A Bigger Penis: Yes It's Possible

[seahorses]

To Pe Tuition,

my friend i have no beef with you, but have you been to the Amazon site where this book was sold............?

there are dozens of products from Enlargement Creams to Herbal Teas yada yada ad nauseum that offer to provide increased PE and Powerful Orgasms and all the rest, if folks just send in their 39 dollars.......

none of the folks i've seen selling these products are board certified urologists , and i know a few, and they LOVE MONEY and would be HAPPY TO CLEAN UP if they could.

so when we see ads like this, we're rightly skeptical.

let me ask you since you have personal experience......

can you succinctly explain the procedure in 2-3 sentences, along with your before/after results, and any side effects ?

thanks pal.

At first I wasn’t going to bother getting involved; we’ve seen it all before, people who claim to have not the slights interest in PE., yet for some strange reason can’t resist visiting sites offering forums dedicated to the subject and where those that have not the slightest interest flatly denying PE works? Even though they claim never to have been involved in any form of PE and have no evidence to support the notion it doesn’t work, they still persist. Also, these people that have not the slightest interest in PE and have no evidence that it doesn’t work, are often driven to researching (the web, Amazon, whoever?) to try and prove that it doesn’t work, not forgetting they have not the slightest interest? Well, as I say, I wasn’t going to get involved but like hitting my head against a brick wall you’re giving me a fucking headache!
We, those of us that enjoy working out and those that have gained, by and large appreciate there’s an industry out there just dying to get its hands on our money. We also know that if it wasn’t for the gullible and foolish those companies would go out of business, because PE costs nothing. Which is probably why Urologist, butchers bakers candlestick makers uncle Tom Cobbly ‘n’ all aren’t rushing to add penis enlargement to their portfolio – no money in it. I mean, being an American, you probably understand that better than most. And why Urologists, I’m curious to know - how are they best placed to handle the subject?
As for the book, I understand, from extracts read here and there, it’s a compilation of most of the information freely and readily available and can be accessed via the web. As I see it, those who can’t be arsed to research, or want something other than a PC monitor to look at, buy the book. Interestingly, I was offered, by the author, a free copy of said book some time back, the offer coming via a PM. I don’t know the guy, we’ve never met and we live in different countries. I think his generosity stemmed purely from the fact that my name frequently appears on this and other related forums – you know, the ones where you wouldn’t dare show your face – and because, I like to think, I give a lot of my time to the community for free, he possibly felt I’d earned it? Anyhow, I passed because it involved giving out personal details and like I said the info is already there. However, I quite understand, having gone to the trouble of collating the information, compiling it into one concise book and having it published – with all the up front expenses - the author is now looking for a return. If he were a true businessman; an exploitative entrepreneur, he would also be paying for market research, though at $39 a copy (if that is the price) in a niche market, I doubt it.
I gather from your bleating; the questions you ask: summing up PE in a sentence or two, before and after results and information on side effects, that you’re one I referred to earlier and can’t be arsed to research. Or is it you come here just to be a nuisance - someone that while they can’t be arsed to do PE themselves, are jealous of those that do and the results that some experience? I mean, if you were really serious, then you would put forward some concrete evidence and explain how and why exactly PE doesn’t work, not just come here and call people liars.
Another thing I’m wondering, looking at your details, is whether or not your Rugby pup back under another name – that wouldn’t surprise me either.

 

[tripod]

Well... I too do not want to wade into this matter like Seahorses. I will however, put my two cents in out of respect to Big Al.

This forum is filled with snake oil salesmen, bullies, a few kind hearted individuals that actually do a dedicated PE routine and a bunch of people that barely know what they are talking about. I don't post in this forum any more, it is just an outlet for bullies to try and hurt others.

So... I was reading the posts and everyone was talking about Big Al being a spammera nd I was like, "What the fuck? How is he a spammer?"

and then I clicked on the links in his sig...

Hmmm... interesting to say the least.

No comment.

Now, as far as successful PE goes... it is VERY difficult.

