people.

 

[mikeyh9in]

Massachusetts instituted universal health reform and it is near collapse in costs and it did not increase access or better care.

Canada is looking to add private insurance to their health care plan.

If the plan and approach is not the right one, we won't be making things better only worse for alot more people.

Yes, and if you look at the plan currently under consideration... a hybrid that has both a Government run option PLUS private insurance is allowed to continue as is. This is similar to what France has... oh, and it was rated the #1 healthcare system in the world (our was #37).

We should allow debate... not the thuggry espoused by the Republicans that is currently trying to stop debate.

As our % of GDP is being consumed by healthcare costs continues to rise (currently at 17%), we, as a nation, are becoming less competitive in the world. Healthcare costs in the US will destroy America.

 

[Trinity]

You keep espousing that a majority of americans don't support the Public Option. WRONG!
New Poll: 77 Percent Support "Choice" Of Public Option

More than three out of every four Americans feel it is important to have a "choice" between a government-run health care insurance option and private coverage, according to a public opinion poll released on Thursday.

New Poll: 77 Percent Support "Choice" Of Public Option

1. The Votes aren't in the Senate and never have been for the public option per Conrad.

2. The WH and Obama saw the townhalls (the American People saying in no uncertain terms that the Government would make a mess of healthcare)and heard the Senators and dumped the Public Option.

3. From your own article:

Earlier in the week, after pollsters for NBC dropped the word "choice" from their question on a public option, they found that only 43 percent of the public were in favor of "creating a public health care plan administered by the federal government that would compete directly with private health insurance companies."

Huffingtonpost.com

 

[Industrialsize]

It's all about the wording. The most recent NBC/WSJ poll included the words "government administered" and Rasmussen's polls include the word "Congressional"; those pollsters could argue, and correctly so, that these terms are entirely accurate and appropriate. However, the trick is that they add those terms to the question while at the same time omitting the word CHOICE. The SurveyUSA poll uses both the words choice and government, and finds 77% support for a public option, the highest number yet; in fact, people overwhelmingly want the choice of a government plan in every poll that words the question as such, but when they're asked about a government plan without any mentioning of choice, the numbers are closer.

 

[deleted15807]

Wording is everything:

BILL MOYERS: So the protests seem to be making some people more sympathetic to the protesters?


KATHLEEN HALL JAMIESON: And potentially the press then picks that up, polls, finds that sympathy, creates a structure that suggests that health care reform initiatives are losing support. Now polls have driven press coverage which says "Obama on the defensive. Obama struggling to explain. Obama trying," when, in fact, the dynamic under that has been created by a news structure that decided to cover this in a certain way, to do polling in a certain way. And those two things played into the process to make it more difficult for the discussion to actually happen about the substance of what's going on.

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And then the Trinity comes along and picks up those 'polls' and presents it as 'proof' Obama is on the wrong track.

 

[Trinity]

Yes, and if you look at the plan currently under consideration... a hybrid that has both a Government run option PLUS private insurance is allowed to continue as is. This is similar to what France has... oh, and it was rated the #1 healthcare system in the world (our was #37).

We should allow debate... not the thuggry espoused by the Republicans that is currently trying to stop debate.

As our % of GDP is being consumed by healthcare costs continues to rise (currently at 17%), we, as a nation, are becoming less competitive in the world. Healthcare costs in the US will destroy America.

France Fights Universal Care's High Cost

France claims it long ago achieved much of what today's U.S. health-care overhaul is seeking: It covers everyone, and provides what supporters say is high-quality care. But soaring costs are pushing the system into crisis. The result: As Congress fights over whether America should be more like France, the French government is trying to borrow U.S. tactics.
In recent months, France imposed American-style "co-pays" on patients to try to throttle back prescription-drug costs and forced state hospitals to crack down on expenses. "A hospital doesn't need to be money-losing to provide good-quality treatment," President Nicolas Sarkozy thundered in a recent speech to doctors.

2007: French Health Care Expert: France's System Broken, Should Copy US; Media Yawn

"It's true we really have good access, but what if the system is not sustainable anymore?" says Teil. "It's going to break. It's going to blow. And then no more accessibility for anybody."


/Tiel says the cost of France's socialized health care is growing faster than its economy. Workers pay about fifty percent of their paycheck each month into healthcare, retirement and unemployment and more companies are outsourcing jobs to avoid those costs. Quality of care also suffers in France, says Teil, because hospitals and doctors resist government requirements to report their success and failures.

2004:French healthcare is 'badly run'

France must make big changes to its health system in order to cut waste and increase efficiency, a government-commissioned report is warning

 

[deleted15807]

Talk about diversion

 

[Industrialsize]

At least the French are working to fix a system that covers everyone. We're working to fix a system that lets people die.

 

[Trinity]

At least the French are working to fix a system that covers everyone. We're working to fix a system that lets people die.

I do believe people in countries with socialized medicine who are waiting in long lines and dying in queue come here for treatment...if they can afford it.