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A fine analysis of the current misinformation campaign

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Wow, that guy is hitting the panic button, eh?

I agree that some of the stuff that Beck and Palin come up with is kinda 'out there.'

But if this guy is so relentless in his pursuit of the truth, I wonder why he hasn't caught on to any of the lies/misinformation that have come about from our CIC?

I'm wondering which of the two divergent worlds this guy Schweitzer belongs to.
 
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You should identify the lie(s) you're referring to. You're making an assertion that you have not defended.

I've listed dozens of them in other threads. I don't want to take this one off on a tangent. The author is having a fit about the underwear bomber vs. Richard Reid and suggest that the 'right' is creating a make-believe world which people are buying in to.

That phenonenon - getting people to buy into a load of horseshit - is the very strategy by which the POTUS erected his presidential campaign, i.e., closing Gitmo, pulling out of Iraq, televising debates on bills, 'shovel ready jobs,' and so on. A fabrication/misinformation world - in which he engaged an entire group of sheep in order to achieve his political goal.

It is no different than the 'ploy' that Schweitzer proclaims to be so enraged about. Only....since Beck/Palin's ploy promotes the ideology of the right, it is 'foul play.' Obama did exactly the same thing; however, the self-righteous harbinger of morality, Mr. Schweitzer, is suspiciously forgiving/forgetful of that minor detail.

I think its a joke that people believe some of the BS that Beck and Palin spew. It is no different than the same phenomenon occuring on the left.
 

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Without being drug into a distractive discussion about the validity of the previous poster's usual laundry list of perceived 'lies' - I would just like to point out that he is comparing what he perceives as yet unfulfilled campaign promises to lies about constitutional underpinnings that threaten the very framework of our democracy.


In other words, comparing apples to horseshit.
 
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is comparing what he perceives as yet unfulfilled campaign promises to lies about constitutional underpinnings that threaten the very framework of our democracy.


In other words, comparing apples to horseshit.

Is that what that is? Unfulfilled campaign promises?

Televising bills on C*Span - instead holding closed-door meetings in which republicans are shut out? That's an unfulfulled promise? When was he planning on instituting this, in the last month of his term?

Pulling out of Iraq? Yes, I'm sure that sometime in the next century we will eventually pull out of Iraq. Unfulfilled promise I'm sure.

Closing Gitmo? How's that going, Max?

"I will keep lobbyists out of the White House." Is that an unfulfilled promise, Max? The Cabinet is chock-full of former lobbyists. Will he fire and re-staff those positions soon in order to fulfull that promise?

"No more earmarks." How's that unfulfilled promise going, Max? The last bill had thousands of earmarks. Will this promise be fulfilled with the next bill?


Put a sock in it.
 

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From Schweitzer:

"How do we argue with a castle in the sky? This invention, this malleable reality, this invisible straw man, gives the GOP enormous advantage in the battle for truth because they simply redefine truth as a matter of convenience to fit the need of the moment. . . . They create their own reality out of thin air; and then their followers accept the new version as gospel."
 
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Wow, that guy is hitting the panic button, eh?

I agree that some of the stuff that Beck and Palin come up with is kinda 'out there.'

But if this guy is so relentless in his pursuit of the truth, I wonder why he hasn't caught on to any of the lies/misinformation that have come about from our CIC?

I'm wondering which of the two divergent worlds this guy Schweitzer belongs to.

Poor Starpooper:

The author is clearly interested in the actual reality, the one based on truth and reasoning and not the other one of Cheney-Palin-Beck Orwellian double-speak.

If you actually read the article, you should have paid closer attention. Not only is it an OpEd piece, it is also a well-written, concise essay. The author:
  • introduces a premise/thesis
  • enlarges upon it with specific definitions
  • presents arguments to support his thesis
  • backs up his arguments with clear examples
  • presents two summaries of two different outcomes: 1. truth based on reason, or 2. lies based on fabrication and make-believe.

Uh. . . what part of that didn't you get?
 
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Poor Starpooper:

The author is clearly interested in the actual reality, the one based on truth and reasoning and not the other one of Cheney-Palin-Beck Orwellian double-speak.