Lord knows, I have had a dickens of a time getting my penis to cooperate with me into inflating to a giant sausage... I have fallen down and picked myself up MANY times.

You have to just keep on going though... and soldier on.

I am primarily a pumper and seldom jelq or stretch... that is... I used to not jelq or stretchhardly at all, but I now jelq and stretch regularly.

I have been concerned with getting my skin used to expanding like a balloon... that has been the hardest part of my PE experience... getting the RNA in my skin to grow new cells that cover more surface area than before.

VERY difficult... but well worth the battle.

Now that my cockskin's integrity is now at a higher and more natural level, I have been slowly working in some stretching and jelqing (manual PE can exert some REALLY strong force on your cockskin).

Jelqing and clamping have helped me to achieve a soft 8 inch girth during my pump sessions and I am now stretching for some additional length.

By the way... you need to stretch if you pump. The pumping can create some scar tissue in the tunica which needs to be gently stretched between pumping sessions... I have been neglecting this and that is why I haven't really gained any length during my whole pumping "career".

Penis enlargement is possible, but it is extremely difficult and time consuming...

Murphy's Law does apply to PE though, those with a rather large penis can make their penis much larger through PE, an individual with a smnall penis will only be able to enlarge his penis to that of maybe an anerage size.

 

[FuzzyKen]

Big Al wrote to me and ask if I would take the time to read this thread and comment on same.

To me, I do see the earmarks of a "commercial advertisement" in the original way things were posted, but that is not necessarily bad. I have been tempted myself to post some links to some of the most totally rediculous P.E. advertising on the planet. Some of the claims made for these are so idiotic as to be hilarious.

Not having read the book that made the statements and hence controversy as is mentioned in the original posting makes commenting more difficult.

My comment here is based only on what little information I have from what has already been said about that book in this thread.

I speak from the position of a man who came from a medical family and a man who spent more than a little time working with the late Gary Griffin before his sad passing over ten years ago. I have also had some experience with medical documentation.

I do basically view the book in question as a commercial venture with people trying to make a fast buck off of some questionable information. Today, this is so common as to not even raise an eyebrow.

What is sad is that all of these hustlers have taken PE and made it a political "hot potato" in the legitimate medical community in all respects. Surgeons trying to perfect techniques are frowned upon, people discussing the subject and trying to do something legitimate are quietly shunned from the places they need to be, and as a result PE itself suffers.

PE is not magic and there is no simple way to do it. Techniques surgical and otherwise that may prove beneficial in one individual will be a total failure in another with no real difference other than the genetics of the two individuals.

Surgical enlargement has been a mixed bag, and though there are happy campers, the long term results have not shown a great success rate. There are far too many problems, and, far too many people who five to seven years after their surgical procedures are not satisfied. The girth enhancement procedures have been particularly troublesome.

Gary Griffin did very extensive research and was a world traveler. He was fluent in many languages and for this reason was able to get information in numerous foreign coutries that would not have been accessible to others.

The final research that Gary did even according to Gary himself was full of problems. The largest problem being documentation. Documentation of before and after results was to say the least horrific. The reasons for this total lack of GOOD documentation is unclear.

What we basically had at the time that Gary passed on was that via manual manipulation techniques (jelq, kagels, etc.) that the best recorded that was any where near documentable was an increase in an adult male of about 2" (two inches). The average time to gain one inch was five years. What we wanted to make clear even at the time these statistics were originally published (as I remember somewhere between 1991 and 1994) was that it was possible that a few people had done better, but that there was no documentation that would stand up to any kind of scrutiny that could come even close to proving it.

The research at the time for those preferring vacuum as their modality were virtually identical to those who had chosen the manual manipulation techniques. We obtained virtually the same numbers.

In the past, when I have made comments on PE, I have ruffled a few feathers. Some individuals have made postings, and, in doing so simply made the assumption that because they have made these postings that the rest of us should accept everything said as if it was documeted truth without question.

