"A Breeder" WTF?

[2322]

I wasn't insulting the queen. She does wear a gold hat and on occasion rides around in a gold coach. The government pays her to do these things because of what she was born. Further, she possesses, for no other reason than her station of birth, the following rights in government:

• The appointment and dismissal of ministers;
• The dissolution of parliament and the calling of elections;
• Clemency and pardon;
• The award of dignities and honours;
• The declaration of war;
• The declaration of an emergency;
• The grant of Charters of Incorporation;
• The minting of coinage;
• The issue and revocation of passports;
• The expulsion of a foreign national from the United Kingdom;
• The creation of new common law courts;
• The creation of new universities;
• The appointment of bishops and archbishops in the Church of England;
• The printing of the authorised Church of England version of the Bible;
• The publication of all statutes, legislative instruments and Orders-in-Council; existing and new
• The exercise of jurisdiction over numerous Royal foundations of all kinds;
• The appointment of Royal Commissions and Officers for any purposes.
• The choice of the numbering of monarchs (See MacCormick v. Lord Advocate)

Not only does she receive these things but she can choose to pay taxes or not, cannot be sued, needs no license for anything, and has no passport. Now these rights she enjoys but others do not. That places her in a special class unto herself.

The proportional representation peers receive in Lords far exceeds any district represented in commons. There are less than one thousand titled peers but they have 92 representatives in the House of Lords. What riding in the UK gets such proportional representation in Commons? None.

The Lyon Court in Scotland and the College of Arms in England are legally empowered to enforce right of title and arms. This is the government legally enforcing the rights of of a peculiar group of subjects (not citizens) who have these rights for no other reason than their class.

Now reform of Lords has reduced the rights of the peerage but not eliminated them. Until recently, Scottish land law was entirely feudal and up to 1947 a peer could demand that criminal cases against him or her could be held in Lords. Being able to opt out of the court system of your country simply by right of birth is rather shocking to some people. Peers are created (or dissolved) legally by the sovereign, usually (but not always) on advice of her majesty's ministers (they are hers, not the people's). Any lord now who goes to a court or any other government ministry can demand to be given rank when addressed. If the Duke of Westminster wishes to be called, "Your Grace," then so the government employees must address him. Average people might try that but they'll be laughed at.

The rights of peers, while reduced of late, still include:

The right to attend the coronation of the sovereign
The right of precedence
They cannot be arrested for civil crimes
The right to demand an audience with the sovereign

Precedence is an amazingly complex business. This list is just for men alone:
MEN