If you actually read the article, you should have paid closer attention. Not only is it an OpEd piece, it is also a well-written, concise essay. The author:
  • introduces a premise/thesis
  • enlarges upon it with specific definitions
  • presents arguments to support his thesis
  • backs up his arguments with clear examples
  • presents two summaries of two different outcomes: 1. truth based on reason, or 2. lies based on fabrication and make-believe.
Uh. . . what part of that didn't you get?

I didn't get why his expose'/dissertation omitted The Great Misinformer's existence in the world of fabrication and make-believe.:smile:
 

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I didn't get why his expose'/dissertation omitted The Great Misinformer's existence in the world of fabrication and make-believe.:smile:
Drinking too much NeoCon Kool-Aid has that effect on the brain.

I suggest you dry out.
 

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I didn't get why his expose'/dissertation omitted The Great Misinformer's existence in the world of fabrication and make-believe.:smile:

Ah, then you're referring to that imaginary friend of yours, the one you rail, vent, and snort about while licking the buttocks of of Cheney-Palin-Beck. Yes, that makes perfect sense. I forgot for a moment that you're part of the magical political unicorn movement. :smile:
 
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Ah, then you're referring to that imaginary friend of yours, the one you rail, vent, and snort about while licking the buttocks of of Cheney-Palin-Beck. Yes, that makes perfect sense. I forgot for a moment that you're part of the magical political unicorn movement. :smile:

K.:smile:
 

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That phenonenon - getting people to buy into a load of horseshit - is the very strategy by which the POTUS erected his presidential campaign, i.e., closing Gitmo, pulling out of Iraq, televising debates on bills, 'shovel ready jobs,' and so on. A fabrication/misinformation world - in which he engaged an entire group of sheep in order to achieve his political goal.
Huh? I guess after having the most secretive president our country has ever seen, it must be confusing to see Obama attempt to be transparent in his actions. Is Gitmo closed? Not yet, but it's the stated goal. Pulling out of Iraq? Soon. Televising debates on bills? Oh my! Transparency! Demonstrates that the GOP can't defend its position on whatever the issue is and is acting in bad faith. Shovel ready-jobs? I'm watching highway construction take place that is funded by the stimulus. If you're going to take shots at the president, at least base your arguments on things you can demonstrate that the rest of can't easily dismiss.
 
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Huh? I guess after having the most secretive president our country has ever seen, it must be confusing to see Obama attempt to be transparent in his actions. Is Gitmo closed? Not yet, but it's the stated goal. Pulling out of Iraq? Soon. Televising debates on bills? Oh my! Transparency! Demonstrates that the GOP can't defend its position on whatever the issue is and is acting in bad faith. Shovel ready-jobs? I'm watching highway construction take place that is funded by the stimulus. If you're going to take shots at the president, at least base your arguments on things you can demonstrate that the rest of can't easily dismiss.

You didn't dismiss anything.

Gitmo opened indefinitely.
Still in Iraq for as long as the eye can see.
No debates have been televised.
Shovel-ready jobs my ass. Unemployment over 10%, heading higher. The construction jobs you are seeing aren't a result of the stimulus.
What about lobbyists in the WH?
What about no earmarks?
 

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You know I hate doing your laundry, but I'll work in this one little item.

Current unemployment rate in the U.S. - 9.7% and dropping.

U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics





Please provide your own citations. We hate doing your homework too.
 
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I am reminded of the boy who cried wolf.

The Republicans have told so many egregious lies that it's got to the point that I no longer listen; I almost assume that everything they say is a lie.

I'm white, but I happily voted for Obana. As a thinking man, I don't agree with everything he has said and done and, like everyone else, he's made a few mistakes, but on the whole, I think that he's been a good president so far. Had he been white, probably he'd have got 60% of the votes instead of 51%. It's too soon to tell, but it may be that in the future, we will look back and see him as one of the best presidents we've had.
 

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^You're being far too realistic in your assessment... The wingnuts would attack you right now for doing so, but they're too busy trying to get their heads to stop spinning at the moment.
 