There is a major problem and a total lack of understanding here. What those individuals do not understand is that I do not question them, I question the documentation or lack of same.

The reality is: If you see a particle of the moon break off and float away into space it does not matter if you see it or if 2 million people see it, it would still be. The problem is that unless this particle was documented on film as it made it's exit from the lunar surface, the scientific community must question the validity of the claim.

This posting to me consists of a "heads-up" on a publication that is yet another of dubious value.

Guys, absolute honesty is in vogue here. There is a ton of money to be made on this subject. There are a ton of herbal products out there claiming by "implication" to perform penis enlargment. They get around the FDA by not specifically mentioning the word "penis". One gets such roundabout ways as stating: "That special part of the male body.....", and other very vague descriptions.

These companies have made billions of dollars selling snake oil.

I have mentioned this a million times and I will mention it again:

Three years ago the FDA changed the way that they classify things.

A drug: Anything that has the capability of making changes on a cellular or molecular level.

A supplement: Promotes GENERAL health and not capable of making any kind of change on a cellular level and is in fact for the most part biologically inert.

Any of us, can go out and write a book on PE. As long as you do not represent yourself as an MD if you are not, you can say what you want. If you are lucky and manage to get your book promoted on the internet, you will be guaranteed to make a ton of money.

Kevin Trudeau the author of numerous books that all imply a government conspiracy has made a ton of change on giving non information. Chapter after chapter that in truth really don't give you much information. I in fact consider the writing absolute art in that so little is actually said in a total volume of words that is incredible. Mr. Trudeau is a master in his writing. Imply a great number of things, in fact say nothing, and then promote the next book as if more detailed information will be in that publication.

I see this as simply a heads up for a commercial venture. Posting on a commercial venture is neither good or bad. If people want to purchase and read the information that this commercial venture contains then it must be judged not on what it cost, but what they the readers gained in information from reading it.

 

[Snakebyte]

*1* Claims:

It promises you can increase volume 50%, by increasing length 1 inch and girth 0.5 inch.

My friend, that would only be a 50% increase for the TINIEST of penises.

But lets let them have their RARELY applicable statistic and return to the quantitative point..... 1 inch increase in length and 0.5 inch increase in girth.

I will start with something you may be surprised about.
A 6x5.5 cock is 49% bigger in volume than a 5x5 cock. As you may recognize this is a gain of exactly 1 inch in length and 0.5 in girth. Since 5x5 is a pretty average size I think I've just proven you wrong.

First of all (or let it be 2nd), I don't really get it. You just joined this board and yet you jump into the PE subforum and shine with your missing knowledge about the actual topic. We all do know that creams, pills and patches don't enlarge your penis. But actually in case they increase blood circulation you'll have benefits of these products when you use them beside your manual PE exercises. No need for bashing the one who started the topic, who is a contributing member of this forum by the way; what you are definetely not (yet). You don't believe in PE? Stay the f*ck outta here. There's no need for you to be here then unless you want to get people mad at you. If that's the case... go on and we'll have a good laugh about you.
There are only two reasons to visit this subsection:
a) You can contribute something useful
b) You're interested in increasing your knowledge about PE
What nobody ever needs are useless naysayers.

A Note On Penis Size
There's nothing wrong with getting the most out of what you got. But before you overtrain your penis by exercising it more than an hour a day, know that the average penis size is often misunderstood.

Many men who have an average-size penis automatically believe they are small. Whether it is due to a comment that a partner made, or the fact that another man in the locker room has a bigger penis than them, a lot of guys think they're smaller than they really are.

Pornography adds to this thinking. In the porn industry, men are often hired for their well-endowments. And for many men, the penis in Black Cock Down or Saving Ryan's Privates is the only other erect penis they have to compare too—which is an unrealistic picture of what average really is. Keep that in mind in your quest for a bigger penis.