The Queen
Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh
The Prince of Wales
The Queen's Younger Sons
Dukes of the Blood Royal
Prince Michael of Kent
Vicegerent in Spirituals (vacant since 1540)
Archbishop of Canterbury
Lord Chancellors
Archbishop of York
Prime Minister
Lord High Treasurer (in commission since 1714)
Lord President of the Council
Speaker of the House of Commons
Lord Privy Seal
Ambassadors and High Commissioners in order of seniority based on dates of arrival in the United Kingdom
Lord Great Chamberlain
Lord High Constable (vacant since 1521)
Earl Marshal
Lord High Admiral (in commission since 1828)
Lord Steward of the Household
Lord Chamberlain
Master of the Horse
[Successors of Dukes of the Blood Royal]
Dukes of England
Dukes of Scotland
Dukes of Great Britain
Dukes of Ireland created before 1801 (only the duke of Leinster)
Dukes of the United Kingdom and Dukes of Ireland created after 1800 (only the duke of Abercorn)
Eldest sons of Dukes of the Blood Royal
Marquesses of England
Marquesses of Scotland
Marquesses of Great Britain
Marquesses of Ireland created before 1801
Marquesses of the United Kingdom and Marquesses of Ireland created after 1800
Eldest sons of Dukes not of the Blood Royal
Earls of England
Earls of Scotland
Earls of Great Britain
Earls of Ireland created before 1801
Earls of the United Kingdom and Earls of Ireland created after 1800
Younger sons Dukes of the Blood Royal
Eldest Sons of Marquesses
Younger sons of Dukes not of the Blood Royal
Viscounts of England
Viscounts of Scotland
Viscounts of Great Britain
Viscounts of Ireland created before 1801
Viscounts of the United Kingdom and Viscounts of Ireland created after 1800
Eldest sons of Earls
Younger sons of Marquesses
Bishop of London
Bishop of Durham
Bishop of Winchester
Other English Diocesan Bishops according to their seniority of consecration
Suffragan and retired Bishops
Secretary of State, if a baron
Barons of England
Barons of Scotland
Barons of Great Britain
Barons of Ireland created before 1801
Barons of the United Kingdom, Barons of Ireland created since 1800,
Lords of Appeal in Ordinary and Life Peers according to their dates of appointment or creation
Commissioners of the Great Seal (none except briefly since 1850)
Treasurer of the Household
Comptroller of the Household
Vice-Chamberlain of the Household
Secretary of State, if under the degree of a baron
Eldest sons of Viscounts
Younger sons of Earls
Eldest sons of Barons
Knights of the Garter
Knights of the Thistle
Knights of St Patrick
Privy Councillors
Chancellor of the Order of the Garter (office annexed to the bishopric of Oxford since 1837)
Chancellor of the Exchequer
Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
Lord Chief Justice of England (usually ranks as a PC)
Master of the Rolls (usually ranks as a PC)
President of the Family Division of the High Court (usually ranks as a PC)
Lords Justices of Appeal (usually ranks as a PC)
Judges of the High Court in order of appointment, irrespective of the Divisions to which they are assigned
Younger sons of Viscounts
Younger sons of Barons and sons of Lords of Appeal in Ordinary,
Life Peers and Life Peeresses
Baronets
Knights Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath
Knights Grand Commanders of the Order of the Star of India
Knights Grand Cross of the Order of St Michael and St George
Knights Grand Commanders of the Order of the Indian Empire
Knights Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order
Knights Grand Cross of the Order of the British Empire
Knights Commanders of the Order of the Bath
Knights Commanders of the Order of the Star of India
Knights Commanders of the Order of St Michael and St George
Knights Commanders of the Order of the Indian Empire
Knights Commanders of the Royal Victorian Order
Knights Commanders of the Order of the British Empire
Knights Bachelors
Vice-Chancellor of the County Palatine of Lancaster
Recorder of London
Recorders of Liverpool and Manchester according to priority of appointment
Common Serjeant
Other Circuit judges according to the priority or order of their respective appointments
Master of the Court of Protection
Companions of the Order of the Bath
Companions of the Order of the Star of India
Companions of the Order of St Michael and St George
Companions of the Order of the Indian Empire
Commanders of the Royal Victorian Order
Commanders of the Order of the British Empire
Companions of the Distinguished Service Order
Members of the Royal Victorian Order (4th class)
Officers of the Order of the British Empire
Companions of the Imperial Service Order
Eldest sons of the younger sons of Peers
Eldest sons of Baronets
Eldest sons of Knights
Members of the Royal Victorian Order (5th class)
Members of the Order of the British Empire
Younger sons of Baronets
Younger sons of Knights
All other males in the UK

All of this is set out in law. It's not custom, it's a law. Legally, in the UK, some people outrank others by virtue of birth or appointment. They are elevated in person, not in office. It may be quaint, it may be a nice show, it may even be history, but it is still government enforcement of a class system largely based upon birth. In the UK, some people simply legally outrank others in class.

 

[Principessa]

I think it's a rather mild insult. Still, you won't see me using it. I have no resentment or hatred towards straight people, I simply wish more were accepting of us gays.

I wish that too, Agnslz. As Kathy Griffin says I love my gays!

What I don't understand is why I never see unattractive gays. Do y'all just not allow that or do you kick the ugly ones out and say, "oh no, you need to be with a woman." :biggrin1::tongue::biggrin1: <---- that was sarcasm and not meant to cause anger, hurt feelings, or distress of any sort.

 

[simcha]

I wish that too, Agnslz. As Kathy Griffin says I love my gays!

What I don't understand is why I never see unattractive gays. Do y'all just not allow that or do you kick the ugly ones out and say, "oh no, you need to be with a woman." :biggrin1::tongue::biggrin1: <---- that was sarcasm and not meant to cause anger, hurt feelings, or distress of any sort. We actually send the ugly and infirm gays out to the vast wastelands called, "The Flyover States," and we tell them to be fruitful (that comes quite naturally to them) and multiply (that's a bit more of a challenge to them). Then it just all comes down to Darwinism, you know, "the survival of the fittest." Straight women reject the absolute rejects and they get bred out of the gene pool, left to die a slow agonizing death in ditches on the side of roads.