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There is one thing on which they are right: Obama was born in Kenya.

When Obama decided to run for president, he realized that, because he was born in Kenya, the constitution made him illegible. So, he had an aid use a time machine to go back in time and change newspaper records so that it would look as though he'd been born in Hawaii. Clever, wasn't it? And he got away with it!!
 

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You didn't dismiss anything.
Actually, he did. Your comparison would only be valid if Obama were stating an alternate reality as fact. Not his promise to close Gitmo and it remaining open, but if he left it opened and claimed later he had never promised to close it or had closed it already. That is the Gitmo equivalent to what is being done by the GOP.
Gitmo opened indefinitely.
Actually they are in the process of trying to put all of the prisoners somewhere. It'll sort itself out. And it would help if the GOP would stop campaigning to keep it open.
Think Progress Steele Hypocritically Criticizes Obama For Having Yet To Close Guantanamo Bay
Still in Iraq for as long as the eye can see.
Actually we have a stated date of withdrawal from Iraq. We will no longer have a combat role in Iraq by Aug 31, 2010, and about 30k-40k troops will stay in an advisory role, leaving by December 31, 2011.
Obama sets date to end Iraq combat mission - Conflict in Iraq- msnbc.com
No debates have been televised.
Nope, but plenty of mudslinging back and forth. Look at the crap that has been shoveled by the GOP lately. They have only criticism of any Democratic policy rather than alternative suggestions of their own, because it is easier to criticize than create. Has it occurred to you that the Republicans might be dodging debate because they know they'd get skewered in a direct confrontation? What great debates can you tell us about that have been denied coverage?
Shovel-ready jobs my ass. Unemployment over 10%, heading higher. The construction jobs you are seeing aren't a result of the stimulus.
This sorely tempts me to take my digital camera, drive a mile from my house, take a picture of the sign by the road construction which proudly states that it is made possible by the Economic Recovery Act, and return to post it here. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
What about lobbyists in the WH?
That was covered a mere couple of months after Obama took office. He wanted no lobbyists, then he realized that the lobbyists were also the most competent, because they had all of the experience in the political jobs. So, in an attempt at pragmatism, he compromised and made the rule that lobbyists could not work in any field which they had lobbied in the past two years.
Chris Kelly: Obama Lobbyist Rule Doesn't Apply to Lobbyists: Obama
What about no earmarks?
He never stated that he was going to abolish earmarks. He said earmarks needed to be reformed. It would be foolish to do away with earmarks, because you would not be able to direct spending in any one area. If you wanted to direct $100 million, for example to create jobs in an ailing job sector, you couldn't do that without an earmark. You'd have to direct the money to the states and just hope they spent it that way. It's a Republican talking point that government cannot run anything efficiently, but that kind of reform being passed is what would make them right.
Lawmakers pushing for earmark reform think Obama boosted their chances - TheHill.com-
Also, he publicly endorsed an amendment to earmark reform proposed by Republican senator Jim DeMint after it was shot down on the senate floor (Not just Democrats to blame here, the vote was 79-21). And who says Obama isn't being bipartisan?
Obama: No earmarks for 2009 - CNN.com
 

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^I don't know why you wasted your time.. if he returns to this thread at all, it will be to deny or oppose everything you just wrote in one way or another, and then ridicule you for it.
 

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^ Star is better than that now. He' turned off Hannity and started watching Maddow.

Also, he's my bitch. :smile:
 

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^I don't know why you wasted your time.. if he returns to this thread at all, it will be to deny or oppose everything you just wrote in one way or another, and then ridicule you for it.
I don't respond to bs spouting trolls because I think they're going to change their opinions, I respond to them so anyone who is reading won't mistakenly think of their ignored points as "dropped" points. Sorry, it's an old debate reflex. Seriously though, if anyone was on the fence on the subject, read the post I responded to, and then saw no rebuttal, they might think it was true.
 

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^Fair enough... And with that, let's all kneel together and pray that nobody is actually that dumb. :biggrin1:





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