The first chapter of this article is pretty wise. There are numbers floating around about the alleged average penis size. Almost in every study the test subjects measured themselves. You know what that means? Exaggeration. We have it every day here at LPSG. Men always lie about their size. That's a fact. The bottom line is: The average penis size is smaller than the stated one.
Another fact is, in porn they look for small guys with above average dicks which look even bigger because their body frame is small. Of course their some monsters in the business but the average porn cock isn't even that big. Camera effects often do the rest.
An important fact is also, that the flaccid size absolutely says nothing about the erected size.

Nevertheless. You feel inadequate in your lower region? Go for PE. You'll only benefit from it. If not a bigger dick, you will at least have better erections and eventually better control over ejaculating.

Just keep in mind that exercising too much is detrimental and even potentially dangerous. In the beginning, you'll want to start out extremely light and work your way up. Slow and steady not only helped the turtle win the race, it's also a great principle to following when building a bigger penis.

One of the most important facts about PE. Injuries are pretty rare. They mostly occur when newbies overdo the training. Some don't know when to stop. Sometimes I read threads like "blood out of my urethra" or something similar. For god's sake. That is definetely a sign that you're gone too far and need a break. Start slowly, let your penis get used to it and you'll see that after some work your little friend is ready for pretty hard exercises. (Just remember this guy pulling a truck with his dick)

There are several occurrences of men adding 3, 4, and even 5 inches to their penis.Nevertheless, not all men are so lucky, nor so dedicated. According to our penis enlargement survey, the men that exercised for three months or more gained on average: 1 inch in length, and a half an inch in girth (1" X .5").

The biggest mistake you can do is to expect too big gains in a too short time period. Set yourself small goals like 0.25" steps. If you start with "I want to add 2" inches to my dick" you will be frustrated pretty soon.
Also keep in mind that these initial gains are mostly because of better blood circulation. After these the process most likely will go slow.




This article is just a slight abstract of the comprehensive subject "Penis Enlargement". It obviously was intended to be an advertising for their book. As a matter of fact ALL information gathered in this book you'll also find free on the internet. The number one address should be thundersplace. (you'll find it by google)

Take care my friends

 

[Big Al]

I can understand why abound would ask why there are no urologists involved in the non-surgical PE industry. There actually are some [I'm not affiliated with any of the organizations or individuals listed below]:

Dr. Richard Wineland | Non-Invasive Penis Enlargement Specialist

Male Enhancement: Is It Worth a Try?

http://www.andromedical.org/pdf/moncada.pdf

http://www.andromedical.org/pdf/lizheng.pdf

http://www.andromedical.org/pdf/petrovich.pdf

http://www.andromedical.org/pdf/carlosvillanueva.pdf

http://www.andromedical.org/pdf/salhi.pdf

 

[Big Al]

Much of the data listed in the book can also be found free on Penis Enlargement Gym - Home.

 

[Freddie53]

I haven't investigated this site or any of the other link in this thread. If the owner, Rob_E, has given permission to post this, then it is a done deal.

I will make this comment. I know from personal experience that my penis has changed in size as my weight has gone up and then back down again. When I have been ill, the erection simply isn't as large.

Let's face it. An erection is caused by blood going into the penis. The more aroused a guy is, the larger the erection or at least it harder.

Everyone guy here past the age of 40 has had enough romances, health issues, weight gains and loses to know this is true.

I am not talking about going from four inches to eight inches. I'm not saying that that didn't happen to one guy out there. But I know that if any technique is going to do that for every guy, word would have gotten around by now.

I don't doubt that getting the penis erect regularly would increase the circulatory system of the penis.

But some common sense is needed. I totally understand the concern that some young guys might read this and do some damage to their penis by overdoing it.

Here is where we here in America don't do our teens any favors. We won't allow nurses and doctors to talk to teens and answer their questions at school. Teen guys will ask all those questions to an adult if it is an adult they trust and feel comfortable with. I know. I taught this at both school and church.

We should have a relationship with our doctor that is such that we can ask the doctor if certain exercises can hurt us. How to do them without hurting us. How we can do them to hurt our "little" fellas.