We of the Gay Mafia make sure you straight women do our bidding by rejecting the true rejects and reproducing with the ones that have a chance to produce beautiful and fabulous gay children. Just remember, we're watching you. :biggrin1::tongue::biggrin1:

:wink:

 

[Drifterwood]

It's called a crown, Jason.

You are welcome to misunderstand the real workings of my country for whatever agenda you want. But the fact is that we have a Parliamentary Democracy, with a nominal head of state who comes from a hereditary constitutional monarchy. It's a system, it's not perfect maybe, but then nor is Presidential Republicanism as is being clearly demonstrated. :tongue:

To hark back to something that hasn't existed since 1947 is more ridiculous than me sayng that the US operates a form of racist apartheid because black people aren't allowed on certain seats in a bus. Sheesh.

 

[nudeyorker]

I have heard this phrase commonly bandied about for about the last 20 some odd years, I've never used the phrase myself. I find it insulting the same as other phrases that I am not apart of that group and don't apply to me.
Mahalo!

 

[B_All4show]

What I don't understand is why I never see unattractive gays.

I have rarely seen a good looking female lesbian except for in pornos.

There are plenty homely gays, but one factor is that many gays may be considered good looking is that one strong characteristic of homosexuality is narcissism.

 

[Willy_the_Wonka]

I wish that too, Agnslz. As Kathy Griffin says I love my gays!

What I don't understand is why I never see unattractive gays. Do y'all just not allow that or do you kick the ugly ones out and say, "oh no, you need to be with a woman." :biggrin1::tongue::biggrin1: <---- that was sarcasm and not meant to cause anger, hurt feelings, or distress of any sort.

It's a selective breeding program.


:34'oh!



:twak:

:headache:

 

[2322]

I fear I have been misunderstood.

I am not misunderstanding the real workings of your country. I am aware there is a parliamentary democracy and if I were forced to move to the UK, be assured I wouldn't feel much worse for it. There are many things to admire about the parliamentary system as it has developed in the UK. How I wish we had no-confidence votes! The monarch is not entirely nominal. She still retains the prerogatives I have lately enumerated. Yes she owns all ths swans but after the Profumo scandal she also chose the new Prime Minister when the MacMillan government collapsed and he later resigned. In that instance, Alec Douglas-Home, then Earl Home, contested the by-election and became Prime Minister on the appointment of the Queen on the advice of the outgoing MacMillan. She wasn't required by any law to follow MacMillan's advice. She could have chosen anyone, however the UK got lucky in QE2 and she acted as she was advised. Nonetheless, a hereditary monarch chose a hereditary aristocrat to be Prime Minister of the UK.

What I am pointing out is not a misunderstanding, it's actual. The 1999 reform of Lords and the land reform scheme in Scotland have done much to mitigate the influence of the peerage. Whether this is good or not, I cannot say. It is an issue internal to your country. You also cannot deny that that there is a legally-recognized class system in the UK.

If you and your fellow countrymen like that system then by all means keep it! It's no skin off my back. How you do things on your side of the pond is your business. I like the queen. She's a nice lady. I've actually met and dined with her at an East India Club dinner. I think history has proven she's very good at being a monarch within the UK system. There is no ill will or animosity. I am simply pointing out a fact which to me, as an American, is antithetical to my belief system. Certainly our system does not treat all people equally though our constitution demands it. Some people here are more equal than others, our justice system is biased sometimes, our laws are not as fair as they should be. I do not claim our system is perfect but I do believe that the best government is one where all people are equal before the law.

It's called a crown, Jason.

You are welcome to misunderstand the real workings of my country for whatever agenda you want. But the fact is that we have a Parliamentary Democracy, with a nominal head of state who comes from a hereditary constitutional monarchy. It's a system, it's not perfect maybe, but then nor is Presidential Republicanism as is being clearly demonstrated. :tongue:

To hark back to something that hasn't existed since 1947 is more ridiculous than me sayng that the US operates a form of racist apartheid because black people aren't allowed on certain seats in a bus. Sheesh.