Unfortunately, most guys don't talk to a doctor about any of this until the doctor says it is time for the prostate test when guys are in their 40's. Urologists or people that have training in this area should be at schools explaining EVERYTHING to guys at appropriate ages.

But no, guys get their information from other guys which is usually not completely correct. We have internet sites taking advantage of guys of all ages. i don't know about this site, but...I know about many sites and magazine ads.

This is an adult site. But, our attitudes about discussing health issues is formed as children and teens, not as adults. Secondly, while we don't allow teens to join, we all know that there are teens that read the threads as guests.

I have no idea how effective these "techniques" are. But common sense and the fact that they aren't well known throughout the male part of society lets me know that in most cases, the gain is marginal. So a guy goes from 5.3 to 5.5. Due to weight, arousal etc, there is some fluctuation so it is difficult to be precise about just how much these "techniques" work.

Some one mentioned diets. I have been on one. So far I have gained six pounds. Water gain. I can see it in my legs. But still, all those rich foods I gave up. Meanwhile, someone else on the same diet loses 10 pounds in the same time period.

I suspect these "techniques" have similar results.

My main concern is that no guy does anything to hurt themselves. If you spend money on something that doesn't work, you are just out the money. Damage your penis, it won't matter what size it is if it won't work anymore.

One last comment: If our partners have a ruler and need to measure to see if we are worthy as a partner, we don't need that person in our sexual lives. We need to RUN from them as fast as we can as far as sex is concerned.

I won't to be considered as a person, not as a dick. If that is all I am to another person, then I don't need them.

 

[Snakebyte]

One last comment: If our partners have a ruler and need to measure to see if we are worthy as a partner, we don't need that person in our sexual lives. We need to RUN from them as fast as we can as far as sex is concerned.

I totally agree. But most complexes aren't caused directly by another person. You may be surprised that most of the guys doing PE do it for themselves, not for any partners. It may be stupid but for an huge number of men a bigger penis equals more self-confidence.

Well, at least I am impressed by your objective point of view. You don't come across such ubiased opinions often these days.
Kudos for ya my friend.

 

[Rikter8]

Im putting in my 0.02 because this is out of hand.

BigAl - I understand that you are trying to get the word out about different methods of PE. It is of everyone's best interest, including your own to steer clear of commercial sites, touting them to be "The One".
You have your opinion.
In My opinion, visitors to this thread, should proceed with Caution.

EVeryone in PE who have had success, such as myself has learned to become skeptical of new gadgets and gizmos. To me, this tends to read more like an advertisement. Sorry, but that's my opinion. Right wrong or indifferent. Continuously posting threads on devices, conveniently located in the advertisement header in this forum hurts your credibility.
Again - my opinion.
For those on here that HAVE had successful gains, we stick to what works.

Abound - you have 11 posts, as you have Joined in November. Most of them in this thread. I question your origin, and your legitamacy.
If you are indeed legitamate, then I would post your opinion, and leave it at that.
If you have an issue - you need to contact the moderating team and make your concern known.
Most importantly, you are using a blanketed statement that PE doesn't work, Which is incorrect.

My suggestion to the moderating team, would be to trash this thread and be done with it.
C

 

[Rikter8]

You may be surprised that most of the guys doing PE do it for themselves, not for any partners. It may be stupid but for an huge number of men a bigger penis equals more self-confidence.

Bingo.
Not everyone wants to double their size. Some men just want to be able to walk up to a urinal next to another guy and feel normal.

 

[D_N Flay Table]

I have seen great gains from PE.
From Stretching. ADS
Jelqing,
and manual stretching.

I wouldn't buy any pills for a bigger penis...
Just like I don't believe fat burners will give you 6 pack abs.
but BIG AL has been a great help to many, and might be worth listening to.

 

[2322]

Bingo.
Not everyone wants to double their size. Some men just want to be able to walk up to a urinal next to another guy and feel normal.

Precisely why I PE. I want to get to the point that I can wear ordinary condoms, not just the delicately-labeled, snugger fit models. Sure I'd love to be 8x6 but that ain't happening unless there's a giant breakthrough in gene therapy sometime soon. If I can gain 1" in either direction, I'll be wholly and completely average. I'm working for that day.

I too am very skeptical of the OP and can't believe all this energy is being wasted on a complete troll.

I've got a copy of Kemmer's book and I think it's a useful distillation of PE methods gleaned over time. It's a good place to find everything without a hassle and I can read it in the tub... which is where I do most of my reading. It's great for a quick reference or a total overview of what most men consider to be successful PE techniques. It's much quicker and easier to reference than to mine through an entire website trying to find an entire program in one place. Webblogs/message boards are poorly designed for hierarchical data spanning multiple forums and times.

It, or any other book, is no substitute for the vast knowledge of the big PE sites or the critical human interaction that makes any long-term personal improvement achievable for most people. A book cannot also keep-up on the latest developments. Do you need the book? No. Does it make things easier? Arguably. Is it nice to have? Yeah.

I wouldn't toss this thread out with the bathwater though. There are some excellent points being very well defended by the forum members here. Seahorses, Al, and tripod did a splendid job.

 

[D_Audemar_Awfulass]

What makes you so knowledgeable? I have almost two inches more since i started.

this is complete bullshit.

complete and total bullshit.

there is nothing you can do to increase or decrease your size (other than surgery which just rearranges things a little bit, very little, and at great risk of adverse reactions and unhappy results).


whoever posted this ought to be removed from the site by the manager.

Hey Mr Manager....... can you please remove SPAM ADS from this site ????????????

 

[seahorses]

Sorry about this guys, I don’t mean to sound uncharitable or to appear rude or aggressive, I can see the author has his heart in the right place, but where he’s coming from in expressing his concerns for the inexperienced, that I’m sure most share, is somewhere else - and I have to take issue.

I haven't investigated this site or any of the other link in this thread. If the owner, Rob_E, has given permission to post this, then it is a done deal.

I will make this comment. I know from personal experience that my penis has changed in size as my weight has gone up and then back down again. When I have been ill, the erection simply isn't as large. The effect of the fat pad in relationship to penis size is well documented, so no ground breaking news there. As for state of health affecting libido, again a no brainer.

Let's face it. An erection is caused by blood going into the penis. The more aroused a guy is, the larger the erection or at least it harder. If my wife grabs my cock and starts caressing it I become aroused. I wake up with a morning wood (more like a morning rock, in fact), I’m far from aroused; I just want to pee.

Everyone guy here past the age of 40 has had enough romances, health issues, weight gains and loses to know this is true. This is an assumption. Unless of course you’ve asked "Everyone guy here." But if so, you forgot to ask me!

I am not talking about going from four inches to eight inches. I'm not saying that that didn't happen to one guy out there. But I know that if any technique is going to do that for every guy, word would have gotten around by now. Word has gotten round? I mean, you’ve heard of one guy going from four to eight inches; you must be aware of how he attained that; the information is there, when you care to look for it. On the other hand PE is not something every man wants to do; like my old grandfather used to say, ‘If it was easy anyone could do it,’ consequently I persevered and became a musician; most people like music, but not everybody plays the piano – it takes dedication and is hard work.

I don't doubt that getting the penis erect regularly would increase the circulatory system of the penis. So will drugs, herbs and supplements.

But some common sense is needed. I totally understand the concern that some young guys might read this and do some damage to their penis by overdoing it. Now this is a possibility!


Here is where we here in America don't do our teens any favors. We won't allow nurses and doctors to talk to teens and answer their questions at school. Teen guys will ask all those questions to an adult if it is an adult they trust and feel comfortable with. I know. I taught this at both school and church. Like many others, including members of this board, I don’t live in America and can’t comment on what goes on there, but suffice it to say that attitudes towards sex education, (I can only think that’s what you’re referring to as you don’t specify what questions, but say they ought to be asked of doctors and nurses) differs throughout the rest of the world. Having said that PE has nothing to do with sex, only a means by which some might enjoy sex better and therefore may well be out of the league of doctors and nurses.