 

[sbeBen]

Can we call you People Polluters?

You write that str8s have thousands of insulting names and "breeders" offends you. Go sit in the corner with your Binky.

What's a "Binky"?

 

[Willy_the_Wonka]

:biggrin1:


It's a baby pacifier.

 

[sbeBen]

:biggrin1:


It's a baby pacifier.

Hey thanks! Love the link! We call them dummies:biggrin1:

 

[dannymawg]

Hmf... five pages and no mention of Kim Deal?

The Breeders - Cannonball

Kim once pinched my butt and then asked to bum a cigarette

 

[Mr. Snakey]

I am probably showing my naivety here, but I just read a post from a gay guy using this term. I may have misread his tone, but frankly, I find it pretty fucking offensive.

Yes yes, the hetero community has thousands of insulting names for homosexuals, but are there any other disparaging generic terms for Str8 people?

Actually Straight isn't that great either.

Is a Breeder a keeper?

 

[Drifterwood]

I do not claim our system is perfect but I do believe that the best government is one where all people are equal before the law.

But Jason, the only thing I remember you saying about UK law was that a Duke could insist on being called Your Grace. It doesn't affect the way anyone would be treated by a court. Habeas Corpus :smile:

The UK is littered with Titled Nouveau Pauvre. I can't remember who said it, but a Title is really only good for getting tables at busy restaurants.

 

[dcwrestlefan]

i consider "breeder" to be offensive. don't use it. return hate with hate? nah. and not something i hear in my circle of friends. all are welcome.
we like our straight bros and women and lesbians.

would i call rush limbaugh or pat robertson a nasty name? fuckin A i would.

 

[B_Hung Jon]

When a straight person is called a breeder, I always got the impression the intention was derogatory. It's implied that they are breeding for the sake of breeding-lot's of unruley out of control children screaming and running wild in public. Or, a promiscuous female whose children were fathered by different men. Or, a gay male choosing to live as a straight person and having children to hide his true orientation. The term by its nature seems to imply that heterosexuality is chosen and homosexuality is the norm in some contexts. It's never a term I used because it's too ambiguous and could be seen as complimentary by a bigoted hetero(of course I'm a breeder, I'm the one that's normal).

I think this is similar to the way I've heard this term used to describe heterosexuals except that I thought it refers to people who are mindless about having kids or who do it not because they really want and plan to have them but because it just happens. Like just pump them out without thinking about the consequences. I know lesbians and gay guys who think that many heterosexuals are lower life forms. It's such a twist on prejudice. I think it's true that it stems from ignorance and fear of others.

 

[Whopper-lee]

I am probably showing my naivety here, but I just read a post from a gay guy using this term. I may have misread his tone, but frankly, I find it pretty fucking offensive.

Yes yes, the hetero community has thousands of insulting names for homosexuals, but are there any other disparaging generic terms for Str8 people?

Actually Straight isn't that great either.

**********************************************************
WOW ! Learn something new every day!
After reading some of the posts, I never knew or understood the term "breeder" with ref. to gay or straight.
However, I will say, that back during the days of black-slavery here in Am.
some black males were often marketed & sold on the slave-blocks, forced to mate "breed" for strong black children on the plantations for our masters. The black females as well.
This is how more of my family got here.
My great grandpa was a "breeder" said to have father over 30 some kids.
He was kept alive just for that purpose; and punished or beat if he didn't.
He was even placed on loan to other plantations to breed like some horse or animal.
Many black-male plantation field hands hated the black-male slave breeders cause the master use to keep them seperate from them; even pulling some of their field women to be serviced by the breeder in front of them.
Offensive.... yes, somewhat, but it happened. And right today, we call one of my uncles the "breeder" in our family...he gots 17 kids living and not counting 2 deceased. He don't get upset...more of us do...that's how we got here.
Guess I'm just missing something with this thread and the relationship to this gay & staright thing. Guess I'm too much from old school thinking and dating myself.
As joejack #2 post said...it actually comes from the study of animal husbandry....common to farm life or country living.
Sorry if I sound dumb; but just what I understand in my way.