We should have a relationship with our doctor that is such that we can ask the doctor if certain exercises can hurt us. How to do them without hurting us. How we can do them to hurt our "little" fellas. Why doctors? Wouldn’t someone with practical experience be a better teacher, someone that has an interest in the subject – a practitioner?

Unfortunately, most guys don't talk to a doctor about any of this until the doctor says it is time for the prostate test when guys are in their 40's. Urologists or people that have training in this area should be at schools explaining EVERYTHING to guys at appropriate ages. I can’t see how a conversation regarding the prostate with a doctor is going to lead to a discussion on PE; ‘Oh by the way doc, this is my Penemaster; what do you think?’ Um, I’m not so sure it happens that way?. I also note, at last, that doctors and Urologist aside, you now include "people that have training in this area," Would that include say, a spokesman from Thunders Place?

But no, guys get their information from other guys which is usually not completely correct. We have internet sites taking advantage of guys of all ages. i don't know about this site, but...I know about many sites and magazine ads. How do you know the information received is incorrect? You would need to have some form of expertise, which it appears you don’t have, and monitor every scrap of information to arrive at your assumption.

This is an adult site. But, our attitudes about discussing health issues is formed as children and teens, not as adults. Secondly, while we don't allow teens to join, we all know that there are teens that read the threads as guests. "We all know?" Again another assumption. It may be as you say, but I can’t say the same with certainty, and a view that others might well share.

I have no idea how effective these "techniques" are. But common sense and the fact that they aren't well known throughout the male part of society lets me know that in most cases, the gain is marginal. So a guy goes from 5.3 to 5.5. Due to weight, arousal etc, there is some fluctuation so it is difficult to be precise about just how much these "techniques" work. This just demonstrates ignorance in the subject and is contradictory. On the one hand you say you have no idea how effective theses techniques are and then state gains are marginal? You also claim it to be a fact that the effect of these techniques aren’t well known throughout the male part of society, a claim that unless you have carried out a world wide study, is impossible to substantiate. Likewise, if you were to research, you will find some sites dedicated to PE do in fact have standard procedures ruling out variation and measurie progress, exactly!

Some one mentioned diets. I have been on one. So far I have gained six pounds. Water gain. I can see it in my legs. But still, all those rich foods I gave up. Meanwhile, someone else on the same diet loses 10 pounds in the same time period. I can’t for the life of me see what this has to do with PE and related exercises?

I suspect these "techniques" have similar results. Er? Where’s the correlation?

My main concern is that no guy does anything to hurt themselves. If you spend money on something that doesn't work, you are just out the money. Damage your penis, it won't matter what size it is if it won't work anymore. Very commendable, but I don’t think the majority want to see people hurt themselves either. Which is why you’ll find many references among the post here that advice researching and learn as much as possible before embarking on a potentially dangerous pastime. Much as you wouldn’t expect someone to drive a car or jump out of an aeroplane carrying a parachute without prior tuition; the journey might be enjoyable, but coming to a stop could be a bit messy!

One last comment: If our partners have a ruler and need to measure to see if we are worthy as a partner, we don't need that person in our sexual lives. We need to RUN from them as fast as we can as far as sex is concerned.

I won't to be considered as a person, not as a dick. If that is all I am to another person, then I don't need them. I think it’s the mindset that’s the problem; what makes you think guys involve in PE are doing it for the benefit of others? If it were so, with all the dedication and effort involved, I’m inclined to believe not many would bother.

Apart form my comments above I find this post generally confusing; along with the contradictions, there are references to teenagers, guys and adults and not always clear which applies in context? Also, It adds nothing factual to the debate regarding PE, or the book mentioned in the Op. What it is saying, I’m not entirely sure - other than the author being anti PE - if in deed he knows what PE really is?